苹果M6？S27泄露？数码产品季来了！

但我真的很想要这个，比如绿色的，还有那种沙丘色的。

But I would really like this, like, on the green and on the on the, like, dune color.

我不知道。

I don't know.

就是，嗯，对。

It's it's yeah.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

那你为什么不想向任何人推荐这些手机呢？

So why why do you not wanna recommend these phones to anybody?

是因为它们太相似了，而且去年的在某些方面几乎更好吗？

Just because they're so similar and because last year is, like, almost better in some ways?

所以这特别是指升级版手机，而不是基础版。

So it's specifically the upgraded phones over the base.

所以我真正能推荐给大多数人的只有 Pixel 11。

So the only one I could really recommend to most people is the Pixel 11.

Pixel 11 现在要 800 美元了。

The Pixel 11 is now $800 now.

对，899 美元。

Yeah, $8.99.

而且花 900 美元，你能买到很多手机。

And for a $900 phone, you can get a lot of phone.

你可以买 OnePlus 15。

You can get a OnePlus 15.

你可以买 Find X9 或者别的。

You can get a Find x nine or whatever.

就是说，有很多非常不错的手机，带有多摄像头、超快充电电池等等这些功能。

Like, there are lots of really nice phones with crazy multiple cameras and super fast charging batteries and all this stuff.

但如果你买 Pixel，那是因为你想要 Pixel 的体验。

But if you're getting a Pixel, it's because you want the Pixel experience.

你想要所有的软件功能，开箱就是安卓17，所有这些。

You want all of the software, Android 17 out the box, all that stuff.

那挺好的。

And that's great.

而且硬件也还行。

And you get And the hardware's fine.

但一旦你开始想，哦，我可能想要

But the second you start thinking about, oh, I might want to

买Pro或者

get the Pro or the

Pro XL或者Pro Fold，那你得在那上面再找到几百美元的价值。

Pro XL or the Pro Fold, well, you have to find another couple 100 more dollars of value in that.

我在那些手机上没看到这个价值，尤其是Pro或Pro XL，虽然我喜欢用它们。

And I don't see that in those phones, especially not the Pro or the Pro XL, even though I like using them.

它们也是完全没问题的手机。

And they're totally fine phones.

所以这就是我的总体看法。

So that's the general thesis.

Pro Fold 又回到了“还行”的水平，因为所有折叠屏都贵，而且它有 IP68 防水防尘的优势。

The Pro Fold is back to being fine, because all the Folds are expensive, and it has the IP68 angle.

它还有谷歌软件体验的优势，所以你有理由买那款手机。

It has the Google software experience angle, so there are reasons you could get that phone.

而且它看起来更酷。

And it looks cooler.

摄像头条这次也更酷了。

The camera bar is cooler this

用起来也很舒服。

It's nice to use clothes, too.

我喜欢它。

I like it.

不过对，它们都是不错的手机。

But yeah, they're fine phones.

我有个问题。

I have a question.

你在测试的时候经常用Gemini智能吗？

Did you use Gemini Intelligence a lot during your testing?

没有比其他手机用得多。

Not any more than I was on any other phone.

好的。

Okay.

因为我当时使劲儿测试它来着。

Because I was pressure testing the hell out of it.

Gemini智能，可能有些人不知道，就是那种体验——当它觉得能帮你做点什么的时候，屏幕上会随机弹出一个小Gemini图标。

Gemini Intelligence, for people that don't know, is the experience where randomly a little Gemini chip will pop up on your screen when it thinks it can do something for you.

举个例子，比如有人给你发短信问，你订那家餐厅的位子了吗？

So one of the examples is like, if you want to make a reservation at a, if someone texts you and they said, did you make that reservation at this restaurant?

然后屏幕上就会弹出一个小图标，提示你可以直接订位。

Then a little chip will pop up that's like, make the reservation.

有几件事要说。

A couple of things.

第一，他们网站上展示的动画和实际发生的过程完全不一样，而且比实际过程干净多了。

One, the animation they show on their website is completely different and way cleaner than the actual process that happens when this happens.

嗯。

Mhmm.

第二，实际发生的情况是，这个小芯片会弹出来。

Number two, the thing that actually happens is this little chip pops up.

你必须安装OpenTable。

You have to have OpenTable installed.

它只适用于OpenTable。

It only works for OpenTable.

你得进入手机设置，然后找到Gemini主动协助，再进去把OpenTable打开。

You have to go into the settings of the phone and then go to the Gemini Proactive Assistance, and then you have to go and you have to click OpenTable on.

所以默认情况下所有功能都是关闭的，一般来说，我觉得选择加入更好。

So everything's off by default, which generally I'm like, opt in is better.

在这种情况下，他们并没有真正告诉你哪些集成功能可以和Gemini Intelligence配合使用，好像没有一个明确的列表。

In this case, the fact that they don't really tell you which integrations work with Gemini Intelligence, like there's not really a list.

然后你得进去手动把每一个选项都打开。

And then you have to go in and just manually tick on every single option.

而且让这个功能真正跑起来的过程也太复杂了。

And then the process of making it work is just so convoluted.

比如说，它会提示你“预订餐厅”。

Like you'll, it'll be like, make a reservation.

你点一个按钮。

You tap a button.

唯一能让这个芯片弹出来的办法是，如果有人给你发短信说：“你能在某个时间预订这个地方吗？”

The only way to make this chip pop up if you, is if someone texts you and says, Can you make a reservation at this place at this time?

在那一天。

On this day.

在那一天。

On this day.

所以要么是日期，要么是时间，但必须是这个地方和日期或时间。

So it's either a date or time, but it's this place and date or time.

如果他们在短信里没有提到这两个具体的东西，它就不会弹出来。

And if they do not say those exact two things in the text, it will not pop up.

对。

Yeah.

而且谷歌不会告诉你需要什么才能让这些芯片弹出来。

And Google doesn't tell you what you need to make these chips pop up.

所以，而且，我也不知道。

So, and also, I don't know.

我的另一个看法是，如果有人发短信让你帮忙订位，而你又让AI去做，那他们为什么不直接让自己的AI去订呢？

My other angle on this is like, if someone's gonna text you to ask you to make the reservation and you're gonna have your AI do it, why don't they just have their AI do the reservation?

你懂我的意思吗？

You know what I mean?

比如，你为什么要发短信给别人说，你能帮我订这个位子，然后直接设置好，而不是就在你的Gemini手机上直接说，帮我订

Like, why would you text someone else and say, can you make this reservation and just set it instead of just on your Gemini phone just being like, make

预订吗？

the reservation?

我是说，我也不知道。

I mean, I don't know.

我觉得他们假设对方会像你那样说，哦，好啊，我们去那儿吧。

I think they're assuming the person is just like, you were like, oh yeah, let's go there.

我来订个位。

I'll make a reservation.

然后现在他们就会问，哦，你订的是这个时间吗？

And now they're just being like, oh, did you make it for this time?

这就像是，

Which is like,

对，但确实有这么一个使用场景。

Yeah, but it's there's a a There's a use case.

这个场景确实很窄，而且有意思的是，三四年前在IO大会上，他们告诉我们手机将来能打电话给商家订位。

It is a very narrow It's use also funny because, what, three or four years ago at IO, they were telling us about how our phones would be able to call places and make reservations.

那是很久以前的事了。

That was like a long time ago.

对，但没用，因为餐厅的人都不想跟打电话来的机器人说话。

Yeah, with no, and that didn't work because no restaurant person wanted to talk to the robot that called them.

现在呢，我们又说，哦，如果有人把具体的日期、时间和地点发给你，只要你装了这款应用，并且勾选了这些权限，我们的人工智能也许就能搞定。

And now we're like, oh, now if someone texts you exactly the date and time and place, if you have this app installed with these permissions checked off, our AI might be able to get it.

还有一个好笑的。

Another funny one.

好。

Okay.

另一个跟 Gemini 智能的整合是，如果你在 Google Keep 里有购物清单，我确实有。

So another integration with Gemini Intelligence is that if you have a grocery list on Google Keep, which I do.

是的。

Yes.

好。

Okay.

我知道

I know

虽然这不常见，但我

that that's not common, but I

确实有。

do.

我会

I make

在你告诉我之前，猜猜我打算让它变成什么样？

a guess at what I want this to be before you tell me?

当然可以。

Sure.

因为我确实有类似的情况，你刚才说得特别准。

Because I have like, you said this exactly.

对。

Yeah.

如果它能问我打算去哪个超市，然后根据那个超市的过道号重新排列，那是我最希望它做的一件事。

If it could ask which grocery store I'm going to and rearrange it based on the aisle numbers at that grocery store, is my like number one thing I want one to do.

你现在说什么都会让我失望。

Whatever you say now will disappoint.

差远了。

Not even close.

好，我来告诉你这是怎么回事。

Okay, I'm going to tell you how this works.

所以它只有一些杂货店的集成，但像是有Costco和Instacart。

So the only, like, it has like some grocery integrations, but it's like got Costco and it's got Instacart.

好的。

Okay.

你手机上必须安装这些应用。

You have to have these apps installed on your phone.

你必须在Google Keep里有一个购物清单。

You have to have a grocery list in Google Keep.

不能就叫‘购物清单’。

It can't just be called grocery list.

得叫‘Instacart’之类的名字。

It has to be called like Instacart or something.

Google Keep里那个清单的标题，得像‘Instacart购物清单’或者‘Costco购物’这样的。

The title of the Keep, the Google Keep, like, list has to be like Instacart shopping list or like something or like Costco shopping

清单。

list.

哦，那太蠢了，因为当你往购物清单里加东西时，就意味着你得在Keep里建一个叫‘杂货’的清单。

Oh, that's dumb because when you add something to the grocery list, that means you have to have a list in Keap called groceries.

对。

Yes.

所以那是另一个清单。

So that's a different list.

这可能不会一直这样，但当我们大量测试时，我们只叫它‘购物清单’，结果不行。

This might not be the same forever, but when we were testing this extensively, we had it just called grocery shopping list and it didn't work.

然后我们把它改成叫Instacart购物清单，结果就真的能用了。

And we changed it to be called Instacart shopping list and then it did work.

这也太离谱了吧。

That's crazy.

所以你得在Google Keep里有一个购物清单，这本身就已经很具体了。

So you have to have a shopping list in Google Keep, is already really specific.

而且它还得叫一个特定的名字，这样Gemini智能才能知道这是个购物清单，尽管它显然不能直接叫购物清单。

And it has to be called something specific so that Gemini Intelligence can know that it's a shopping list, even though it apparently can't just be called shopping list.

然后它会根据你购物清单里的东西推荐餐食，还会打开Instacart，然后说，你应该买这些东西。

And then it will like suggest meals based on the things that you have in your shopping list that'll open up Instacart and like, be like, you should buy these items.

我在评论里就是这么写的，感觉这些功能就像是在硅谷的乌托邦工厂里做出来的，某个CEO说，我想少干5%的活。

It's just like the, the, the way that I put this in my review was like, it feels like these were made in the like Silicon Valley society if utopia factory, where some CEO was like, I want to do 5% less work.

所以，我生活中这些极其特定的场景和用例，我们要推给所有人。

So this extremely specific set of scenarios and use cases that I have in my life, we're going to ship for everybody.

对。

Yeah.

我甚至想说，这感觉像是大想法，限制太多，我们得把它缩小到最小的可能想法，希望能成功演示一下。

I would almost even say it feels like big idea, so many restrictions, we have to narrow it down to the smallest idea possible where we hope we can nail a demo of

对。

it.

谷歌不会告诉你那些参数是什么，这是另一回事。

Google doesn't tell you what those That's parameters the other thing.

就像他们不告诉你实际上需要什么来触发这些功能，这就是让人困惑的地方。

Like they don't tell you what you need to actually invoke these things, and that's what's confusing.

我理解。

And I get it.

我和他们聊过，他们说，嗯，我们不想让它太频繁地弹出来。

I talked to them and they were like, Well, we don't want to make it pop up too often.

他们不想意外触发这些芯片，但他们一开始就没告诉你触发这些芯片的实际参数是什么。

We don't want to accidentally invoke these chips, but they don't tell you what the parameters of actually invoking the chips are in the first place.

这确实很有意思。

It is really interesting.

这几乎和特斯拉的做法完全相反，他们上台会说，是的，你的车就能在任何街道上随时自动驾驶。

It's almost the opposite of the Tesla approach, where they'll get on stage and be like, yeah, your car will just be able to drive on any street at any time all the time.

它还会飞呢。

It'll fly.

然后你会想，等等，随时？

And you're like, wait, all the time?

然后你会想，好吧，有些路上你让它开，它会出错，你得接管，然后再重新开启。

And you're like, well, there will be some roads where you ask it and it'll mess up, and you'll have to take control and then turn it back on later.

但为了简单起见，就说它在所有情况下都能一直正常工作。

But, like, just for the sake of simplicity, like, it'll work all the time on everything.

然后你会想，天哪，这说法可真大。

And you're like, jeez, that's a big claim.

而谷歌则相反，他们会说，是的。

And Google's on the other side, like, yeah.

所以如果你看到一张海报，上面有音乐会的日期和时间等所有详细信息，然后你想订票，是的。

So if you wanted to book a concert ticket after you see a poster that has all the details for the concert dates and times on it Yeah.

你用我们的应用拍张照，然后开启权限，它大概就能帮你把票订好。

And you take a picture of it with our app, and then you enable the permissions, it'll probably book those tickets for you.

而且演唱会是在Ticketmaster上。

And the concert's on Ticketmaster.

对。

Yeah.

然后你去了设置，把它打开了，对吧。

And you you went to the settings, and you checked it on yeah.

我觉得挺讽刺的，因为以前Gemini的宣传方式好像是谷歌能理解你屏幕上显示的内容。

It's it's ironic to me because I feel like the way that Gemini has been pitched in the past has been Google understands what's on your screen.

它能智能地读取你手机上正在发生的事情。

It agentically reads what's happening on your phone.

你不需要像苹果那样有那些应用接口。

You don't need to have these app hooks like Apple has.

比如Siri，开发者会构建这些API工具，让Siri能访问这些应用，并智能地帮你操作这些应用。

Like Siri, these developers build in these API tools to make it so Siri can access these apps and agentically use the apps for you.

而谷歌的理念，看起来他们一直在宣传的是，你其实不需要做这些，Gemini 自己就知道发生了什么，它能自己搞定。

And Google's mentality, it seems like what they've been pitching is that you don't really have to do any of this, and Gemini just knows what's happening and it can just figure it out.

对。

Yeah.

但这不是他们用 Gemini 智能和主动协助所推出的东西。

But that's not what they're shipping with Gemini intelligence, proactive assistance.

它非常具体。

It's very specific.

感觉 AI，长期以来梦想中的 AI 就像是，我想要一个了解我一切的个人助理。

It feels like AI, the dream AI for so long is like, I want a personal assistant that knows everything about me.

我见过的每个 AI 都感觉像是你雇了一个个人助理，但每天都是他们的第一天上班，他们太害怕做任何事了。

Every AI that I've seen has felt like you hire the personal assistant and it is their first day every single day where they're way too scared to do anything.

就像你让你的助理去整理购物清单，他们会说，哦，好的，好的，我明白了。

It's like if you ask your assistant to like fix the grocery list, they're like, Oh yeah, yeah, I got that.

你喜欢哪种黄油？

What kind of butter are you like?

哦，我可以买2%的牛奶吗？

Oh, is it okay if I get 2% milk?

哦，好的，没问题。

Oh, okay, cool.

牛排要Prime还是精选？

Prime or select choice steak?

好的。

Okay.

就像它每件事都得问你，感觉就像，我只是有点……

Just like it has to ask you every single thing to that It's like, I'm just kind

这让我想起我在这里工作的第一周，我觉得每件小事都得征求你的同意。

of It reminds crazy me of my first week ever working here, I felt like I had to ask you permission for every single small thing that I wanted to

去做。

do.

所以理论上，过了那个阶段，它就会了解你所有的偏好，然后就会变得非常好用。

So theoretically, there's a time where you get over that hump and it knows all your preferences, and then it's really good.

我想给他们一点肯定。

And I wanna give them a little credit.

对。

Yeah.

因为我宁愿这样，也不希望它直接自作主张。

Because I'd rather that happen than For it just go full sure.

另一方面，谷歌，这有点跑题了，但我第一次注意到谷歌拿了一堆照片，没告诉我就做了换脸处理。

On the other side, Google, this is a little off topic, but I had my first time where Google, at least I noticed, took a stack of photos and did the face swap thing without telling me about it.

哦对，就是那个最佳镜头功能，

Oh yeah, the best take or

我以为最佳镜头只是个选项。

the I thought best take was an option.

我很快拍了三张莱恩和欧文的照片，一张是欧文在看，一张是莱恩在看，然后它又加了一张。

And I took three pictures really quick of Lane and Owen, where one Owen's looking, one's Lane looking, and then it added a third one.

抱歉，我拍了两张，然后它加了第三张。

Sorry, I took two and then added the third one.

我都没注意到，但有个小小的弹窗跳出来，写着“这是最佳照片”。

And I didn't even notice, but this little tiny pop up came that went like, this is the best take.

它用了两张照片。

It's using two photos.

我就想，等等，等等。

And I like, wait, wait, wait.

然后那个弹窗消失了，我又点了一个小图标，就是个图片样子的。

And then that disappeared, and I clicked another little icon that's just like an image.

一个小徽章。

A little badge.

对，一个小徽章。

A little badge, yeah.

它显示它已经这么做了。

And it said it did that.

我就想，我可不想让你这么做。

And I was like, I did not want you to do that.

我没事。

I am fine.

我本来支持那个功能的，如果你要选的话，但别……

I was pro that thing if you're picking it, but don't

别在我没要求的时候做。

Do it without me asking.

对，现在我的相册里那张是假照片，挺搞笑的，就是Lane在Owen脑袋里笑的那张，还模糊的，因为他正在到处乱跑。

Yeah, and now my gallery is the fake photo, which was like, it was kind of funny of the one of Lane smiling in Owen's head in like a blur because he's like ripping around.

有意思的是，这正好是他们发布这个功能时会展示的演示场景——你拍三张照片，其中两张脸是好的。

It's funny because that's the exact demo that they would have given, like when they unveiled that feature was you take three photos and two of them have good faces.

是的。

Yep.

然后让我选。

And let me choose.

然后让我选。

And let me choose.

是的。

Yes.

我们替你选了。

We chose for you.

对。

Yeah.

所以总之，我也不太清楚。

So anyway, I don't know.

我就是觉得那有点奇怪。

I just felt that it was weird.

而Gemini智能生产力助手是这次发布的重头戏。

And the Gemini Intelligence Productive Assistance was a big part of this launch.

而且这功能太特定，可能只对硅谷的两个CEO有用，其他人根本用不上。

And it's just such a specific thing that is probably going to work for two CEOs in Silicon Valley and nobody else.

对。

Yeah.

而且他们会觉得这

And they're going to think it's

是个巨大的成功。

a huge success.

因为它有时候确实能用。

Because it works, kind of, sometimes.

对。

Yeah.

但你说得对，Pro版本其实差别不大。

But your point about the pros just being not that different.

我对相机质量印象很深。

I was very impressed with the camera quality.

我觉得今年相机确实提升了不少。

I feel like the cameras actually got significantly better this year.

它们真的很棒。

They're really good.

它们的相机真的很好用。

They are really good cameras.

我们用的是 Eclipse 模式。

We had the Eclipse.

我们先去了西班牙，然后我又去爱尔兰待了一周，之后就回到这儿了。

We went to Spain, then I went to Ireland for a week, and then I've come back here.

我一直开着 5000 万像素的模式拍，没遇到什么问题，照片质量一直都很棒。

And I've I just left on 50 megapixel mode, and I just haven't really had any issues, and it's just been crushing photos all the time.

不过现在每次拍5000万像素的照片，后台都要处理高清图像，得花上五秒钟。

Although every time you take a 50 megapixel photo now, it has a little thing that's processing high res image that lasts five seconds.

确实需要一点时间。

It takes a little bit.

但是我

But I

通常都是随手拍完就把手机收起来了。

usually am just snapping and then putting my phone away.

所以当

And so when

我稍后再看的时候，照片都在那儿。

I go check it later, it's all there.

确实是这样。

That's true.

没错，确实如此。

So that's true.

你不推荐Pro版，这感觉就像Pixel以前干过这事儿。

This, you not recommending the Pro one feels like Pixel has done this before.

我记得是在七代，六代还是七代来着。

I think on like the seven, the six or the seven.

大家先停一下。

No one stop everybody.

没人给音频听众做这个梗图。

No one made the meme to audio listeners.

但问题是，那时候两款手机都让人觉得挺划算的，我记得那时候Pro的价格差不多就是现在普通版的价格。

But the problem was is back then, both of the phones felt like good deals, where I'm pretty sure the Pro at that point cost as much as the regular does now.

对，大概就是599到899美元的差距。

Yeah, It was I like a $9 or $599 to $899 difference.

这个我记得很清楚。

I remember that specifically.

不过我的说法有点不一样。

My framing was slightly different.

我记得当时，我的说法是——因为这事儿我还挨过骂——我说基础版Pixel太划算了，以至于让那个同样划算的Pro看起来都不划算了。

I remember back then, my framing because I got crap for this, but I was saying the base Pixel is such a good deal that it makes the also good, also good deal Pro look like not a good deal.

因为两款手机摆在一起，你就会想，哎呀，我干嘛要买那个？

Because they're right next to each other, you're like, oh, why would I get that?

这个基础版简直太值了。

This this base one is an incredible deal.

所以大家听了之后就说，你怎么能说Pro不划算呢？

So people heard that, and they were like, why are you calling the Pro a bad deal?

我不是那个意思。

I'm not.

我只是说，跟基础款一比，那个Pro的性价比就显得特别高。

I'm just saying, next to the base one, that's an amazing deal.

对。

Yeah.

到了2026年，我觉得只有基础款Pixel还能勉强算得上划算。

Now in 2026, I'm saying this base Pixel is the only one that I could theoretically call a good enough deal.

而且离基础款越远，性价比就越差。

And then the further you go from that base Pixel, the worse it gets.

明显不划算。

Clearly not a good deal.

不过也没关系，因为2026年的手机可能本来就不划算，毕竟内存短缺。

And it's fine because phones in 2026 are probably just not a good deal in the first place with this RAM shortage.

但就是这样，我们现在的情况就是这样。

But yeah, that's where we're at.

我听到很多人说，到了这个地步，直接买10A就行了。

I heard a lot of people being like, at this point, just buy the 10A.

10A可能跟11差不多。

The 10A is probably close enough to the 11.

对。

Yeah.

是不是说直接买10？

The word just get the 10?

就像

Just like

买个二手的10之类的。

a used 10 or something.

我不知道。

I don't know.

顺便说一句，大家应该多买二手科技产品。

People need to buy more used tech, by the way.

别老是要买最新、最新、最新的，尤其是它们还有七年的软件更新支持。

Need to stop always needing to buy the newest, newest, newest, especially when they get seven years of software updates.

我还觉得挺有意思的，因为你现在去谷歌商店看，我还没找到一个地方直接标价899美元的。

I also find it funny because if you go to the Google store right now, I haven't found a single place that just lists it as eight ninety nine.

它总是写着“原价899美元，现价3.99美元起”，把899划掉。

It always says from $3.99 with $8.99 crossed off.

就像他们在搞什么——

Like they are putting some-

以旧换新嘛。

With trade in.

疯狂的以旧换新，他们就是想让人觉得——其实呢，

Wild trade in and they are just trying to make it seem like- Which

说句公道话，亚当用这个以旧换新，花了49美元就拿到了512GB的Pro。

to be fair, Adam got the five twelve gigabyte pro for $49 by trading in this.

什么？

What?

他用苏黎世换的。

He traded in Zurich for it.

不，就是拿S26 Ultra去换，就能便宜一点，对。

No, just trade in the S26 Ultra and you get a slightly Yeah.

更差

Worse

S26 Ultra，那不是像……

The S26 Ultra, isn't that like a

便宜一定的金额。

X amount off.

而且通过Shopify买还更便宜。

And it was cheaper through the Shopify.

对。

Yeah.

确实便宜。

Was cheap.

如果当时我拿到了那2.56美元，我觉得我还能拿回一些钱。

Had I gotten the $2.56, I think I would have gotten money back.

他们反而得倒贴我钱。

They would have owed me money.

当场就给你现金。

Giving you cash on the spot.

求你了

Please

收下我们的Pixel吧。

take our Pixel.

亚当已经找好了几个庄家，准备打断他的腿。他欠了一笔他自己都不知道的债。

Adam has some bookies ready to break his ankles There's there's he's in debt for something that he doesn't know about.

对。

Yeah.

好吧，他先用那个Pixel两个星期，然后就会拿去换iPhone Fold。

Well, he's gonna have that Pixel for two weeks and then he's gonna trade in for the iPhone Fold.

所以不行。

So No.

因为苹果对Pixel的以旧换新政策不怎么样。

Because Apple doesn't give good trading deals on Pixels.

他们根本不在乎我们。

They don't care about us.

确实。

That's true.

Pixel，他们根本瞧不上Pixel。

The Pixel, they spit on Pixels.

我们会帮你回收那个，

We'll recycle that for

给你。

you.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

我们会免费帮你回收那个。

We'll recycle that for you for free.

好的。

Okay.

关于Pixel，我最后想说的一点是，

Last thing I wanna say about the Pixel,

我只是想拆开看看外观？

I just wanna break up The looks?

不。

No.

不。

No.

不。

No.

相机外观什么的，无所谓。

Camera looks, whatever.

但那个高光功能，我们其实没有深入聊过。

But the the highlight thing, we just we didn't really talk about it substantially.

你有没有注意到，因为高光，闪光灯亮度低了很多？

Did you notice how the flash is way less bright because of highlight?

对。

Yeah.

我直到昨天或者前天才发现这一点。

I didn't notice that until, like, yesterday or the day before.

我本来想用手电筒当照明灯用，对。

I went to use the flashlight as a torch Yeah.

在黑暗里，因为调不了，我把它调到最低，因为你可以调节亮度。

In the dark And because I couldn't I turned it all the way down because you can adjust the brightness.

对。

Yeah.

我当时就想，哇，这灯怎么这么暗。

And I was like, woah, this gets really dim.

然后我又把它调亮了，我正想

And I turned it back up and I was

等等。

like, Wait.

不会吧，不会非常非常

Doesn't get doesn't very very

你觉得这是因为用的LED灯珠少了，还是因为扩散效果太强，让它看起来像是用了更少的LED灯珠？

Do you think that's because it's using less LEDs or because the diffusion is so strong on it to make it seem more Less LEDs.

对，因为现在它把扩散片后面的一大块区域都用来做高光了。

Yeah, because it's now giving a big section of what's behind that diffusion to highlight.

这就不匹配了。

Which doesn't match.

因为通常闪光灯上面会有一个像镜头一样的东西。

Because usually over the flash has this kind of like lens looking.

我能看看那个吗？对，就像

Can I see one of the Yeah, it's like

一张照片？

a photo?

就像你没有

It's like you don't have a

镜头。

lens.

就像一个超级扩散的圆。

It's just like a super diffused circle.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

它更暗了。

It's dimmer.

更暗了，而且高光部分完全没用。

It's dimmer and highlights completely and totally useless.

除非是那些把手机屏幕朝下放，而且经常接到最爱联系人电话的人。

Except for people who have their phone face down and get lots of phone calls from their favorite.

总有人会觉得，哎呀，终于有个我能用的功能了。

There's somebody out there who's like, yay, finally, a feature that I'll use.

但那是

But that's

但如果我接到电话，我能看到这个。

But if I'm getting a phone call, can see this.

我从来不会把手机屏幕朝下放。

I never have my phone face down.

我不知道，兄弟。

I don't know, man.

我经常把手机屏幕朝下放，但我根本不接电话。

Have my phone face down a lot, but I don't get phone calls at all.

比如我接到电话，那肯定是骚扰电话。

Like if I get a phone call, it's a spam call.

我，我的

I My

我给马奎斯提的这个评测开场创意是，他把他妈妈设置成绿色或者其他什么颜色，这样他工作的时候就不会错过她的电话。

pitch to Marques for an intro skit for this review was him like setting up his mom as like the color green or whatever, so that he never misses her calls whenever he's working.

然后就是他在各种场景下工作，手机屏幕一直不亮，一直不亮。

And it's just him working in all these scenarios and it's never blinking, never blinking.

最后终于亮了，他就说，哦，我妈打电话来了。

And then it finally lights up and he's like, oh, my mom's calling.

他接起来，她说，我给你发了三个小时短信了。

And he picks up and she goes, I've been texting you for three hours.

你在哪里？

Where are you?

为什么

Why have

你不接电话？

you not answered?

对。

Yeah.

我只有在和朋友吃饭或喝酒时才会把手机屏幕朝下放，这是一种尊重的表现。

The only time I have my phone face down is when I'm like getting dinner or a drink with a friend, and it's like a sign of respect to put your phone face down.

对。

Yeah.

这是做做样子。

It's performative.

这是做做样子。

It's performative.

我把它从

I take it out of

口袋里拿出来，然后屏幕朝下放在

my pocket and I put it face down on

桌子上。

the table.

真的。

Literally.

这跟放在口袋里没什么区别。

It's not different than keeping it in your pocket.

这就是做样子。

It's performative.

对。

Yeah.

真有意思。

That's funny.

所以，总之，

So anyway,

这就是我想说的。

that's all I wanted to say.

嗯，有人拆解过，发现里面所有的LED都是RGB的。

Well, there was a tear down and they found that all of the LEDs inside it are RGB.

那为什么？

So why?

这就是我们在西班牙播客里讨论的那个问题，红色不在颜色列表里，但按理说应该在。

So that was the thing that we were talking about on the pod in Spain, which is that red isn't one of the colors, which seems like it should be.

而且它本来可以有的。

And it could be.

而且绝对可以有的。

And it absolutely could be.

对。

Yeah.

他们就是没把它做成其中一种颜色。

They just didn't make it one of the colors.

真奇怪。

So strange.

有人用AI随便写了个应用，比如一个提醒灯应用，用来亮灯提示通知什么的。

Somebody vibe coded like a, like a highlight app that makes it light up for notifications and stuff.

他们让你随便选颜色，包括红色。

They let you choose whatever color you want, including red.

所以我不明白谷歌为什么这么讨厌红色。

So I don't know why Google is so against red.

对。

Yeah.

但他们就是不喜欢红色。

But they just hate red.

这不就是那种情况吗？一家市值好几万亿美元的公司，宣布了这个新功能。

Isn't one of those things where like, this is like a multi, multi trillion dollar company, and they've announced this new feature.

有时候就像汽车那样，你会想，哦，外面有个改装车圈子，他们会说，哦，我们有不同的弹簧硬度和不同的配件，能让车变得更好。

And sometimes there's like a like in cars, this happens, where you'd be like, oh, there's a tuner community out there who's like, oh, we have different spring rates and different accessories for the car to make it better.

然后你会想，你觉得你知道什么宝马不知道的东西吗？

And you're like, what do you think you know that BMW doesn't know?

你真的能把车做得比原厂还好吗？

Are you really going to make a car better than the manufacturer?

然后你会想，是啊，可能不行，但这就是我们喜欢的方式。

And you're like, yeah, probably not, but it's just the way we like it.

但到了这部手机，我们却觉得，对，我们要把它做得比谷歌想象的还要好得多，因为他们居然完全错过了它本来可能有的75%的功能。

But then we get to this phone, and we're like, yeah, we're going to make it way better than Google ever thought to make it, because somehow they completely missed like 75% of the functionality that this could have had.

而且是一夜之间，顺便说一句。

Overnight, by the way.

就像，有人用AI编程搞出来的。

Like, someone vibe coded this.

我就觉得

I'm like

一天之内。

In a day.

如果他们能快速搞定，为什么谷歌不直接加个功能？现在他们又说，我们在考虑给短信和谷歌消息加功能。

If they vibe coded it, why couldn't Google just add like a and now they're like, we're thinking about adding functionality for text messages and Google messages.

我就想，什么？

I'm like, what?

谷歌的工作方式就是这样，某个人说了句话，然后他们用某种方式说出来，希望能传到负责实现的工程团队那里。

The way that Google works, somebody at Google said that, and then they said it in a way that hopefully it would get back to the engineering team that is supposed to make that happen.

因为他们甚至都不……

Because they don't even

对，他们甚至都不知道？

Yeah, they don't even know?

他们彼此都不沟通。

They don't even talk to each other.

他们甚至不知道那个人是谁。

They don't even know who that guy is.

所以那个团队看到之后就会想，哦，我应该让这个和Google Messages兼容吗？

And so that team's going to see it and they'll be like, oh, I should make this work with Google Messages?

好的。

Okay.

然后还有30层红色警告。

Then there's 30 layers of red text.

然后

And then

他们还得

they'll have

批准它。

to approve it.

然后还有另一栋楼的人，他们都在想，Google Messages是什么？

And there's just like another building of people who are like, what's Google messages?

我以为我们还有七个其他的消息应用呢。

I thought we had seven other messages.

我以为

I thought

我们用的是Hangouts，对。

we used Hangouts, yeah.

这个应用不能只换颜色。

App couldn't just change the colors.

它可以做不同的应用

It could do different apps

做

doing

像不同的，它什么都能做。

like different it could do everything.

公平地说，它得侧载才行。

To be fair, it had to be like sideloaded.

而且我记得我读到过，每次重启手机，你都得重启那个应用，或者它看起来非常复杂。

And I thought I read that every time you rebooted your phone, you had to reboot the app It or seemed very complicated.

就是

It's

真的，那个叫Shizuku的应用，我觉得就是它让你能安装这类应用。

really with Shizuku, I think it's called, is that app that lets you install apps like these.

这很烦人，而且很难搞，

It's annoying and difficult for

我花了大概一个半小时。

It took me like an hour and a half.

我老是走到安德鲁那儿，说，好了，现在给我发短信。

I kept walking over to Andrew like, okay, text me now.

然后我就把手机放在他桌上，他发短信过来，手机就震动，但什么都没发生，从来就没成功过。

And I just put the phone down on his desk and he would text me and it would vibrate and nothing would It never worked.

他可能会

He'd be

说，真见鬼。

like, damn it.

我们最后还是搞定了。

We got to work eventually.

对。

Yeah.

但这更像是在向我们证明，所有那些功能本来都可以在这部手机上实现，尤其是当你就是造这部手机的人，而且还能……

But it was more to us proof that all of the things could have happened on this phone, especially when you are the person who makes the phone and could

嗯，想想看，如果谷歌不是一家市值数万亿美元的公司，他们可能早就看到这种反弹，然后一两天内就把它搞定了。

Well, have think a if couple Google was not a multi trillion dollar company, they could have seen this backlash and then like made it work within a day or two.

他们社区一直很好。

They have had really good community.

那会是很好的公关。

That'd be great PR

看到。

to see.

那会是绝佳的公关，比如说：你们说得对，我们听到了，我们下周就发布更新，包含所有这些功能。

It would have been amazing PR to be like, your guys are right, we heard you, we're releasing an update next week that has all this functionality.

Highlight 感觉就像，他们真的测试过吗？

Highlight feels like a true did they even test this?

他们测过。

They did

完全没有。

not at all.

通常公司在推出重大功能时，都会有内部焦点小组。

Usually when companies are launching big features, they have internal focus groups.

他们会提前在公司内部进行各种测试，确保没有遗漏，并且确保产品会按照他们预期的客户使用方式来使用。

They have all sorts of testing that they do ahead of time with groups inside the company to make sure they're not missing anything, and it'll be used the way they think customers will use it.

这个显然没做到。

This didn't get that, clearly.

我甚至不想怪工程师，因为这太明显了，我不得不假设某个工程师接了个任务，比如“我来给这五种颜色设置默认值”。

I don't even want to blame engineers because it seems so obvious that I have to assume one engineer got the job of like, oh, I'm going to make the defaults for these five colors.

就像，肯定还有别人在做色轮。

Like, someone else must be working on the color wheel.

我的工作大概就是负责收藏夹或者默认设置。

Like, my job must just be the favorites or the default.

颜色轮盘是别人负责的。

Someone else has the color wheel.

你知道最疯狂的是什么吗？

You know what's crazy?

等着看最终版功能吧。

Wait to see the finished feature.

在我们的体验活动上，他们墙上挂了一个巨大的像素相机条。

At our hands on event, they had a giant pixel camera bar on the wall.

你可以按一个大按钮，它就会用Gemini的颜色让高亮发光。

You could hit a big button and it would make highlight glow with the Gemini colors.

道具设计师做了很多

The prop designer did a lot

工作。

of work.

他们干得不错。

They got a good job.

市场团队看了提案后说，好的，我们会把它做得好看。

Marketing team saw the pitch and was like, Oh yeah, we'll make this look cool.

我们有没有搞清楚那个色轮滤镜到底是什么？

Did we ever get any clarity into like the color wheel filter?

没有，不是那个。

No, it wasn't that.

那是一个LED灯圈，每个LED都是RGB的。

It's a circle of LED lights and each of those LEDs are RGB.

对。

Yeah.

不是色轮滤镜。

It's not the color wheel filter.

不是。

It's not.

被你猜中了。

You got me.

谢谢大家。

Thank you everyone.

不客气。

You're welcome.

你知道我对这个的阴谋论是什么吗？

You know my conspiracy theory for this?

什么？

What?

我觉得他们是在为Pixel Drop留一手。

I think they're saving it for a pixel drop.

哥们，有新DLC了。

Dude, there's new DLC.

一个功能

A feature

就像，哦，看看这个。

to be like, oh, look at this.

然后两个月后，比如十二月，你的手机又多了一个新功能。

And a whole new thing your phone can do in two months, like in December.

它叫 Red。

I It's called Red.

它叫 Red。

It's called Red.

我觉得他们应该，虽然我可能不是专家。

I think they should have, and this is maybe I'm not the expert.

我不在谷歌工作，但我觉得他们应该让这个功能支持短信、电话，还有很多其他应用。

I don't work for Google, but I think they should have made this work for messages, phone calls, a whole bunch of other apps.

应该有很多颜色和很多自定义选项。

You should have a bunch of colors and a bunch of customization.

然后在 Pixel 和未来的更新中，可以听听其他人想用它做什么更有创意的事情，那些显然不是常规的功能，然后我们再加进去。

And then in pics and future drops, can hear what other people would like to be able to do with it that's more creative, that wouldn't obviously be stuff and that we think then add that later.

在Nexus时代，想怎么折腾都行。

The Nexus days, could do whatever the hell

从第一款Nexus就有的那个发光轨迹球。

we The glowing trackball from literally the first Nexus

这个开启。

This on

X，S，第一款Nexus。

X, the S, the very first Nexus.

那挺好的。

That was good.

我觉得更让人恼火的是，谷歌自己就搞过那种奇怪的东西，是不是在IO大会上，他们放了一堆片段，有个家伙在镜子里拿着他的Pixel，我们都以为Pixel Glow会出现在相机条周围。

I think what makes this more frustrating is Google themselves kind of did that weird, was it in IO where they showed a bunch of like clips and there was the guy in the mirror holding his Pixel, and we all thought Pixel Glow was going be around the camera bar.

所以我们

So we

都觉得那会特别酷。

were all like, that's gonna be so nuts.

然后那就是我们的预期。

And then that was our expectation.

结果现在变成了一个小点，我们觉得，好吧，还是通知灯。

Now we went down to just little dot and we were like, okay, it's still notification LED.

它也可以很酷。

It can be sick.

结果他们只给了我们五种颜色的来电提醒。

And then they gave us a five color call only

而我的看法是，Pixel Glow 这个功能，提前六个月就被泄露了。

And that's my thing is that the Pixel Glow thing has been, it was leaked like six months early.

他们有那么多时间

They had so much time

好几个月。

And months.

来给这个功能添加任何功能。

To add any function functionality to this.

六个月里，他们就在想，要不要加个绿色？

And for six months, they were like, should we add green?

什么

What

如果你怎么

if you How

黄色？

yellow?

什么

What's

你最喜欢的颜色是什么？

your favorite color?

白色。

White.

如果你不看屏幕，跟Gemini说话怎么办？

What if you're talking to Gemini without looking at your screen?

他们只关心这个。

That's all they care about.

你说到点子上了。

You hit the nail in the head.

他们不想要LED通知灯。

They don't want LED notification.

没人那么做。

Nobody does that.

我有时会用Gemini语音模式，但我喜欢在使用时看着屏幕上的内容。

Want I sometimes use Gemini voice mode, but I like to see what it says on the screen while I'm using it.

也许这正是谷歌对Pixel的想法的体现，那就是它只是Gemini的一个载体。

Maybe this is the proxy for exactly how Google thinks about the Pixel, which is it's just a vessel for Gemini.

如果你把手机屏幕朝上放在房间另一头，然后说‘嘿，G’，看到灯亮了，你就会觉得，好吧。

And if you if you put this phone across the room face up and you say, hey, gee, then you see the the light turn on, you're like, alright.

我在跟它说话，然后它就在回应。

I'm talking to it, and then it's responding.

但他们肯定认为人们经常和Gemini对话，所以即使手机屏幕朝下，他们还是想确保它能听到用户说话，于是在背面加了一个小灯，让大家都知道，好的，我正在和Gemini对话，手机现在是屏幕朝下的。

But they must believe that people are talking to Gemini so often that when it's face down, they still want to make sure it's hearing them, so they add a little light on the back so we can make sure everyone knows, okay, I'm talking to Gemini, it's face down now.

这就是他们认为的

That's the thing that they think

至少这是他们想要的用户行为。

It's at least the user behavior they want.

对。

Yeah.

我一直在想，他们其实是在回归Google Home那种环境计算的概念，现在AI只是让环境计算运转起来的一个载体。

I've thought a lot about, like, they're kind of getting back to their whole ambient computing thing with Google Home, and now the AI is just a vessel to make the ambient computing work.

因为他们发布了新的智能音箱之类的产品，而且他们试图在你的生活中放置更多可以跟Gemini互动的界面。

Because they've released a new smart speaker and everything, and they're trying to put more surfaces in your life that you can interact with Gemini through.

所以让手机成为其中一个界面，并且让你随时能看到自己正在和Gemini互动，这很合理。

So it makes sense to have your phone be one of those surfaces and have you be able to actually see when you're interacting with Gemini all the time.

只是我觉得这不是人们会自然采取的用户互动方式。

It's just that I just don't think that that's a user interaction that people do naturally.

我的手机很少会翻过来放，比如

My phone is so rarely phased out like

这样。

this.

而且如果

And if

你的手机像

your phone like

你说“嘿，G”的时候屏幕会亮起来，那没问题。

lights up when you say, Hey, G, on the screen, that's not a problem.

我不明白为什么要把它翻过来放。

Like, don't see why would you have it phased out.

我不知道。

I don't know.

就像，也许你在家说“嘿，G”的时候，你能分辨出你是在跟手机说话，还是跟你的

It's like maybe if you say, hey, G at your house, you can tell if you're speaking to your phone or your