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要想在飞钓上真正进阶，从每次下水只能钓到几条鱼，到对自己的操作充满信心，到底需要做到什么？
What does it really take to level up as a fly angler to go from catching a few fish every time you're on the water to actually feeling confident about what you're doing?
你需要成为绑钩大师，或者成为静水钓鱼的专家吗？
Do you need to become a master fly tyre, an expert on fishing still water?
你必须把小溪和大河的所有门道都摸透吗？
Do you have to learn all the ins and outs of small creeks and big rivers?
你需要去解读亨利斯福克花岗岩巨石上的铭文吗？那些铭文据说包含了人类所有关于干蝇钓的知识。
Do you need to decipher the inscriptions on the granite boulders at the Henry's Fork that contain all knowledge about dry fly fishing ever bestowed to man?
你需要做到所有这些，甚至更多吗？
Do you need to do all of that and then even more?
说实话，你需要的只是在水边的时间。
Honestly, what you need is time on the water.
只要你清楚自己在找什么，那就是最好的老师。
That's the best teacher out there so long as you know what you're looking for.
本周的《Untangled》节目中，我们将继续推出《日常钓手》系列，这次请来了我的好朋友海勒姆·韦弗。
This week on Untangled, we're continuing our Everyday Angler series with my good buddy, Hyrum Weaver.
他是我见过的最会钓鱼的人之一。
He's one of the fishiest guys I've ever met.
如果有人能帮你搞清楚怎么迈出下一步，那就是他。
If there's anyone I trust to help you figure out how to take that next step, it's him.
这里是Untangled，人人可玩的飞钓。
This is Untangled, fly fishing for everyone.
由Ventures Fly Co.呈现。
Presented by Ventures Fly Co.
嘿，大家好。
Well, hey, everybody.
欢迎收听。
Welcome to it.
这里是Untangled。
This is Untangled.
我是主持人Spencer Durant，本周和我一起的是独一无二的Hyrum Weaver。
I'm your host, Spencer Durant, and I am joined this week by the one and only Hyrum Weaver.
你好。
Hello.
你们好吗？
How are you guys?
我很高兴能来这里。
I'm excited to be here.
顺便说一句，我超级喜欢这个。
I'm super I love this, by the way.
哇，这真是太酷了。
Well, This is freaking dope.
我们一直在努力，兄弟。
We we've been trying, man.
对。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
我是说，这有点像那种特别酷的工作室的愿景，兄弟。
I mean, this is kinda like the vision of a really cool studio, man.
所以我挺喜欢的。
So I like it.
嗯，谢谢夸奖。
Well, I appreciate it.
不过我觉得，要成为正式的飞钓工作室，你得在地上撒一堆羽毛和乱七八糟的东西。
I think you to be an official flytire though, you need a bunch of feathers and crap all over the floor.
对。
Yeah.
我们迟早会弄的。
We're working on it at some point.
不过我把所有野鸡尾巴都偷走了。
I I'd stole all the pheasant tails, though.
问题就在这，因为我需要它们。
That's the problem because I needed them.
你知道，它们能存在一百多年是有原因的。
Well, you know, there's a reason they've been around for over a hundred years.
对。
Yeah.
你知道，人们就是喜欢这种羽毛。
You know, people people like calf
野鸡毛，这是个好飞蝇。
pheasant It's a good fly.
这是个好飞蝇。
It's a good fly.
天哪。
Man.
不。
No.
如果你一直是《Untangled》的老听众，我讲过几个故事。
If you've been a longtime listener of Untangled, I've told a few stories
好的。
Okay.
在播客里聊过和Hyrum一起钓鱼的事。
About Fishing with Hyrum on the podcast.
好的。
Okay.
所以，后来你
So like, you later
你知道，同意了吗？
you know, approved?
我觉得
I don't think
没什么尴尬的。
it was anything embarrassing.
大部分时候都是，他在金字塔湖把我打败了，或者有一次他教我怎么弄，结果我还是输给他了。
Mostly it's been like, he kicked my butt at Pyramid Lake or the one time he showed me how to do this and he kicked my butt at it.
而且反复出现的主题就是，他钓到鱼了，我没钓到。
And the the recurring theme is like, he caught fish and I didn't.
所以通常都是这样，通常都是这样。
So that's usually and that's usually how it's gone.
嗯，我钓鱼的时间比大多数人都长一点。
Well, I've I've been doing it a little bit longer than most people.
就长一点。
Just a bit.
对。
Yeah.
我们认识多久了？
I've known how long have we known each other now?
天哪。
Jeez.
大概是从EFC开始的吧。
It's been probably because it was at EFC.
对吧？
Right?
对。
Yeah.
那是很久以前的事了。
Way back in the day.
所以是说2014年？
So we're talking 2014?
2015年？
2015?
对。
Yeah.
差不多吧。
Something like that.
是的。
Yeah.
差不多就在那段时间。
Somewhere around there.
十一、十二年了，差不多吧。
Eleven, twelve years, something Yeah.
差不多吧。
Something like that.
我们认识也有一阵子了。
We've been around for a minute Yeah.
而且很快就成了朋友。
And instantly became friends.
对。
Yeah.
你知道吗，我进来的时候看到你，我还记得当时低头看到你的腰带，是一条鳟鱼腰带，我当时就想。
You know, I saw that you were when I walked in, I I still remember looking down at your belt and you had a trout belt and I was like
好吧。
Alright.
你知道什么最尴尬吗？
You wanna know what's embarrassing?
是什么？
What's that?
我还在戴那条皮带。
I'm still wearing that belt.
真的吗？
Is it really?
对。
Yeah.
但你看它都破成什么样了。
But look how tore up it is.
我老婆一直跟我说，你得换一条新的了。
My wife keeps telling me, you need a new one.
但我觉得，这条挺好的。
But, like, this one's fine.
嗯，就像当你
Well, it's like when you
钓到大海鲢的时候，你得有一条海鲢皮带。
get a tarpon, you gotta get a tarpon belt.
对吧？
Right?
所以我会，我会
So like I'll I'll
慢慢来。
get there eventually.
好笑的是，我其实从来没戴过它，但你知道，我第一次去基斯群岛就钓到了一条又大又漂亮的海鲢，特别酷，然后买了这条皮带，但从来没戴过。
What's funny is I've never actually worn it, but, you know, I've I went down to The Keys and caught a nice big tarpon on my first trip down, you know, which is super cool, and bought the belt, never worn it.
但我有它。
But I got it.
你得戴啊。
You need to.
所以你该穿那条腰带，因为我去的时候被虐得很惨。
So You need to wear it because I went and got my butt kicked.
这又是我跟海勒姆聊天时反复出现的话题。
So which again, recurring theme anytime I talk with Hyrum.
我那边有个特别厉害的家伙。
Well, I've got a heck of a guy down there.
他简直是个钓鱼狂人。
He's like that dude is so fishy.
厉害得吓人。
It's scary.
他抽烟抽得特别凶。
He smokes like a chimney.
对。
Yeah.
我是说
I mean
就是那种人。
One of those dudes.
我说的是十四世纪那种烟囱，那时候那是唯一取暖的方式。
And I'm talking like in 14 hundreds chimney where that's like the only way to heat your house.
你知道的，对。
You know I'm Yep.
我是说，那个……
I mean, the
那家伙其实有次在蒙大拿给我当向导，我就是那么认识他的。
dude would he was actually my guide up in Montana one time too, and that's how I met him.
那是在麦迪逊河，五十英里的那段急流。
And it was on the Madison, the 50 mile Riffle.
对吧？
Right?
对。
Yeah.
他真的是用上一根烟屁股点下一根烟，就这样一直抽。
And he was literally lighting the next cigarette with the butt of his last Just
一根接一根地抽，真是的。
chain smoking like And a son of a
不管我怎么洗，两个星期身上都一股保龄球馆的味儿。
I smell like a bowling alley for like two weeks, no matter how much I share.
但那天我们钓了好多鱼。
But we caught so many fish that day.
我们用的是那种三钩的浮漂组合，你懂的。
We were throwing like triple hopper rigs, you know.
简直太疯狂了。
It was bananas.
所以，嗯，
So Well,
你们这次海鲢之旅天气好吗？
did you have good weather for your tarpon trip?
是的。
Yes.
就是
It
就是那个让我们失败的，天气很糟糕，风很大，一直阴天。
was that's what did us in is it was stormy, it was blowing, it was overcast the whole time.
所以你真的看不清，没法钓他。
So you couldn't really see to fish for him.
所以那才是最主要的原因。
So that that was what did us in more than anything.
我们最大的问题是反光太厉害，因为阴天，你看不清水里。
The biggest problem we had was tons of reflection because it was cloudy, and so you couldn't see into the water.
所以他只能看到里面。
So he could only see into it.
对。
Yep.
他叫迈克·波洛克，是个超棒的向导。
And his name is Mike Pollock, heck of a guide.
总之，他只要说，你知道，三点钟方向，七点钟方向，80英尺，90英尺，我就直接指过去。
Anyway, and literally I'd point my rod because he'd say, you know, 03:00, you know, 07:00, 80 feet, 90 feet,
110
a 110
英尺，然后我就干脆，因为我觉得他的时钟和我的有点对不上，或者我的和他的对不上，我就直接指过去，然后这样比划。
feet, you And type of I would just finally, because his I think his clock was a little off compared to my clock, or maybe my clock was a little off compared to his clock, And I'd just point, and I'd go like this.
他就说，那儿。
And he's like, there.
然后我就使劲扔出去，你知道，需要多远就扔多远。
And I chuck it as hard, you know, whatever distance was needed.
然后，对，我们就在马奎萨斯群岛附近，我钓到了一条110磅的大鱼。
And, yeah, we were just off of the Marquesas when I caught a 110 pound tarp.
太棒了。
That's awesome.
那是估算的。
That's the estimate.
我是说，它比我的手臂还长，而我身高六英尺。
I mean, it's it was longer than my arms, and I'm six feet tall.
对。
Yeah.
我年轻的时候是。
I used to be in my youth.
对。
Yeah.
但我的手臂没变短，你知道，只是我背驼了，个子矮了，所以，对。
But my arms haven't shortened, you know, it's just I've gotten shorter with my back, you know, so Yeah.
我不需要像以前那样仰视你了。
I don't have to look up to you as much.
在比喻意义上我还是仰视你，但在字面意义上不用了。你太客气了。
I still do metaphorically, but I don't have to look up literally like I'm You're being kind.
不是。
No.
我是认真的，兄弟。
I'm dead serious, man.
确实有一份候选名单。
It's there is a shortlist of people.
我们刚开始做《每日钓客》这个系列的时候，我就列了一份想邀请上节目的人。
When we started this Everyday Angler series, there's shortlist people I want on the show.
你就在名单上，因为我们一起去过金字塔湖，我亲眼看着你在那儿钓上来一条15磅的鳟鱼。
You were on it because, you know, I we've been out Pyramid Lake together, and I've watched you catch 15 pound trout there.
对。
Mhmm.
这个我们待会儿再聊，但海勒姆还声称他在21世纪从来没空手而归过。
And we'll get into this later, but Hyrum also claims he has not been skunked in the twenty first century.
这个我们回头再说。
We'll talk about that later.
我觉得这更多靠的是毅力和决心，而不是别的。
Well, I think that's a lot more grit and determination than anything else.
不过话说回来，
But still,
我觉得这本身就是一种本事。
I mean, that's a skill in and of itself.
对吧？
Right?
愿意坚持到底。
Being willing to grind it out.
对。
Mhmm.
而且我们一起钓鱼的时候，真的有很多美好的时光。
And but we we just had a lot of good times together fishing whole bunch.
有一整晚在爱达荷州，我们被猫头鹰俯冲轰炸。
There was a whole night we got dive bombed by owls in Idaho.
在
On the
去大迷失河的路上。
way to the Big Lost.
对。
Yeah.
兄弟，那真是太疯狂了。
Dude, that was bananas.
我觉得那是我经历过的最疯狂的夜晚之一。
I would one of the craziest nights I think I've ever had.
所以那都是美好的时光，你知道的，你在钓鱼。
So it's just a lot of good times, and you you know you're fishing.
所以我真的很想把那种感觉带进来。
So I really wanna bring that in.
但海勒姆不仅仅是个钓鱼的人。
But Hyrum's not just a fisherman.
他还是个爸爸。
He's also dad.
你有三个孩子。
You got three kids.
对吧？
Right?
对。
Yeah.
我真的很喜欢其中两个。
I really like two of them.
你知道吗？
You know?
而且这也会变，你知道，因为两个是女孩，而且
And that too does change, you know, based on because two are girls and
对。
Yeah.
你知道吗？
You know?
总有一个孩子不受待见，对吧？
One's always in the doghouse?
哦，算是吧。
Oh, well, kind of.
对。
Yeah.
但他现在年纪大些了。
But he's older now.
不是。
No.
我开玩笑的。
I'm kidding.
不是。
No.
我也很爱他。
I I love him too.
其实，我觉得他这个周末就要订婚了。
In fact, I think he's gonna be getting engaged this weekend.
哦，为他高兴。
Oh, for him.
所以，是的。
So yeah.
为他高兴。
Good for him.
对我们来说也是好事。
That's so good for us too.
对。
Yeah.
因为现在他不再是你的麻烦了。
Because now he's not your problem anymore.
比如我们去年搬出去了，但你知道，这样就更容易说，抱歉，我们家不够大，容不下你们所有人。
Like, we moved out last year, but you know, like, makes it a lot easier to be like, sorry, our house isn't big enough for y'all too.
对。
Yeah.
哦。
Oh.
我开玩笑的。
I'm kidding.
我爱
I love
他爱得要命，但是
him to death, but
你不是全职做飞钓的吧。
You you don't do fly fishing full time.
那不是你的全职工作。
That's not your full time gig.
你断断续续地做过向导。
You've guided off and on.
对。
Yeah.
比如，我以前在帕克城的一个牧场做全职向导，后来牧场被卖了，你知道的。
Like, I was a full time guide for a ranch up in Park City before it got sold, you know Yeah.
在疫情期间卖给了出价最高的人。
To the highest bidder during COVID.
我以前还给巴克指挥官他们做过向导。
And I used to guide for like the Buck Commanders Yep.
你知道的，他们来的时候。
You know, whenever they'd come up.
而且，那件事最酷的地方是，我都不知道能不能提他们的名字，但我觉得保密协议应该已经过期了。
And like, the cool thing about that, and I don't even know if I can use their name, but you know, I think the NDIs are older over now.
实际上，我很确定，因为那家公司已经被卖了。
Actually, I'm pretty sure because the company was sold.
对。
Yeah.
我以前在一家叫Big Dutch Outfitters的公司，我是那里的首席向导。
I used to be a company called Big Dutch Outfitters, and I was their head guide up there.
然后呢，Buck Commanders那些人会来，他们早上和晚上打猎。
And so what would happen is, you know, the Buck Commanders would come in and they they hunt in the morning and the evening.
对吧？
Right?
但白天一整天我都陪着他们。
But all day I had them.
所以连续八个小时，你知道，Adam LaRoche简直是超级能聊的那种人。
So for like eight hours straight, it was you know, Adam LaRoche is like one of the freaking fishiest dudes.
对。
Yeah.
在那儿大家都叫他Roachie。
You know, called him Roachie out there.
他真的很厉害。
He he was amazing.
Ryan Langerhans也是一样。
Ryan Langerhans was the same way.
Willie人也超好，但他就是想去那个大鱼塘钓大鱼，你懂的。
Willie was super cool too, but he just wanted to come down to the trophy pond and catch trophy fish, you know.
我之前跟你一起在那个大鱼塘钓过几次鱼，结果跑了好多鱼。
And I fished that trophy pond with you a couple That of was I lost a lot of fish.
所以又是老样子。
So once again, recurring theme.
你知道的，我没钓到，但Hyrum钓到了。
You know, I didn't catch it, but Hyrum did.
对。
Yeah.
你在那儿可别用五号的线。
You don't wanna be throwing five x there.
那当然。
That's for sure.
不是吧。
No.
唉，而且那会儿我正好处在只能用小鱼型飞蝇的阶段，真不巧。
Well, and I that was in my you gotta fish small flies era too, unfortunately.
不过有意思的是，我学绑饵是因为我绑不出那种像鱼食一样的飞蝇。
So But it's funny because I learned how to tie because I couldn't tie like a a fish food fly.
你懂我的意思吧？
You know what I'm saying?
我管它叫颗粒飞蝇？
I called A pellet fly?
棕色甲虫，你懂的，给它加上几条腿，看起来差不多像那么回事就行。
Brown beetle, you Like, so put a couple legs on it, made it look modeled enough.
还有迈克·米勒，他也是个特别好的人。
And and Mike Miller, he's he's, a really good dude too.
他，迈克·米勒，那个火鸡杀手。
He Mike Miller, the turkey killer.
总之，他真的很棒。
Anyway, he was awesome.
所以那段时间我大概做了五年的向导。
So I guided for like five years there during that time frame.
虽然不是全年都在做，但大部分秋天都在。现在我还是会带客户，但只接受推荐。
And it wasn't a 100% of the time, but it was in a good majority of the fall every So and I still take out clients, but it's referral only.
对。
Yeah.
而且因为现在主要的工作是副业，所以我想我的主要副业就是飞钓。
And because, you know, the main gig now that's on the side, so I guess it's my main side gig is fly on the fly.
是的。
Yep.
你知道吗？
You know?
所以我们做飞钓服装这类东西。
And so we do like fly fishing apparel and that type of thing.
对。
Yeah.
而且你刚给我，我是说，你刚给我这顶漂亮的新帽子，我们让镜头拉近看看。
And you just brought me I mean, you just brought me this beautiful new hat and we'll have the camera zoom in on this.
这帽子真好看，而且你知道，我确实需要换一顶，因为我现在这顶脏得不行。
But gorgeous looking hat and, you know, obviously, I need a replacement because this thing is dirtier than sin.
简直就像我砌了堵墙似的。
It's almost like I built wall or something.
对吧？
Right?
在里面干了什么活儿。
Did something in it.
所以是的，你们的帽子很棒。
So yeah, you got great hats.
你那边也有防晒衫。
You got sun shirts over there too.
是的。
Yeah.
防晒衫，还有更厉害的是那个打底裤。
Sun shirts and and what's crazy is the leggings.
女生和男生都喜欢打底裤。
Girls and guys both like the leggings.
大部分设计都是我老婆做的。
My wife does most of the designs on everything.
我主要设计帽子。
I I design the hats mainly.
她也就帮我一点忙。
She just helps me out a little bit.
对。
Yeah.
对，我们是电商品牌，但春天也会去参加飞钓展会。
And yeah, we're an e commerce brand, but we also do fly fishing shows in the spring.
对。
Yeah.
继续。
Go
接着说。
on.
比如瓦萨奇飞钓和绑饵展，那里有很多好人。
Like the Wasatch fly fishing and tying show, and and there are so many good people there.
是的。
Yeah.
刚开始接触的时候，你可能会觉得，飞钓有时候给人的感觉是大家都自以为是，有些人不好接近。
Like getting into it, you're you'd think, you know, because fly fishing sometimes has that feeling that everybody's know it alls and and you can't approach certain people.
当然也有那样的人，但天哪，那里每个人都特别友好。
And there are some there's obviously people like But man, everybody's so cool there.
比如，摆摊的时候，跟每个人聊天。
Like, setting up, talking to everybody.
对。
Yep.
你知道吗？
You know?
很少有人会给你脸色看。
There 's very few people that kinda gave you the middle finger.
嗯，我在那个展会上也是这样的体验。
So Well, that's been my experience at that show too.
那展会挺不错的。
It was a pretty good one.
都是好人。
Good people.
那咱们来聊聊绑飞蝇吧。
So let's let's talk fly tying for a minute.
好的。
Okay.
你提到了这个。
You brought that up.
所以你自己设计了一些毛钩样式，或者对现有样式有自己的改良。
So you have come up with some of your own patterns or your own takes on patterns.
是的。
Yes.
我还在用TS Mitch。
I still fish the TS Mitch.
那里
There
我一直在用那个。
Still fish that thing all the time.
我还没给任何人看过。
I haven't shown anybody.
对。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
所以它从来没上过镜头，但我还是经常用那玩意儿钓鱼。
So it's never it's never been on camera, but I still fish the crap out of that thing.
嗯，它叫“救星”。
Well, it's called the trip saver.
那是
That's
为什么？有原因的。
why For a reason.
有原因的。
For a reason.
是的。
Yeah.
这不算什么绝密。
It's Not top secret.
别和帕特·多尔西的绝密米奇搞混了。
Not to be confused with Pat Dorsey's top secret, Mitch.
不是。
No.
其实我在我的Instagram上已经展示过怎么绑这个了。
I've actually on my Instagram, I've shown how to tie it
还有所有细节，
and everything,
你知道的。
you know.
所以，
So
而且它真的很简单。
And it's really simple.
但我知道很多人总是好奇，比如，你是怎么想出这些图案的？
But I know a lot of folks are always curious, like, how do you come up with patterns?
你坐下来设计的时候，过程是怎样的？比如，你会说，我需要一个能实现X、Y、Z功能的假蝇。
What what's your process for sitting down and saying, alright, I need a fly that's gonna do x y and z.
对你来说，那是什么样的？
What what's that look like for you?
说到TS蚊钩，我觉得它真的很棒，而且是一种非常简单的蚊钩假蝇。
So the t s midge, just to talk about it, like, I I really liked and it's a very simple midge fly.
对，没错。
There's like Yeah.
只需要三种材料。
Three ingredients.
对吧？
Right?
超级简单。
It's super super easy.
但一开始，你知道，我用的是斑马蚊钩，尤其是在奥格登河上。
But at first, you know, I was using Zebra midges, especially like on the Ogden River.
那玩意儿在奥格登河上特别好用，尤其是带银色珠子和银色螺纹的那种。
That thing kills on the Ogden River, especially with the silver bead and and silver ribbing.
然后我就觉得，嗯，这真的很好。
And it's like, know, that's really good.
后来我去了金字塔湖几次，我们钓到的所有东西，基本上都是冠状蚊钩，至少对我来说是这样。
And then I went out to Pyramid a couple times and they all everything we've caught, everything on pretty much was, at least for me, was coronamids.
对。
Yep.
或者，你知道，但我不太喜欢三倍长钩的样子，诸如此类的。
Or, you know, and really but I don't like how the the three x long hook looks and that type of thing.
所以我只用两倍或三倍强度的弯钩。
So I just do a a scut hook that's like two or three x strong.
如果你能找到三倍强度的钩子，我的意思是，那些现在就像精细强化过的牙齿一样了。
If you can find any three x hooks, I mean those are those are like fine enhanced teeth now.
但你知道，就是整个制作过程，我主要用的材料是棕色的空心金属丝。
But you know, just going through the process, like I I you know, the main part of the pattern is is like brown hollow tinsel.
对吧？
Right?
我试过不同的颜色、不同的形状，一开始绑得尾部很重，现在就是渐细的，看起来挺干净的。
And I did different colors, different shapes, know, tied it with a butt heavy, you know, and then then now it's just tapered, you know, and it's like it looks pretty clean.
但说到底，这其实就是一个不断试错的过程。
But with that, I it was just a process of trial and error when it came down to it.
对。
Yeah.
但就像我发明的其他苍蝇一样，我知道，比如UV绒刚出来的时候，你可以买到水晶UV之类的材料。
But like other flies that I've come up with, it it's I know that, like when UV dubbing was brand new, you could buy like crystal UV and that type of thing.
所以我就开始把那些东西加进我的绒线里，用来绑若虫，因为虫子身上自然会有那种UV光泽，看起来更像真的虫子。
And so I just started adding that stuff into my dubbing for for nymphs because, know, bugs give a natural sheen off that UV like type of look that make them more buggy.
所以最有趣的是，自己绑苍蝇的时候，你根本不用担心店里买的东西。
And so the funnest thing is like when you're tying flies, you don't have to worry about store bought stuff.
你就像有了想象力一样。
You get like an imagination.
比如我老婆绑的第一只假蝇，看起来像只兔子。
Like my wife's first fly looked like a bunny.
全身粉红色，还有两只白耳朵，你懂的。
It was all pink with two white ears, you know, type of thing.
所以就看你自己怎么想了。
And so it just depends on how you feel.
对。
Yeah.
不过我也不太确定。
But I don't know.
我有几种假蝇，就是专门给自己绑的。
I've got a few different flies that I I tie just for me type of thing.
你绑假蝇是为了解决某个问题吗？因为你需要一种看起来或动起来有特定样子的假蝇？
Is it tie in to solve a problem because you need a fly that looks or acts a certain way?
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还是说更多是拿一个东西，然后试着把它简化？
Or is it more of just taking something and trying to streamline it?
嗯，其实不算是简化，你知道的。
Well, it's not really streamlining, you know.
更像是看什么有效。
It's more like what's gonna work.
而且，你认识我很久了。
And, you know, you've known me for a long time.
对。
Yeah.
我绑很多鱼饵，你知道的。
I tie on a lot of flies, know.
最近，因为我已经熟练了，我下水时会尽量用最有效的鱼饵。
And lately, because I've got it down, I try and put on my most effective fly when I get in the water.
而且我知道几乎在任何地方都有效。
And I know almost always works everywhere.
对。
Yeah.
你知道的。
You know.
然后我会根据情况调整，你明白吗？
And then I'll modify from there, you know?
我还是用黑线绑，但主要已经换成酒红色或红色了，因为我觉得在水里效果更好。
And I still tie it with black thread, but mainly I've been switching over to wine or red, you know, because I think it it presents better in the water.
对。
Yeah.
所以可能多一点那种……哦，不是，我一时想不起那个词。
So Maybe a little bit more of that oh, not so what I'm blanking on the word.
就像热点。
Like a hot spot.
对比度。
Contrast.
对，就是这样。
That's Yeah.
这正是我要找的，对吧？
What I'm looking Right?
因为它们主要不是对颜色有反应，而是对颜色与水底背景的对比度有反应。
Because it's not the color that they react to so much, it's the contrast of those colors against the background of the water.
对。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
而且，像那种空心的棕色，在所有飞蝇中都是非常一致的颜色。
And and when with the, like, the hollow brown, it's a very consistent color throughout all flies.
是的。
Yep.
你明白我的意思吗？
You know what I'm saying?
因为大多数都是那个颜色。
Because most of them are that color.
它只是释放出那一点点紫外线，让鱼忍不住去咬，你不需要用一堆填充材料把它弄得很臃肿。
And it just throws that little bit of UV out there to make them snap at it, and you don't have to bulk it up with a bunch of dubbing or anything.
而且我也尽量把它们做得非常结实。
And I try and make them bomb proof too.
所以我想还有另外几种材料。
So I guess there's a couple other ingredients.
一种是强力胶，对。
One is super glue Yeah.
你知道，涂在底部。
You know, on the base.
因为一天之内你可能会用同一只假蝇钓到三四十条鱼。
Because you'll catch thirty, forty fish on the same fly in a day.
而这一点我觉得很多人不太会这么做。
And that's something that I don't see people do as much.
其实我爷爷这辈子为数不多做对的事情之一，就是教会了我爸绑假蝇。
And I actually one of the very few good things my grandfather ever did with his life was he taught my dad how to tie flies.
我爸又教会了我。
My dad taught me.
他有个诀窍，特别是用孔雀毛的时候，就是先涂上强力胶或者头胶之类的，然后再把孔雀毛缠上去。
And one of the tricks he did with peacock earls especially was always put super glue or head cement or whatever down before you wrap that peacock earl through.
对。
Yeah.
这样它就能更好地固定在钩子上。
And it stays on the hook a lot better.
而且我在YouTube视频里看到很多现代绑蝇的人，至少没这么做。
And I don't see a lot of modern tires in YouTube videos at least doing that.
我会这么做。
I do.
也许是因为时间关系，你知道吧？
And maybe it's because of time, you know?
但是像那种法式毛钩，我每绑一个都会这么做。
But like with Frenchies, I do it with every Frenchie.
我也会这么做
I do it
比如用雉鸡尾羽或者野鸡尾羽的时候。
with hairs ear, pheasant tail.
对。
Yeah.
任何容易断的材料我都会这样处理。
Any type of thing that breaks really easy.
说实话，我现在绑的野鸡尾羽毛钩已经不像传统的样子了。
And honestly, like, I don't even tie hairs ears like traditional hairs ears look anymore.
因为这些年我一直在想，你知道吗？
Because over the years, I've just been like, you know what?
我真的很不喜欢尾巴那么容易断，所以我会用莱昂公鸡毛，或者用其他类型的纤维。
I really don't like how the tails break super easy, so I'm gonna use Cocque de Leon on it, or I'm gonna use a different type of fiber.
现在它们看起来完全不一样了。
And now they look completely different.
我所谓的毛耳，其实看起来根本不像。
What I call a hairs ear is it doesn't even look like it.
亚历克斯，我在VFC的哥们，也给我提过同样的问题。
Alex, my buddy here at VFC gives me that same issue.
他老跟我说，你的法式毛钩看起来不像法式的。
He says, well, your Frenchies don't look like Frenchies is what he keeps telling me.
对。
Yeah.
他这么说，我就问，为什么？
He's like I'm like, why?
他说，因为它们的锥度太大了。
He's like, well, they're tapered too much.
我说，不对。
I'm like, no.
它们的锥度是对的，因为能钓到鱼。
They're tapered correctly because they catch fish.
我正要这么说。
I was gonna say.
对我来说很管用。
They work for me.
没坏就别修。
If it ain't broke.
没错。
Exactly.
你懂吧？
You know?
所以不换。
So no.
我就是说，你一旦进入绑蝇的世界，总有说不完的话题。
I just you get in the world of fly tying and it's always there there's so much to talk about.
对吧？
Right?
因为总是这样，你绑飞蝇是为了满足某种需求吗？
Because it's always is there are you tying to to fill a need?
你是想尝试创造出全新的东西吗？
Are you tying to try and come up with something brand new?
我觉得其实没有什么真正全新的东西可以创造。
I don't think there's really anything brand new to come up with.
问题就在这里。
That's the thing.
就像现在，当你提到一种新飞蝇时，对。
Like, and now when you talk about a new fly Yeah.
你就是在吹毛求疵，你在讨论的是，
You're splitting hairs and you're talking about,
你
you
知道，新线材。
know New thread.
对。
Yeah.
新线材或者新的线径，你知道，从零点零一到零点零二，人们就说，哦，这是新款的飞蝇。
The new thread or new size of wire, you know, you go point o one or point o two and people are oh, it's a new fly.
我就想，对，我确定这其实是一样的东西。
And I'm like, yeah, I'm pretty sure it's the same thing.
对。
Yeah.
确实。
It is.
但他们就是想要那种感觉，你知道吗。
But they they wanna have that, man.
所以，对。
So yeah.
不过，我的那个旅行救星飞钓饵，你知道，我简称它为TS米奇。对。
So But yeah, my trip saver fly, you know, I call I shorten it to TS midge Yep.
而且它一直特别好用。
And and it's just been a a killer.
这是个很棒的飞钓饵。
It's a great fly to use.
所以，是的。
So Yeah.
好，我们稍微换个话题。
Well, let's let's pivot a little bit.
好的。
Okay.
你是怎么开始玩飞钓的？
What got you into fly fishing?
我们花一分钟聊聊这个吧。
Let's let's talk about that for a minute.
好的。
Okay.
那么
So
因为我对这个故事略知一二，而且挺精彩的。
because I I know a little bit of this story and it's pretty good.
从小到大，我们家里很穷。
So growing up, we were poor.
对。
Mhmm.
所以我们有鱼吃。
And so we had fish to eat.
所以，说到扔蚯蚓什么的，我可是高手。
And and so I just I mean, I was a killer when it came to chucking worms and stuff like that.
我确实很擅长，但就是不喜欢钓完鱼后身上的味道。
And I was really good at it, but I just didn't like how you smelled after.
所以我在高中时有个好朋友。
And so I had a buddy in high school.
你懂我的意思吧？
You know what I'm saying?
对。
Yeah.
就像虫子什么的，不，不是。
It's like worms and No.
我懂。
I do.
就喜欢你这么说。
Just love it when you put it that way.
是啊，你知道，用饵钓鱼的人身上味道很难闻。
Like, yeah, you know, bait fishermen smell bad.
嗯。
Well.
也许是他们的态度让人受不了。
Maybe it's their attitude that stinks.
不是。
No.
我开玩笑的。
I'm kidding.
他们只是还没完全开窍。
They just haven't been fully enlightened.
也许这就是那种讨人厌的毛病。
Maybe this is that douchebag thing.
对。
Yeah.
谁知道呢？
Who knows?
钓鱼的人以……出名。
Fishermen are known for.
嗯，我是说，但是……
Well, I mean But
我也有同感。
I feel the same way.
刻板印象存在是因为它确实如此。
The stereotype exists because it's true.
哦，对。
Oh, yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
对吧？
Right?
所以，事情是这样的，我朋友当时跟我说，他打电话给我，我那天正在上班，他说，那是在高中，他说，嘿，哥们，咱们去飞钓吧。
So Well, what had happened is my buddy was like, he he called me up and I was working one day and and he's like, this was in high school and he's like, hey, man, let's go fly fishing.
我大概13岁的时候玩过一会儿，就是在那种鳟鱼塘里。
And I'd done it when I was like 13 for like a minute on, you know, like a trout pond.
所以
So
对。
Yeah.
在鳟鱼塘里钓鱼不难。
Not hard to catch fish on a trout pond.
不难。
No.
对吧？
Right?
所以连我都能
So Even I can
在鳟鱼塘里钓到鱼。
catch fish on a trout pond.
然后我就说，算了，我不想去。
And so I I was like, nah, I don't wanna go.
我可不想身上一股蚯蚓味儿。
I don't wanna smell like worms.
我还得去跟朋友玩呢。
I'm I've gotta, you know, go go and hang out with friends.
他说，别傻了，哥们儿。
He's like, nah, dude.
我们说的是飞钓。
We're talking about fly fishing.
对。
Yeah.
我说，飞钓是什么鬼？
I'm like, what are you talking about fly fishing?
你知道吗？
You know?
他就说，是啊。
And he was like, yeah.
你懂的，钓完鱼马上就能去上班。
You just, you know, you can go to work right after.
我第一次跟他去钓鱼是在纪念公园附近的奥格登河南支流。
And so first time I went fishing with him was on the South Fork Of The Ogden up by Memorial Park.
他以前总吹嘘自己钓鱼有多厉害。
And, you know, he used to always brag about how good a fish he was and everything.
结果那天他钓了三条，我钓了七条。
And he caught like three fish that day, and I caught seven.
我当时就想，行吧。
And I was like, alright.
我觉得我喜欢上这个了，你知道吗？
I think I like this, you know?
到现在为止，
And and by Now
那时候奥格登还挺吓人的。
that was back when Ogden was really scary.
对吧？
Right?
哦，是的。
Oh, yeah.
当然。
For sure.
对于那些不了解犹他州地理的听众来说，奥格登一直是个天黑后别去的地方。
Well, For those sounds who don't know, like Utah geography, Ogden's always kinda been don't go there after dark.
对吧？
Right?
对。
Yeah.
人们都会绕开它走。
People would drive around it.
而且，你知道，那里是个脸上有纹身的地方。
And, you know, it's a tattoo on the face place.
你知道吗？
You know?
就像
Like
对。
Yeah.
在很多方面，它就像是犹他州的脖子上的纹身。
It's the neck tattoo of Utah in a lot of ways.
说实话，现在好多了，你知道，据我所知。
Honestly, it's so much better now, you know, like from what I understand.
我也不再开车穿过那里了。
I don't drive through it anymore either.
开玩笑的。
I'm kidding.
我上周末还在那儿呢。
I was there last weekend.
我去考艾岛玩了桨板。
I went paddle boarding up on Kauzy.
不过话说回来，奥格登河的南支流真的很美，是一段不错的小河。
But anyway, the south fork of the Ogden's really pretty, and it it's a good little stretch of river.
我在那儿钓到了一些很棒的鱼。
Caught some really nice fish there.
而且，你知道，大概有15英里长的一段，沿途全是露营地，里面有不错的褐鳟，风景也很美。
And, you know, there's a stretch of 15 miles probably that's there's just a bunch of campgrounds, and there's nice browns in there, and and it's beautiful.
但确实，就是那种一钓到鱼我就兴奋得不行，像小孩吃了糖一样，或者像胖小孩看到蛋糕那样。
But, yeah, it was just one of those things where I got as soon as I caught those fish, I was like a kid on crack, like a fat kid on cake type of thing.
你懂我的意思吧？
You know what I'm saying?
我当时
I was
对。
Yep.
我本来想用个别的词，但现在可能不太方便说。
I was gonna use a different term, but I don't think I can use that right now.
不过，是的。
But Yeah.
我们尽量保持内容适合家庭观看，虽然我这张脸可能不太行，但我们尽力了。
We try and keep it family friendly as much as as much as my mug will allow, but we we try.
所以，我今天早上上班前先去接我女儿。
So I I went to pick my daughter up this morning before I left for work.
对。
Yeah.
然后我说，嘿，露丝，过来。
And I'm like, hey Ruth, come here.
她只是看着我，撅起嘴，然后尖叫着把她交给妈妈，然后笑了。
And she just looks at me and sticks her lip out and just screams a hand her to mom, smiles out.
我就说，好吧。
I'm like, okay.
对。
Yeah.
看来我今天确实看起来状态不好。
I guess I do look bad today.
我知道自己住在哪里。
I know where I live.
我有工作，
I work,
你知道的。
you know.
知道自己几斤几两。
Know my place.
是的。
I do.
就在食物链的最底层。
Right at the bottom of the food chain.
我现在连让她喜欢我都不敢说，因为我现在还在还房贷，因为我根本就不是那样的人。
I can't even tell her to like me because I'm paying the mortgage right now because I'm not.
对。
Yeah.
所以，不管怎样，我开始接触飞钓了。
So anyways, getting into fly fishing.
抱歉。
Sorry.
说实话，那时候，还没有互联网。
So I I honestly, back then, you didn't have the Internet.
是的。
Yep.
我知道这有点暴露年龄，但那时候我经常路过像“垂钓者之家”这样的店。
I know this kinda dates me, but it was one of those things where I would walk by like Angler's Den.
他们有飞钓杂志，我特别喜欢“垂钓者之家”。
They have fly fishing magazines, and I love Angler's Den.
你知道吗，我以前经常去那儿。
You know, I used to hang out there all the time.
然后呢，我就买那些杂志。
And anyway, and I'd just buy the magazines.
那些杂志里又夹着其他杂志的宣传单，所以我又买了那些杂志。
And then those magazines would have leaflets for other magazines, and so I buy those magazines.
我把我能找到的书都买了。
I bought every book I could find.
ESPN以前有个关于飞钓的节目，其实什么也没教你，但画面特别美。
They used to have this show on ESPN, you know, about fly fishing that basically told you nothing, but it was really pretty.
所以每一集我都看了，你知道吗，我简直变得有点疯狂了。
And so I watched every one of those, you know what And I'm I just became ridiculous.
我那时候的工作是每天下午三点到九点。
And I had a job where I worked from 03:00 to 09:00 every day.
我住的地方离奥格登河只有八分钟路程，所以我早上就去钓鱼，钓到下午两三点，然后再去上班。
And so I was eight minutes away from the Ogden River, and I would go in the morning, fish until two or 03:00, and then go into work.
是的。
Yeah.
那时候每天都是这样。
And that was all day every day.
所以
So
这就是让你着迷的原因。
And that's what did it for you.
对。
Yeah.
差不多吧。
Pretty much.
那也算是练手的地方。
And that's that's kind of the training ground.
还有，哦，抱歉。
And also Oh, sorry.
你说吧。
Go ahead.
不。
No.
我本来想继续说下去的。
I was just gonna go ahead.
我，我
I I
又一个不合适的笑话。
Another inappropriate joke.
对。
Yeah.
可能是吧。
Probably.
对。
Yeah.
就是
It's
我本来想说，对，不开玩笑了，Hyrum 是个很棒的钓鱼高手。
I was just gonna say, like, yeah, all kidding aside, Hyrum is a great angler.
你是个很棒的钓鱼高手。
You're a great angler.
谢
Thank
谢。
you.
你是我一起钓过鱼的人里最厉害、最有鱼缘的一个。
One of the best one of the fishiest guys I've ever fished with.
但很多人忽略的是，要达到那个水平需要花多少时间和精力。
But the thing that gets underscored by a lot of folks is how much time and effort it takes to get there.
这里面有很多天赋的成分，我觉得你在这方面可能比我认识的大多数人都更有天赋，也比我强。
There's a lot of natural talent to it, and I would say you're probably a much more naturally talented angler than I am too than a lot of guys I know.
不是说拿你跟我比，你知道的，我也不是什么标杆人物，就是随便比一下。
Not that comparing you to me is, you know, not like I'm some gold standard for anybody, just comparison's sake.
但一方面有天赋，另一方面你得付出很多努力。
But there's the natural talent of it, and then there's all the work that you gotta put into
对，而且
it And
大家看不到的是，你玩飞钓已经二三十年了，可能还不止。
people don't see that, you know, twenty, thirty years that you've been fly fishing, probably more than that.
对吧？
Right?
我不想把你的年龄说得太大，但确实是这样。
I don't wanna I don't wanna put too much age on you, but Yeah.
我想我现在应该31岁了。
I guess I'd be 31 now.
是的。
Yeah.
31岁？
31?
31岁。
31.
好。
K.
所以，是的。
So yeah.
所以，是的。
So yeah.
我，我48岁。
I'm I'm 48.
所以现在我就32岁了。
So now I'd be 32.
好。
K.
所以你已经干这行三十二年了。
So thirty two years you've been doing that.
关键是，我遇到的那些人，他们可能会说，哦，我钓鱼已经钓了十五年了，但他们一年只去两次。
And the thing is it's not like I had met guys that are like, oh, I've been fishing for fifteen years, but they only go twice a year.
对。
Yep.
所以他们总共也就出去过三十次。
So they've been out 30 times.
没错。
Exactly.
而我呢，我一年要去两百天。
Me, I would go two hundred days a year
对。
Yeah.
头几年还是这样。
For the first still.
对。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
他现在还在做这个。
He's still doing it.
对。
Yeah.
我觉得就算我们以前一起工作的时候，你一年也还是200天。
I think even when we were working together back in the day, it was 200 a year for you still,
对，没错。
even Yeah.
而且就算几年前，我做了背部手术，所以现在有点弱了。
And even a couple years ago, I had a back surgery, so I'm kind of a wimp now.
但是今年，确实少了很多。
But this year, it's it's slowed down quite a bit.
所以至少你有个好借口。
So at least you got a good excuse for it.
我就是胖。
I'm just fat.
所以我就说，是啊，我做过背部手术。
So I was like, yeah, I had back surgery.
我都没法走路。
I couldn't walk me.
我就说，我手都离不开多力多滋的袋子。
I was just like, I can't get my hand out of the bag of Doritos.
这就是我的问题。
So that's my problem.
其实，我的背部手术就是这么来的。
Well, that's how I got my back surgery, actually.
太胖了。
Too much girth.
对。
Yeah.
那是我
That was one of
我都忘了刚才在说什么了。
the even forgot kinda what I was saying.
但说真的，我以前找工作都会找离河十五分钟以内的地方，这样我就能在十五分钟内到河边。
But no, like, I would actually find places to work that was within fifteen minutes of a river that I could be on wet within fifteen minutes.
午休的时候，我就去钓半小时鱼，能钓上三四条甚至五条，然后再回来。
During our lunch break, I would just go and fish for half an hour and catch three or four or five fish and come back.
不是吧。
No.
不过这正是我想强调的，你想变得擅长这个。
And that's that's the thing I wanted to highlight though is there is you wanna get good at it.
天赋确实有帮助。
There's the natural talent part that will help.
对。
Yeah.
但说到底，在水上花的时间才是最重要的，别的都比不上。
But it's time on the water more than anything else that's gonna do that for you.
是的。
Yeah.
而且这真的没有捷径可走。
And there's really no shortcut to that.
大家都希望有捷径。
People want there to be.
他们希望有一种神奇的飞蝇。
They want there to be the magic fly.
而且，你知道，很多人会问，那用什么装备呢？
And and, you know, we we get a lot of folks asking about, well, what's this what's the setup?
在这里我该用什么？
What what do I use here?
迈克，这个嘛，你就用鱼告诉你的那些装备。对。
What Mike, well, you use what the fish tell you to use Yeah.
很多时候都是这样。
A lot of the time.
而唯一能知道的方法就是多练。
And the only way to know that is do it a lot.
然后你就到了你之前提到的那个阶段，对，你到了河边，就会用你觉得大多数时候应该管用的装备来准备。
And you get to the point you mentioned earlier, yeah, you get to the river and you're gonna rig up with what you think should work most of the time.
而且因为你钓得够多，你就知道，好，对，这个季节应该用这个。
And because you fish enough, you know, okay, yeah, this is what should work this time of the year.
对。
Yeah.
因为六月份和十二月份的装备肯定不一样。
Because it's not gonna be the same rig if you go in June versus December.
对吧？
Right?
对。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
嗯，小溪流就不一样了。
Well, and small creeks, they're that's different.
对吧？
Right?
小溪流几乎总是用同一种装备就行。
Small creeks almost always work with the same type of setup.
我喜欢鹿毛的caddis，你用麋鹿毛或者鹿毛来绑。
Within I like the I like the deer hair caddis, you You tie it with elk or deer.
我喜欢鹿毛，因为它的翅膀是灰色的，对吧，就是那种天然的鹿毛。
I like the deer hair because it has a grayer wing, right, type of thing and the natural deer.
所以鹿毛飞蛾，配个野鸡尾或者兔耳，然后下面再挂个ATS摇蚊或者斑马摇蚊。
So deer hair caddis, pheasant tail or hare's ear, and then, you know, a t s midge or, you know, zebra midge below it.
这样在小溪里几乎总能钓到鱼，就像那种八到十英尺宽的小溪。
And you'll almost always catch fish on a small creek just like that stream that's, you know, eight, ten feet wide
对。
Yeah.
差不多就是这样。
Type of thing.
所以不管什么时候都能钓到鱼，就算是隆冬时节，我也能用水面饵或者蚂蚁钓到鱼，如果是夏天的话。
So you're always gonna be able to catch fish even midwinter I'm getting takes on dries or ants if it's, you know, in the summer type of thing.
对。
Yeah.
说到这个，我还想深入聊聊这个。
Going off that, I'm gonna actually dig into this too.
我觉得你是第一个给我介绍干式钓组加拖钓的人。
Think you're the first guy who introduced me to the dry dropper dropper.
对。
Yep.
认识你之前我都不这么钓。
I didn't fish that way till I met you.
是的。
Yeah.
我记得你以前只用干蝇或者浮漂钓组。
I remember you were dry only or indicator rig.
对吧？
Right?
对。
Yes.
对。
Yes.
我可不想再提那些日子了，所以真是谢谢你啊。
This is I don't like to I don't like to bring those days back up, so I really appreciate that.
你为什么那么喜欢那种钓组？
Why do you like that rig so much?
是什么让你改用那种的？
What made you go to that?
因为那种钓组不是所有地方都合法。
Because and it's not legal everywhere.
你知道，有些州的司法部门管得比较严，会说，哦，你不能那样做。
You know, some states are more heavy handed with their judicial branch or, oh, you can't do that.
但在那些不合法的地方，你却能侥幸逃脱。
But the place where it's illegal and you can get away with it.
嗯，你知道，我觉得在爱达荷州，同一条线上最多可以挂五个不同的钩子。
Well, it's you know, I think in Idaho, you can run up to five different hooks on the same line.
对。
Yep.
你知道，怀俄明州也差不多，如果我没记错的话。
You know, Wyoming's pretty similar if I recall.
但犹他州以前不是这样的。
But use Utah used to not be that way.
对。
Yep.
所以只能钓干蝇加湿蝇，只有两个钩子。
And so you could only fish dry dropper, it was only two hooks.
对吧？
Right?
黄石公园现在还是这样，而且两个钩子都得是无倒刺的。
Yellowstone's still that way and they both gotta be barbless.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
没错。
Yeah.
有意思的是，那其实是我这辈子为数不多给DNR写信的时候。
So what's funny is I actually that's the one of the only times I've ever written the DNR in my life.
对。
Yeah.
因为我会去爱达荷州，用三只苍蝇钓鱼，这样就能同时钓到蠓虫、若虫和干蝇。
Because I would go up to Idaho, fish three flies, and that way you're fishing a midge, a nymph, and a dry.
是的。
Yep.
那大概是很久以前让我转变观念的原因，也是我最初开始的方式。
And that's kinda what converted me forever ago, and that's kinda how I started out anyway.
因为你知道，我有些朋友会说，哦，你只能钓若虫或者只能钓干蝇。
Because, you know, I had buddies that were they were like, oh, you gotta do nymph fragrant or dry only.
我就想，为什么不能两个都来呢？
And I'm like, why can't we just do both?
明白。
Mhmm.
你知道吗？
You know?
然后我还会看到有些人，比如在麦迪逊河或者亨利斯福克河上，他们会提到干蝇加幼虫，或者蚂蚱加幼虫这种组合。
And then you I would see things where people were like on the Madison or the Henry's Fork, they talk about dry dropper and, you know, or hopper dropper.
我就想，为什么不能全年都这么钓呢？
I'm like, well, why can't you do that year round?
对。
Yeah.
所以这就是我一开始这么做的原因。
And so that's kinda how I started out doing it.
其实就是我问了一个问题：为什么不呢？
It was just me asking a question, why not?
我觉得你的干蝇其实更灵敏，
And I think your dry fly is a lot more sensitive Way
更灵敏。
more sensitive.
比任何类型的指示器都要灵敏。
Than any type of indicator.
不管是新西兰的那种，还是小泡沫的那种，都一样。
It doesn't matter if it's a New Zealand one or one of the small foam ones.
你知道，那时候就是，你实际上得自己绑指示器，对吧，用一堆绒毛把它紧紧缠起来那种。
You know, back then it was just, you know, you you actually used to tie your your indicators, right, with a bunch of fluff and wrap it up really tight type of thing.
对。
Yeah.
一点都不灵敏。
Not sensitive at all.
所以另一个让我改用干蝇的原因，是我看了一个特别的节目。
So and the other conversion part of it, the reason I like tying it to a dry fly is watched this one special.
我记不清是什么节目了。
I can't remember it was.
他们展示了一只若虫在溪流中漂流，在浮漂或指示器动之前，它已经被咬了12次。
And they showed a nymph going through a stream, and it had 12 takes before the top flight or the indicator rig moved.
所以它被咬了12次，我就想，如果线是直的，没有缓冲，那中鱼率肯定会高很多。
So it had 12 takes, and so I figured, well, if it's got a solid line to it and there's no cushion, you're gonna have a lot better hookup rates.
所以呢，
And so
对，这就是所有欧式钓法和紧线钓法背后的整个理论。
Well, and that's whole theory behind all the Euro and tightline thing.
对吧？
Right?
是的。
Yeah.
就是直接连接，这确实很有道理。
Is direct connection, which, yeah, makes a lot of sense.
但你要是那样钓，一整天就得用那套钓组，除非你想把那个二三十英尺长的子线拆下来，重新换一套。
But you fish that way and it locks you into really that rig all day long unless you wanna take that twenty, thirty foot leader off and re rig with a new leader.
对。
Yeah.
这真是件麻烦事。
It's a pain in the butt.
所以我也一直推崇干蝇加若虫的钓组，因为，嗯，对。
And that's why I've been the evangelist for the dry dropper dropper as well because Mhmm.
我完全同意你。
Right there with you.
这确实有效。
It works.
对。
Yeah.
它让你有很多变化，也能灵活调整。
It's just it gives you a lot of variety and a lot of ability to to switch things up.
哦，是的。
Oh, yeah.
当然。
Definitely.
而且说实话，我偶尔还是会用浮漂钓组，比如在某些河流上，就像我们上周在漂流船上那样，当你钓得很深的时候，对。
And granted, like even I still fish indicator rigs occasionally when I, you know, on certain rivers when you're on a like we were on a drift boat last week and, you know, when you're running super deep Yep.
诸如此类的情况。
And stuff like that.
那样就合理多了。
It makes way more sense.
对。
Yeah.
因为你要把饵抛出去，然后等上一两分钟，而在小溪里那种地方，干蝇加幼虫钓组就更合适。
Because you're casting it out there and it's sitting for one to two minutes, whereas, you know, smaller creek, that type of thing, dry dropper, dropper.
说实话，最后我们都换成了三只干蝇的配置。
And honestly, we all switched over at the end to where we were running three dries.
对。
Yeah.
因为当时是PMD蜉蝣孵化期，所以我上面放了一只成虫PMD，有点像在过渡期那样，对。
Because it was a PMD hatch and so I had like the adult PMD at the top, kind of in a merger like Yeah.
你知道，然后下面再挂一个残翅的。
You know, and then a cripple at the bottom.
对。
Yeah.
天哪，我们简直太厉害了。
Man, we we freaking destroyed it.
简直是杀疯了。
Murdered.
所以，是的。
So Yeah.
那感觉真好。
It was good.
那抛这三只飞蝇有什么问题呢？
So what's the issue then with casting those three flies?
我知道你之前提过这个。
I know you you mentioned this.
对。
Yeah.
然后大家马上就会想，哦，那肯定会缠线。
And people immediately think, oh, that's gonna tangle.
如果你用传统的十点到两点方向抛投，而且停顿时机不对，那当然会缠。
And if you're casting a traditional 10:00, 02:00, you know, and not pausing right, of course it's going to.
没错。
Yep.
如果你要在同一个平面上抛，那每一竿都得稍微多等一会儿，这样才能把线甩出去。
If you're gonna cast that same plane, then you need to wait a little bit longer on each one just so you can power it out.
我的做法是，收回来的时候，得看风从哪个方向来。
What I do is when I pull it in, I it depends on what what way the wind's coming.
对。
Yeah.
所以如果风往这边吹，我就往这边收，然后往这边抛。
You know, so if the wind's blowing this way, I'll pick up this way, and then I'll cast this way.
所以其实你就是在空中画一个小椭圆，这样就能让那些
So it's just you're drawing a small oval in the sky and it gives those
我觉得他们管这个叫小比利时抛投法。
Little Belgium cast, I think is what they call it.
对。
Yeah.
是吧？
Right?
大概就是它的正式名称之类的。
The official name for it or whatever.
对。
Yeah.
也许吧。
Maybe.
差不多就是这样。
Something like that.
或者叫海勒姆·卡什，我们就这么叫它。
Or the Hyrum cash, we just call it that.
你想怎么叫都行，兄弟。
We can call it whatever you want, man.
比如，比利时，我喜欢，我喜欢薯条。
Like, Belgian I like I like fries.
我觉得他们不，不。
I think they no.
我不知道。
I don't know.
不。
No.
薯条确实是他们发明的。
They did come up with fries.
我记得前几天我还跟我老婆为这事大吵了一架，所以我记得，而且是我错了。
I remember I had a big argument with my wife about that the other day, so I I remember, and I was wrong.
我觉得他们好像叫它frites之类的，你知道吗？
And I think they called them frites or something, you know?
不过，反正他们
Well, anyway, they
在英国叫chips，因为
call them chips in England for
太糟糕了。
a crap.
没错。
That's true.
在苏格兰，他们也这么叫
And in Scotland, they call them the same
也一样。
thing too.
所以，你知道，他们给世界贡献了很多，但拜托。
So You know, they give a lot to the world, but come on.
用我们的词。
Use our words.
对。
Yeah.
没错。
Exactly.
英语是我们发明的。
We invented English.
百分之百。
A 100%.
对。
Yeah.
百分之百。
100%.
对。
Yeah.
嗯，
Well,
有趣的是，我听别人说过，他们说要想还原真正的英语，其实听起来像美式英语。
what's funny is, and this I heard from someone somewhere, but they said that to recreate true English, it actually sounds American.
比如那个“我”
Like the I
我不怀疑。
don't doubt it.
女王的英语其实是英语的变种，因为他们想听起来更高级。
The Queen's English is actually a bastardization of the English language because they were trying to sound fancier.
对。
Yeah.
所以当我们英国人说话的时候，虽然这话会被剪掉，但你知道
So when we speak as English people, and this is gonna be cut on all the floor, but you know
不。
No.
这就是大家收听Untangled的原因，就是语言剖析。
This is making it this is what people tune into Untangled for is linguistic dissection.
对。
Yeah.
对吧？
Right?
没错。
Exactly.
而且，在十八世纪还有一次元音大推移。
Well, and then you had the great vowel shift back in the seventeen hundreds.
对吧？
Right?
我是说，谁
I mean, who
我们谁不知道元音大推移呢？
who among us doesn't know about the great vowel shift?
我是说，拜托。
Mean, come on.
而且我没上过大学。
And I didn't go to college.
这可是YouTube大学，兄弟。
This is YouTube University, bro.
很多人不知道的大事是69年的辅音转换。
The the big thing a lot of people don't know about is a consonant swap of '69.
那是个大事件。
That was a big one.
对。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
其实都怪吉米·亨德里克斯，你懂的。
Blame it on Jimi Hendrix, really, you know.
天哪。
Man.
好吧，你知道吗？
Well, you know what?
咱们今天还有另一个重要话题要聊。
Let's the other big thing I wanted to to get into today too.
我们已经聊了很多不错的内容。
So we've covered a lot of good ground.
但我觉得，比起看你直播钓鱼，
But I think more than more than watching you fish on streams.
我不是说我已经完全搞懂了，
And I'm not to say that I've figured that out
对。
Yeah.
但现在回头看，我明白为什么我们经常一起钓鱼时，我那么吃力了。
But looking back on it now, I can see why I struggled so much when we fished together a ton.
我们一到溪边，你就把我打得落花流水。
And we'd get out on the streams and you'd kick my butt.
我就想，我到底哪里做错了？
I'm like, what am I doing wrong?
现在我终于明白了。
And now I I get it.
全都是呈现方式的问题。
It was all presentation issues.
对。
Yeah.
百分之九十九。
99%.
对。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
但我还是没完全搞明白，在静水钓鱼上，我们之间过去和现在存在的差距到底在哪。
But I still haven't quite figured out the gap that existed and still exists between us on still water Okay.
就是在湖上。
On lakes.
所以我在很多湖上还是被打得落花流水。
So I still get my butt kicked on a lot of lakes.
不是没努力，但我在湖上就是表现不太好。
Not for lack of trying, but I still don't do super great on them.
今年夏天我有几天钓得特别好，那对我来说算是亮点吧。
I had a great couple of days this summer, and that was kind of the highlight of of it for me.
但很多人呢，因为光讲湖就能做一整期节目。
But what what are a lot of people because we could do a whole show just on lakes.
哦，对。
Oh, yeah.
很多人在静水钓鱼时，到底忽略了什么呢？
What are a lot of folks missing when it comes to fishing still water?
你看到人们常犯的一些最大错误是什么。
Some of the the top mistakes that you see you see folks making.
抱歉，我鼻子痒。
Sorry, my nose itched.
没事，你继续说。
No, you're fine.
你知道，说到错误，我也不太清楚。
You know, mistakes wise, I don't know.
我不太会东张西望，对。
I don't look around sideways too much Yeah.
在这方面。
On that stuff.
但当我靠近一个湖时，第一件事就是观察。
But when I approach a lake, first thing is observation.
我会尽量选一些特别的地方，比如一个小码头或突出的地方，这样能把鱼吸引过来。
And I try and pick places that are, you know, like a little jetty or something that pokes out that's little bit different that's gonna condense the fish to come in.
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