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你知道吗？

You know?

人们之所以在每一部三星手机上都安装了Nova，是因为原生界面太差了。

People installed Nova on every single Samsung phone because of how bad It's me.

我用的是Whistle。

I touch Whistle.

是的。

Yeah.

我的是Yeah。

My Yeah.

抱歉。

Sorry.

我手机上现在就用着Nova。

Have Nova on my phone right now.

你真的在用吗？

Do you really?

对于那些不知道的人，因为现在很多人不用启动器了。

For people that don't know because, like, a lot of people don't use launchers these days.

Nova Launcher 基本上就是一个可以在手机上运行的原生 Android 启动器。

Nova Launcher was basically like a stock Android launcher that you could run on your phone.

不知道启动器是什么的人，也就是

People that don't know what launchers are, which is

现在我们的观众中很多人又回到了原生界面。

was just back on lot our audience now.

主屏幕、应用抽屉、所有页面以及设置方式都会非常不同，尤其是在不同手机之间的视觉体验上。

The home screen and the app drawer and all the pages and the setup would feel very different, especially visually between different types of phones.

所以像三星手机就会有很多花里胡哨的触控特效。

So like a Samsung phone would have all this bloop bloop touch bloop happening.

而 HTC 手机则会有他们著名的——抱歉，

And then an HTC phone would have like their famous I'm sorry,

那是什么来着？

what was it?

然后

Then

老实说，我们都更喜欢简洁、原生安卓风格的启动器。

and honestly, we all kind of prefer just a clean looking, stockish Android looking launcher.

所以如果你用的是Bloop Bloop TouchWiz，你就会安装Nova Launcher，它会让界面变得清爽多了，体验也更好。

And so if you got Bloop Bloop TouchWiz, you would put Nova Launcher on it and it would feel so much cleaner and it would be nicer.

那是Nova Launcher的黄金时代。

That was the golden days of Nova Launcher.

Nova本质上就是Nexus的界面，但还多了更多设置选项。

Nova was effectively the Nexus UI, but it had even more settings toggles.

而且可以自定义。

And custom.

太棒了。

So good.

说到手机体验的巅峰，我最怀念的是我的Note 8配上Nova Launcher的时候。

I'm most nostalgic about my Note eight with Nova Launcher on in terms of my peak phone experience.

这就是为什么我如此喜欢谷歌版HTC手机，因为所有功能都已经内置了。

Which is why I was so into the Google Play edition HTC phones, because it was all there already.

天啊，我现在只是在回忆往事。

Man, I'm just reminiscing now.

所以，现在它似乎将变成一个令人失望的、 corporate 的空壳。

So yeah, now it's going to be a sad corporate shell of itself, it seems like.

这有点让人失望。

That's kind of disappointing.

我实际上开始使用Niagara启动器了

I actually started using Niagara launcher

一点点

a little

更多了，我看到有几个人也在用，感觉挺有意思的。

more, which I've seen a couple other people using as It's kind of interesting.

风格有点不同，但确实如此。

A little different style, but yeah.

风格非常不同，

Very different style,

对吧？

isn't it?

是的。

Yeah.

我前几天在想，Niagara 简直就像那种功能简单的手机启动器。

I I was thinking the other day about how Niagara is kinda the the dumb phone kinda launcher.

因为它只是把你的应用以垂直列表的形式展示出来，只有文字。

Because it just it lists your app in a vertical orientate your apps in a vertical orientation with just the text.

所以没有任何大图标让你点击操作。

So there's nothing there's no big icons to, like, click around on.

它就是非常实用主义的设计。

It's just, like, very utilitarian.

没错。

Yep.

顺便说一下，这对折叠手机非常合适。

So it's very good for folding phones, by the way.

因为当你打开像那种汉堡式折叠手机时。

Because when you open like a, well, like a hamburger style folding phone.

当你打开Z Flip 6之类的手机时，它的长宽比更长，所以应用会垂直向下延伸。

Because when you open the Z Flip six or whatever, it's got the longer aspect ratio, so it waterfalls down.

三折展开。

Triple fold out.

垂直方向，你的所有应用都分布得到处都是。

Vertically, like all your apps are everywhere.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

有趣。

Fun.

所以，Nova完了，真让人难过。

So, RIP Nova, that sucks.

好吧。

Okay.

索尼，这周其实是个大新闻，有点出人意料。

Sony, this is a big story this week actually, which a bit surprising.

人们对于索尼布拉维亚电视感情非常强烈，尽管没人买得起。

People are very, very emotional about Sony Bravia TVs, though nobody could ever afford them.

索尼宣布将与TCL合作成立一个新部门。

Sony announced that it is developing a division that joins forces with TCL to start a new venture.

基本上，这是两家公司共同创立的一家新企业，索尼将持有该公司49%的股份。

Basically, it's like a new company that the two are starting together where Sony is going to own 49% of the company.

TCL将持有该公司51%的股份。

TCL is going to own 51 of the company.

但这还没最终确定。

And it's not, it hasn't gone through yet.

目前他们只有一份谅解备忘录，这很符合日本式计划的风格。

Right now they just have a memorandum of understanding, which is a very Japanese Concepts thing to of a plan.

计划的构想。

Concepts of a plan.

这正是它的本质。

That's exactly what it is.

这就是计划的构想。

It's concepts of a plan.

他们基本上正在讨论这个合作将如何运作。

They're basically in talks about how this is going to work.

所以我真不清楚他们为什么现在就公开宣布了。

So I'm not really sure why they announced it publicly yet.

但《The Verge》的约翰·希金斯写了一篇非常详尽的文章谈这件事。

But there's a very, very thorough article by John Higgins at The Verge about this.

他从事电视行业报道长达二十年，你真该去读读他的文章。

He spent twenty years covering TV, so you should really go read his article.

他在文章中提到，在达成任何具有法律约束力的协议之前，仍然还有几个月的时间，并且此事还必须通过监管审批才能实施。

And he says in the article, there are still a couple of months before any binding agreements are drawn up and it still has to go through regulatory approval before it can happen.

所以这还没完成。

So it's not complete.

即使最终通过，新公司也要到2027年4月才会正式生效。

Even if it does pass, the new company won't go into effect until April 2027.

但无论如何，这可能会导致索尼布拉维亚电视由TCL代工生产。如果你仔细分析一下这些电视的生产流程，真正让索尼布拉维亚电视品质出众的，并不是他们使用的面板，因为他们自己并不生产面板。

But anyway, effectively this could lead to the Sony Bravia TVs being manufactured by TCL, which if you sort of break down how the production pipeline of these TVs work anyway, what actually makes a Sony Bravia TV really high quality is not the panel they're using, because they don't make the panels.

面板是由LG、TCL这些公司制造的。

The panels are made by LG and TCL and these guys.

真正关键的是他们的系统芯片和图像处理技术。

It's really their SOC and their image pipeline.

所以理论上，如果索尼允许TCL使用他们的系统芯片和图像处理技术，而TCL负责生产制造，那么人们家里就可能看到价格便宜很多的布拉维亚电视，因为布拉维亚电视是目前最昂贵的电视。

So theoretically, if Sony allows TCL to use their SoCs and image pipeline, TCL uses their resources for manufacturing, You could theoretically see much cheaper Bravia TVs in people's homes, because Bravias are the most expensive TVs that you can get.

它们确实很棒，但价格也确实很高。

They're really good, but they're really expensive.

索尼，我已经很久没去CES了，但CES就是大屏幕，所有人都在看我们。

Sony, it's been a while since I've been to CES, but CES being the big screen, everyone look at us.

索尼总是这样，他们不做卷曲或折叠屏，但就是会让人惊叹：天啊，这些电视看起来真棒。

Sony's always like, they're not doing rolling or folding or anything, but they are like, damn, these look so good.

然后你离开CES后就会想，我再也不想明年听到索尼电视来CES，再看一遍那只豹子脸上的每一根毛发了。

And then you leave CES and you're like, I'm not going to hear about a Sony TV to come to CES next year and look at that all the hairs on that panther's face again.

是的。

Yeah.

比如在黑暗的房间里。

Like in a dark room.

对。

Yeah.

LG搞了个折叠电视隧道，像水族馆一样，而索尼就只是索尼。

LG's got like the tunnel of foldable TVs that makes this like aquarium and Sony's just like Sony's

就是一间黑暗的房间，摆着六台电视，播放着你见过的画质最高的视频。

just like a dark room with like six TVs showing you the highest quality video you've ever seen.

是的。

Yeah.

然后你就再也看不到它了。

Then you never see it again.

是的。

Yeah.

所以我不确定。

So I don't know.

很多人在谈论这个。

A lot of people are talking about this.

我想我太年轻了，不记得这件事了，这话说出来我不太常见，因为我们现在都被认为是老一辈了。

I guess I'm a little bit too young to remember this, which is something I don't usually say because we're considered old now.

是的。

Yeah.

但人们在社交媒体上经常讨论，如果你走进朋友家，看到墙上挂着一台索尼电视，那曾经是多么了不起的事。

But people have been talking a lot about, on social media, about how big of a deal it was if you walked into your friend's house and they had a Sony TV on the wall.

是的。

Yeah.

就像，没错，因为电视经历了好几代，每一代都带来了巨大影响。

Like, yeah, because there's generations of TVs that make a big impact.

比如当年的等离子电视。

Like the plasma TV stuff back in the day.

如果你的朋友家有一台等离子电视，你会觉得：哇，厉害。

If you had a friend with a plasma TV, it was like, woah, okay.

这挺不错的。

That's nice.

取决于那是多久以前，如果你只是有一台挂在墙上的电视，就已经很令人印象深刻了。

Depending on how long ago, if you just had a TV on the wall, that was impressive.

我只是真的

I'm just really

到现在一样都没用过，所以没什么变化。

still have none of those things, so nothing's changed.

现在有些大学生真的把电视当电脑显示器用。

Now there are people actually in college that use a TV as a computer monitor.

确实如此。

That's true.

因为屏幕很大，但价格更便宜。

Cause it's a huge screen, but it's cheaper.

在黑色星期五，只要100美元。

And on Black Friday, like a $100.

是的。

Yeah.

比如49英寸1080p的屏幕，只要7美元。

Like 1080p 49 inches screen for like $7 Yeah.

这完全可行。

That's gonna work.

我就打算这么干。

Gonna do that.

这对我来说已经足够好了。

It's good enough for me.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

我会问问埃利斯的看法，但他对电视一无所知。

I'd ask Ellis's thoughts, but he knows nothing about TVs.

他可不是电视专家。

Not the TV guy.

在电视还能挂在墙上之前。

Before TVs could even go on walls.

托尼，托尼。

Tony, Tony.

托尼，电视专家。

Tony, the TV guy.

你们知道吗

Do you guys

索尼其实是安东尼的缩写？

know that Sony is short for Anthony?

那是个关于托尼的笑话。

That was a Tony joke.

好吧。

Okay.

托尼是什么？

What's Tony?

哦，安东尼。

Oh, Anthony.

安东尼。

Anthony.

总之，以前电视

Anyway, before TVs

我能发出那样的声音吗。

could I sound like that.

这很不错。

That's pretty good.

在电视可以挂在墙上之前，索尼通过特丽珑技术为显像管做出了标志性贡献。

Before TVs could go on walls, Sony made like the defining contribution to the CRT with Trinitron.

特丽珑。

Trinitron.

是那个去日本的人拍了那段视频，那是个索尼吗？

Was it a Sony that that guy who like went to Japan made that video that was a Sony.

对吧？

Right?

是的。

Yeah.

只是看着他多么渴望那台电视，我就明白了索尼有多重要

Just watching how bad he wanted that TV makes me understand how big Sony

是。

was.

关键是

The gist of

意思是，CRT 显示器非常好，彩色 CRT 也非常好。

it is that CRTs were really good and color CRTs were really good.

然后索尼改变了彩色处理的方式。

And then Sony changed the way that the color processing worked.

这使得索尼电视的亮度比市场上其他所有电视高出大约 50%。

That essentially allowed Sony TVs to be 50 ish percent brighter than all other TVs on the market.

所以这不像现在的 CES，那里只是说，你能多看到几根美洲豹的毛发。

And so it wasn't like CES now, where it's like, oh, you can see a few more hairs on the Panthers.

你会走进商店，发现所有的电视都很差。

You'd go into a store and be oh, all the TVs are bad.

然后只有索尼的电视不一样。

And then there's the Sony.

该死。

Damn.

但它的价格是三倍。

But it costs three times as much.

在索尼开始将这项技术授权给其他公司之前，它的价格一直更高。

It cost more until Sony started licensing the technology out to other companies.

然后你就有了钻石显像管。

Then you got Diamond Tron.

我不知道。

And I don't know.

谁在乎

Who cares about

那时候有很多显像管。

A lot of trons back then.

这些名字真难记。

Those names are tough.

是的

Yeah.

Pegatron

Pegatron.

是的

Yeah.

机械战警

Megatron.

Pegatron

Pegatron.

显像管

Trinitron.

机械战警

Megatron.

再讲一个快速的小故事，真的很快。

One more quick more quick story really quickly.

说到广告，Threads 将从下周开始在全球推出广告。

Speaking of ads, Threads is rolling out ads globally starting next week.

太好了。

Yay.

Threads。

Threads.

之前不是有很多报道称 Threads 即将超越 Twitter 和移动端用户吗？

Wasn't there just a bunch of stories about how Threads was just about to overtake Twitter and mobile use?

他们确实已经超越了 Twitter 的移动端用户。

They just did overtake Twitter and mobile users.

但在总活跃用户数量上，他们仍然远远落后于 Twitter。

They're still way behind them, like total active users.

我看到了那些头条新闻，心想：但他们只是把 Threads 嵌入了 Instagram 啊。

Saw all those headlines, I'm like, but they're just putting threads in Instagram.

那他们真的能这么说吗？

So can they really say that?

他们是在统计这个吗？

Like, they counting that?

我认为是指那个独立应用，但关于Instagram里的Threads，问题是只要你点击它，就会自动跳转到应用商店下载。

I think it's the actual app, but the thing about the Instagram threads is that once you click on it, it automatically takes you to the app store to download it.

然后你甚至都不用注册账号。

And then you don't even have to make an account.

所以我认为他们轻松地把大量用户推给了Threads并完成了注册。

So I think the amount of people that they've just easily unloaded on the threads onboarded

那正是那些报道所指的内容。

on That's like more of the stories.

Instagram把大量用户推给了Threads。

Instagram has unloaded a bunch of people onto threads.

两者都是。

Both Yeah.

它们都在争夺如何在文章标题中制造最引人注目的数据。

Of them are a battle over how can we have the most impressive numbers in an article headline.

是的。

Yeah.

我想我对用户没那么感兴趣，我更关心的是使用情况。

I guess I'm not as interested in users as much as I'm interested in usage.

这有道理。

That's fair.

是的。

Yeah.

比如，你可能有一大堆用户，但他们根本不用。

Like you could have a bunch of users that don't use it.

我讨厌这两个平台的使用情况。

I hate the usage on both of them.

我觉得Threads还处于拉互动的阶段，但已经开始有所进展了

I think Threads is still in its engagement farming days, but it's starting to get a

社交媒体平台还在搞互动收割吗？

little social media platforms still just engagement farming?

好吧，我会为你支付，是的，没错。

Well, will pay you for Yes, it yeah.

但这是不同类型的参与度收割。

But different types of engagement farming.

是的。

Yeah.

比如在YouTube上，有一种复杂的参与度收割方式。

Like on YouTube, there's like sophisticated engagement farming.

我们就是这么做的。

That's what we do.

或者Venmo的艺术性参与度收割。

Or Venmo artistic engagement farming.

艺术性的。

Artistic.

Venmo，Vimeo。

Venmo, Vimeo.

威尼莫？

Venmo?

我的意思是，

I mean,

威尼莫也可以用。

it also works with Venmo.

你没错。

You're not wrong.

是的，EZ Pass 就是

Yeah, EZ Pass is just

就像为汽车做的互动刷量。

like engagement farming for cars.

所以啊，Threads 现在已经到了这个地步，我的意思是，我现在在 Threads 上收到的内容已经相当个性化了，但里面还是充斥着品牌内容。

So yeah, Threads is in its like I mean, I'm getting custom content now at this point on Threads that seems pretty tailored to me, but it's still full of also brands.

我在这边的 Threads 上过得非常好。

I've been living great on threads over here, over on this side.

Threads 上的内容不错。

Good stuff on threads.

Threads 上的内容不错。

Good stuff on threads.

问题是，当你在一条帖子上多停留了四分之一秒，算法就会觉得：我们再推荐点类似的，但你其实根本不想看更多。

The problem is when you hang on a post for a quarter second longer than you should, and then the algorithm's like, we got more that, And you just don't, you just don't want more.

所以我们现在

So we're

每个人在Threads上都会看到广告了。

gonna have in, so everyone gets ads and threads now.

是的。

Yeah.

他们刚开始缓慢推出。

They started rolling out very slowly.

但从下周开始，他们将全球范围内全面推广。

But now they're rolling them out globally starting next week.

他们表示，广告投放量在接下来几个月内实现全球用户覆盖时，最初会保持在较低水平。

They say that the ad delivery will initially initially specific word remain low as they reach global user availability in the coming months.

最初会保持在较低水平。

Initially remain low.

所以准备好迎接所有这些广告吧，宝贝。

So get ready for all those ads, baby.

说实话，这件事发生的速度比我想象的要快。

That happened quicker than I thought it would, to be honest.

是的。

Yeah.

真的吗？

Really?

对。

Yeah.

我以为他们会等到平台变得相当有主导性之后，才会开始投放广告。

I thought it would take, I thought they would wait till they were like pretty dominant before they started turning on the ad.

我觉得他们已经相当有主导地位了。

I think they are pretty dominant.

我以为他们会等到去中心化之后再行动。

I thought they'd wait till they federated.

是的。

Yeah.

事情已经结束了。

They're it's over.

他们不再去中心化了。

They're not federating anymore.

我们通过Threads实现了单向联邦，而这只对他们有利。

We got one way federation through threads and it only benefits them.

广告会通过联邦网络吗？

Ads go through the federvers?

只有当

Only if

可能不会。

Probably not.

他们之前是联邦的吗？

They were federated?

他们也被发布了。

They're posted too.

我有个绝妙的商业点子。

I've got a great business idea.

好吧，既然这样，我宁愿聊个趣味问答，而不是继续为广告感到沮丧。

Well, with that, I'd rather talk about a trivia question than be more depressed about advertising.

先聊趣味问答，然后再谈广告。

Trivia, and then we'll get to the ads.

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布拉维亚。

Bravia.

索尼布拉维亚。

Sony Bravia.

伙计们，布拉维亚是什么？我只是在开玩笑。

Guys, what does Bravia I'm just kidding.

我们已经做过这个了。

We've already done that.

玻利维亚。

Bolivia.

而且我们还是会全都答错。

And we'd still all get it wrong.

记得我之前说过。

Remember I either.

那整个词BRAVIA是个缩写吗？

That was a whole acronym, BRAVIA?

是的，那是个脑筋急转弯。

Yeah, was a trivia question.

我记得。

I remember it.

哇，这太疯狂了。

Wow, that's crazy.

哦，这是个后构词，对吧？

Oh, it's a backronym, right?

对。

Right.

后构词。

Backronym.

完美的呼应。

Beautiful resonance.

绝对没错。

Absolutely.

分辨率音频视频。

Resolution audio video.

我想我当时没听那一集，因为我记得是在车里听的，当时还在琢磨这个问题。

I think I wasn't here for that episode because I remember listening to this in the car and trying to figure it out.

是的。

Yeah.

总之。

Anyway.

好吧，他们那些笨拙的笔记本电脑也挺蠢的。

Well, and their stupid laptops also had the dumb.

总之，各位，这个问题是关于ChatGPT在GO套餐中添加广告的，顺便说一下，给GO套餐点个赞，我以前认识的一个人，他的一首歌是我最爱的歌曲之一。

Anyway, guys, this question is about ChatGPT adding ads to the GO tier, which, by the way, shout out to the GO tier, somebody that I used to know is one of my favorite songs of all time.

天哪。

Oh, my god.

谢谢，马奎斯。

Thanks, Marques.

那太糟糕了。

That was horrible.

等等，我正在努力。

Wait, I'm trying

你不应该为此感到自豪。

you should not be proud

真的。

of that.

哦，山羊胡。

Oh, goatee.

等等。

Wait.

那真的很棒。

That was really good.

哦。

Oh.

等等。

Wait.

实际上

Actually

当埃利斯累了的时候，他反而状态很好。

When Ellis is tired, he's on.

我更喜欢那种不安的风格。

I like the antsyndritch better.

我觉得那个不好。

I thought that one was a bad.

别留胡子。

No goatee.

等等。

Wait.

谢谢，大卫。

That's Thanks, David.

你在做饭呢，爱丽丝。

You're cooking, Alice.

我喜欢。

I love it.

谢谢。

Thank you.

各位，好吧。

Guys, Okay.

正如你们提到的，2024年萨姆·阿尔特曼曾说，添加广告是最后的手段。

So as you mentioned, in 2024, Sam Altman said that adding ads was a last resort.

而在2026年1月，官方宣布将添加广告。

And in January 2026, ads got announced that they would be added.

所以我想问你们，哪个耗时更短？

So my question to you guys is what took a shorter amount of time?

是萨姆·阿尔特曼从说不会添加广告到说要添加广告之间的时间，还是谷歌Stadia从发布到取消之间的时间？

The time between Sam Altman saying there would not be ads and saying there would be ads, or the time between Google Stadia being released and canceled.

发布了？

Released?

还没公布。

Not announced.

就像从货架上直接拿走就完成了。

Like from shelf to done.

负延迟。

Negative latency.

哇。

Wow.

哪个更快？

What was quicker?

Stadia 真的是个很棒的东西。

Stadia is such, such, it's such a cool thing.

我到现在还看到一些文章说，Stadia 控制器丢了什么的，但别担心。

I'm still seeing articles about like the Stadia controller lost this, but don't worry.

这是如何找回它的方法。

Here's how to like, get it back.

我当时想，我的用户们还在意这个呢。

And I'm like, oh my people are still

在谷歌上做这些事情提前了十年，Stadia 就是其中之一。

on Google is ten years too early to things and Stadia was one of them.

比如，微软的 Game Pass 非常非常受欢迎。

Like, Microsoft Game Pass is very, very popular.

想想 Xbox Cloud。

You think of Xbox Cloud.

Xbox Cloud。

Xbox Cloud.

就只是这么叫的吗？

That's just what it's called?

Game Pass 就是通过订阅获取游戏，而云则是运行在云端的计算。

Game Pass is just getting the games via a subscription rate, and then cloud is the compute on the cloud.

就叫云服务。

It's just called cloud.

或者像GeForce NOW。

Or like GeForce NOW.

GeForce NOW是NVIDIA的。

GeForce NOW is the NVIDIA

好吧，不管怎样，Wow。

Well, anyway, the Wow.

我在这儿显老了。

Showing my age here.

谷歌眼镜也是十年前的东西了。

Google Glass is also ten years.

我记得这个，是的。

I remember this Yeah.

我的意思是，谷歌在很多事情上总是超前十年，而微软的游戏流媒体版本非常受欢迎。

I mean, again, Google is very often ten years too early at things, the Microsoft version of game streaming is extremely popular.

谷歌曾经有

Google had

别上那个网站了。

Get off of that website.

我只是在看其他原因？

I'm just looking at other why?

这以后会变得微不足道吗？

Is this gonna be trivial later?

嗯，Stadia。

Well, Stadia.

它会在上面的。

It's gonna be on there.

哦，哦，哦，

Oh, oh, oh,

我当时就想，哇，看看这些当时超前但后来夭折的东西。

I was like, wow, look at all these other things that were ahead of their time and then died.

我玩过一些Xbox云游戏，我的网络速度相当快

I've played a handful of Xbox Cloud on my I've got pretty fast Internet

在家玩的。

at home.

Flex。

Flex.

说出所有游戏的名字。

Name all the games.

格雷戈里·德尔：这根本行不通。

GREGORY DELL: it doesn't really work.

或者至少对我来说效果不太好。

Or at least it didn't work that well for me.

我发现，我玩的那些游戏对延迟要求很低，但是

I found I guess I was playing games that required pretty low latency, but

是的。

Yeah.

光线模拟器？

Light simulator?

不是，是两个K。

No, like two ks.

在云平台上玩两个K几乎不可能。

Like two ks is pretty much impossible on cloud.

我唯一引以为傲的是，我在网上发布了第一个关于Stadia的评测。

My one claim to flame is that I put the I put out the first ever, Stadia review on the internet.

然后我去上了皮尔斯·摩根的

And then I went on the Pierce Morgan

节目，

show to

来谈论Stadia。

talk about Stadia.

等等，你上过皮尔斯·摩根的节目？

Wait, you were on Pierce Morgan?

有一个IMDb页面，不是我做的，是别人因为我上了皮尔斯·摩根节目而帮我做的。

Have an IMDb that I did not make that someone made for me because I appeared on the Pierce Morgan show.

是的。

Yeah.

我们能播放一下那个片段吗，就那个，嗯。

Can we play that clip on the, on the, yeah.

这不是视频片段。

It's not a video clip.

所以你是想告诉我。

So you're telling me.

哦，这是一个

Oh, it is a

视频片段。

video clip.

忘了。

Forgot.

这是一个视频。

It is a video.

你玩一个游戏，然后

You play a game and

它不在你的电脑上。

it's not on your computer.

Waveform 有一个 IMDb，里面只有 Marques 和一个自称是 Anderson、Richard Cannon 第三的人。

Waveform has an IMDb and it only has Marques and some random guy who included himself in Anderson, Richard Cannon the third.

传奇。

Legend.

我不知道。

I don't know.

总之，我的观点是，Stadia 现在本该非常流行，但可惜已经死了，不过它的手柄非常好，你可以把它变成标准的蓝牙手柄。

Anyway, my point is that Stadia would be very popular right now and RIP, but the controllers are very good and, you can turn them into standard Bluetooth controllers.

我真后悔把我的 ATG 卖了。

I'm so mad I got rid of my ATG.

是的

Yeah.

ATG

ATG.

好吧，我们来想想这个趣味问题。

Well, we'll think about that trivia question.

答案会像往常一样放在最后。

Answers will be at the end like usual.

我们马上回来。

We'll be right back.

好的。

Alright.

欢迎回来。

Welcome back.

我们得聊聊这个加一的剧情。

We gotta talk about this one plus drama a little bit.

这件事有点分散，但如果你在过去四天左右使用过社交媒体，可能已经看到过一些相关的消息。

It's kind of all over the place, but if you've been on social media for the past four days or so, you may have seen some of this arc.

我们可以尽力梳理一下哪些事情发生了，哪些没有发生。

We could do our best to break down what happened versus what didn't happen.

是的，OnePlus，对于了解的人而言，是一家智能手机公司，隶属于BBK电子旗下。

But yeah, so OnePlus, for those of you who know, smartphone company, subset of BBK Electronics.

他们生产的就是这一款。

They make this one right here.

这是OnePlus 15。

This is OnePlus 15.

我已经用了一段时间了。

I've been using it for a while.

它很不错。

It's nice.

但自从OnePlus初代问世以来，他们就一直在生产手机，那时候他们可是粉丝心中的偶像品牌。

But they've been making phones for a while ever since the OnePlus one days when they were like a cult favorite.

是的，没错。

Yeah, that's right.

然后在过去一周，Android Headlines 上出现了一篇文章，标题为独家报道：OnePlus 正在被拆分。

And then so over this past week, this article popped up on Android Headlines that was titled exclusive OnePlus is being dismantled.

这个标题相当令人震惊，因为 OnePlus 是一家确实存在且似乎状况尚可的公司，尽管最近可能有点低调，甚至略有下滑趋势。

And this is kind of a shocker headline because they're a company that exists and seems to be doing okay, maybe a little bit quiet lately, maybe a little bit downward trending lately.

我能解释一下背景吗？这能帮助理解为什么这篇文章在此时出现。

Can I explain a little context that kind of makes sense of why this article hitting here?

是的。

Yeah.

就像今年年初以来，陆续有一些零散的文章提到 BBK 或 Oppo 及其子品牌 OnePlus 登上新闻。

Just like since the start of the year, there's some there's been a bunch of random articles here and there about maybe BBK slash Oppo and then sub brands, OnePlus, getting in the news.

其中之一是 Realme 将重新被视为 Oppo 的子品牌。

One of them is that Realme is going back to being considered a sub brand of Oppo.

它们最初是子品牌，一年后独立出去，现在又准备回归。

They originally were, then they left after a year, now they're coming back.

OPPO表示，这部分是为了改善资源管理以及OPPO的全球扩张战略。

Part of that Oppo is saying is to improve resource management and Oppo's global expansion strategy.

我知道这不完全是关于OnePlus的，但跟那里的整体品牌有关。

I know that's not OnePlus exactly, but general branding around there.

有一些传言后来被删除了，说是OnePlus 16可能不会进入美国市场。

There's some rumors that then got deleted about the OnePlus 16 maybe not coming to The US.

而且目前Pete Lau在台湾还有一张因非法商业和招聘活动而签发的逮捕令。

And then Pete Lau also right now has an arrest warrant in Taiwan for illegal business and recruitment activities.

哦，我忘了这件事。

Oh, I forgot about that.

据称如此。

Allegedly.

所以，OnePlus如今在科技圈里确实备受关注，至少在特定的科技圈内是这样。

So yeah, there's a reason one plus is it's hot right now in the tech world, at least in specific tech world.

所以这篇文章谈到了很多这些事情，也解释了为什么它偏偏在现在发布。

So like this article talks about a lot of those things, but, it makes sense why it came out right now.

是的

Yeah.

你是说那篇文章吗？

You mean the article?

那篇文章，是的。

The article, yeah.

是的

Yeah.

是的

Yeah.

所以我看到那个标题时，心想，这真有意思。

So I saw that headline, I like, oh, that's really interesting.

于是我读了整篇文章。

So I read the entire article.

有几件事让我印象深刻。

A couple things stuck out to me.

其中一个问题是，实际上关于OnePlus被解散的说法并没有什么独家或新颖的内容，只是把一些公开可得的信息——关于OnePlus最近的趋势、传闻和类型——汇总在一起，放在了一个地方。

One was nothing was actually exclusive or new about OnePlus actually being dismantled, but it was a bunch of publicly available but information about the trends with OnePlus lately, and the rumors, and the types, sort of summarizing, putting everything in one place.

所以这主要是

So that was

关于总结的备注。

Note on the summarizing.

是的，是的，可能有一点——

Yeah, yeah, maybe a little bit of-

过于侧重于总结了。

Heavy on the summarizing.

是的，首先，人们可能会用‘标题党’这个词来形容那些用全大写的‘独家’来吸引眼球，但实际上并没有独家内容的东西。

Yeah, well, people might first of all use the word clickbait to describe something that says exclusive in all caps and then doesn't have exclusives.

但另一点是，这篇文章读起来感觉完全是ChatGPT写的。

But the other thing was it felt very much written by Chad Gpt.

读完整篇文章后，到了第三个部分，就很明显地看出它一遍又一遍地使用了相同的结构，而作者后来也承认，他确实更新了标题，并且用了AI来构建结构。

Like, read the whole thing, and it was, by the third of the waypoint, it was painfully obvious that it was structured the same way over and over and over again, to which the author, I guess, later admitted that he updated the headline and was like, yeah, did use AI to But structure

为了澄清一下，他们最初发布这篇帖子时称作者是名叫亚历克斯·马克斯的一个人，来自Then Android，但大家纷纷指出这是AI写的，因为文章充斥着很多那种……他们喜欢用什么手法？

to clear that up, they originally had made the post that it was written by someone named Alex Maxim at Then Android everyone started saying, this is AI, cause it had a lot of, what do they like to do?

很多都是‘如果X，那么Y’的句式。

A lot of like, if X, then Y.

它不是这样，实际上是那样。

It's like, it's not this, it's actually this.

这不只是一个简单的这样，而是一个整体，就像某种——

This wasn't just a this, it was a whole that like something like-

然后那个

And then the

破折号总是让人觉得——为该死的破折号讨个公道吧。

Em dashes are always like- Justice for the freaking Em dash man.

我以前经常用这种东西

I used to use that shit

一直都在用。

all the time.

别用它。

Don't use it.

我不能用它。

I can't use it.

它是对的。

It's yeah.

它就像多出来的一根手指。

It's like an extra finger.

这简直就是它由AI生成的证据。

It's just such proof that it's AI.

我就是不想

I just never want

结束我的句子。

to end my sentences.

你知道，

You know,

我就是得停止使用句号了，

I just gotta just stop using periods,

让我们用破折号来模拟省略号，但用逗号，就用那三个逗号。

Let's dashes recreate the ellipses, but with commas, and just use that same three commas.

你知道什么有趣的事吗？

You know what's funny?

当我用谷歌文档写剧本时，我会用破折号、省略号和分号来在心里暗示不同的语气——这只是因为我清楚这些符号对我大脑意味着什么，但现在在网上，这些却意味着这是AI写的。

When I do my script writing in Google Docs, I use dashes, ellipses, and semicolons to indicate in my own head a different And type of it's just, I'm reading it a certain way because I know what that means to my brain, but now online, it means this was written with AI.

所以我再也不能在剧本写作之外使用这些符号了，但好吧，事情就是这样。

So I can't use this ever outside of my script writing, but yeah, it is what it is.

但最初有人说这是亚历克斯写的。

But so originally it was said it was written by Alex.

后来当网上大量质疑这是AI写的时，他出来澄清说，这并不是我写的。

And then after it got all the flack online about it being written by AI, he came out and said, this was not written by me.

它只是挂了我的名字。

It just had my name.

随后，Android Headlines 的所有者克里斯·尤库利克表示，这篇文章是他写的，并承认使用了人工智能，声称：‘作为网站所有者，我决定使用人工智能辅助来构建这篇文章。’

To then which Chris Yukulik, the owner of Android Headlines, said that he wrote it and then admitted to using AI in it, claiming, he said, as the site owner, I made the decision to use AI assistance in structuring this article.

其他所有内容都是人工完成的，包括来自独立来源、前雇员和现任员工的全部调查报道、中国商业媒体的研究，以及四家分析公司的数据。

Everything else is human work, including the entire investigation reporting from independent sources, current and former employees, Chinese business publication research, and four analyst firms.

但这里其实有很多可疑之处。

But like, there's so many red flags going on here.

是的，第一个红灯信号。

Yeah, red flag number one.

为什么要在开头就隐瞒这一点？

Why hide that at the beginning?

那为什么要用别人的名字署名？

That was why put a different person's name on it?

为什么要这么做？

Why do any of that?

为什么不自己写一篇文章呢？

Why not write your own article?

这里就是一堆奇怪的事情。

It's just a bunch of weird things going on here.

而且，说实话，我不确定你读了之后有没有被说服，但至少我没被说服，没觉得一加真的快完蛋了。

And then also, yeah, don't know, it didn't convince me that, I don't know if you read it and were convinced at all, but it didn't convince me that OnePlus is actually on their deathbed.

它看起来是想说服我。

It seemed like it wanted to convince me.

所以确实，一加身上有很多有趣的事情，就像你提到的，这些事代表着一个曾经非常火热的品牌的落幕，如今它只是回归本源的一个企业子品牌。

So yeah, there's a lot of things that are going on with OnePlus, like you mentioned, that are really interesting to follow, and that sort of represent the end of an arc of what was once a really, really hot brand and is now just kind of a corporate sub brand going back to its roots.

但说实话，这让我挺失望的。

But yeah, was just kind of a disappointment to me.

是啊，这种文章把一堆东西全塞进一篇里，如果你只是想说‘现在一加发生了什么’，本来可以写成一篇有用的文章。

Yeah, it's one of those things where it put a lot of things in one article that I think could have been a useful article if you wanted to say, Here's everything that's going on with OnePlus right now.

但偏偏贴上‘独家’标签，却没有任何独家内容，这就太标题党了。

But slapping an exclusive badge on it and offering no exclusive information is very clickbaity.

然后还换了个不同的作者，因为看起来他最近可能发过更多爆款文章。

And then putting a different author, because it seems like he maybe has had more viral posts lately.

所以他们似乎把这篇文章归到他头上，想借此获得一些更多的关注。

So they seem to put it on him to try and maybe get some more traction from it.

现在，如果我是那个作者，我会很不高兴，因为现在看起来我做了很多

Now, if I'm that author, I am not happy because now it looks like I did a bunch

我

of I

我们知道我们有权利

know what we're entitled

在这

in this

期节目中。

episode.

独家

Exclusive

破折号。

Em Dash.

全新的OnePlus破折号风波。

Brand new OnePlus Em Dash drama.

OnePlus并没有死。

OnePlus isn't dead.

它实际上还活着。

It's actually alive.

这就是我们要定的标题。

That's what we're titling.

OnePlus随后发表声明，澄清他们并未关闭。

OnePlus has since come out and just clarified that they are not shutting down.

他们表示，近期有关OnePlus关闭的未经证实的报道都是虚假的。

They said recent unverified reports claiming OnePlus is shutting down are false.

所以事情就是这样。

So there's that.

哦，对了，他们还说OnePlus印度的业务运营一切正常。

Oh yeah, and then they said OnePlus India's business operations continue as normal.

这是因为这是OnePlus印度在回应，是的。

This was because this is OnePlus India responding, Yeah.

为了彻底澄清这一点。

Just to be fully clear on that.

对。

Yeah.

很多人会说，那只是印度团队在说他们不会关闭。

And a lot of people are like, well, that's just the India team that's saying they're not closing.

而你知道，也许这种情况真的会发生。

And it's like, you know, maybe it could happen.

我认为Oppo有很多理由想要再次简化他们的产品线。

I think that there's a lot of reasoning why Oppo might want to simplify their lineup again.

Oppo品牌在中国和欧洲部分地区非常受欢迎，因为Oppo手机在欧洲多个地区都有销售。

The Oppo brand is very popular in China and different parts of Europe, because Oppo phones are sold in different parts of Europe.

而且，他们曾尝试将OnePlus的用户界面改为ColorOS。

And, you know, they tried to change the OnePlus UI to ColorOS.

然后他们又把名字改回了OxygenOS，但本质上还是ColorOS，这很好。

And then they just changed the name back to OxygenOS, but it's still ColorOS, which is good.

这是一个不错的操作系统。

It's a good OS.

关于这一点，让我觉得很有意思的是，我一直在思考OnePlus以及子品牌存在的意义，公司为什么使用子品牌总是让我很感兴趣。

It's one of the things that was interesting to me about this, because I still am like thinking a lot about OnePlus and the existence of sub brands and why companies use them is always interesting to me.

比如，为什么丰田要推出雷克萨斯作为子品牌？

Like, why do you have Lexus as a sub brand of Toyota?

因为你没法用丰田的标志销售如此昂贵的汽车，所以你需要这样一个品牌标识。

Because you can't really sell such a pricey car with a Toyota badge, so you have this badge.

这就是Genesis品牌所代表的意义。

Like, this is what a Genesis is.

很多其他公司也是这么做的。

This is what a lot of other companies do.

CMF。

CMF.

CMF，再说一遍。

CMF, again.

Oppo在某个市场是非常受欢迎的公司，但同一家公司却想使用一个名为OnePlus的新品牌，进入那些对购买Oppo产品不太热衷的其他市场。

So Oppo is a huge popular company in one market, but the same company wants to use a new brand called OnePlus to get into other markets that aren't as excited about buying something from Oppo.

它们取得了一些成功，比如在美国和印度，人们开始对OnePlus手机感到非常兴奋。

And they kind of had some success, like in The US and in India, and people were getting really excited about OnePlus phones.

我记得当初OnePlus One根本买不到，还有邀请制、CyanogenMod，所有那些事情。

I remember the OnePlus One being impossible to get, and like the invite system, and the CyanogenModelad, and all of that.

关注这一切都非常令人兴奋。

Following all that was very exciting.

现在在美国的运营商那里就能买到OnePlus的产品了。

You can get OnePlus stuff at carriers in The US now.

很久以来，新手机品牌似乎都进不了美国的运营商渠道。

Felt like for a long time, new phone companies were not in carriers in The US.

是的。

Yeah.

为了

For

当然。

sure.

要让一个新手机品牌站稳脚跟，直到真正能在美国家庭中销售，简直难如登天。

It was so hard to get a new phone company off the ground, all the way to the point where you could actually sell it to a real human in The US.

如果你不在美国，可能不太了解，但在美国，商店里主要都是三星和苹果的手机，因为它们已经谈好了合作。

If you aren't in The US, you probably aren't as familiar, but for those in The US, you know, like, it's mostly Samsung and Apple phones in stores They've made the deals.

也有一些摩托罗拉的产品。

There's some Motorola stuff.

还有预付费运营商的产品。

There's the prepaid carrier stuff.

但如果你想花800美元或更多买一部高端旗舰手机，选择非常有限。

But, like, if you wanna come in and spend $800 or whatever premium flagship money on a phone, the options are slim.

要让新品牌挤进这些主流产品的货架，更不用说获得足够的市场份额，简直难上加难。

And it was so hard to get on the shelf alongside those, let alone get enough market share.

感觉Pixel的份额甚至只有2%左右。

Feel like Pixel's even at like 2%.

是的。

Yeah.

我正想说，就连Pixel也花了很长时间才上架销售。

Was just gonna say even Pixel took so long just to get on shelves.

而这还是谷歌在努力尝试

And that's Google trying

上架销售。

to get on.

对吧？

Right?

所以想象一下一家新公司试图进入市场。

So imagine a new company trying to get along.

所以这个故事非常激动人心，一加也取得了长足的进展。

So the story was really exciting, and OnePlus got very far.