再次介绍特斯拉Roadster...

我觉得你们低估了人们刷屏的能力，他们不会用正面的屏幕。

think you guys underestimate people's doom scrolling abilities that they won't use the front screen.

我确实认为很多刷屏行为只是来自于解锁和锁定手机的肌肉记忆，而且速度很快，甚至都没怎么思考。

I really do think a lot of doom scrolling just comes from like the muscle memory of unlocking and locking your phone just like rapidly though, you know, without even thinking about it.

你

You

你看到我们视频里Marques同时刷TikTok和Instagram Reels的部分了吗？

You saw the part in our video where Marques scrolls on TikTok and Instagram Reels at the same time.

是的，你必须要有意地多任务处理，

Yes, you have to do it intentionally multitask that

这样。

way.

那需要好几个步骤：打开它，展开，打开一个，滑到旁边，再打开另一个，然后开始翻。

That takes several steps to open it up, unfold it, open one, scroll to the side, open the other one, and then starts flipping.

假设你还没有设置快捷方式。

Assuming you haven't set up a shortcut for it.

是的，我发现自己同时使用两个应用的频率比我预期的要高。

Yes, I have found myself using two apps at the same time more often than I thought I would.

大多数时候，这样做是为了把一个屏幕上的信息复制到另一个屏幕上。

Most of the time, it's useful for copying information from one screen to another.

那确实很方便。

It's so good for that.

当然，你也可以直接多任务处理。

Obviously, you can just multitask.

你可以在一个应用里复制，然后滑动切换到另一个应用。

You could just be in one app, copy, and then swipe over and be on the next app.

但能看到它在左边也挺好的。

But it's just nice to see it on the left.

最有用的场景之一，就是我有时会因为忘记移动车子而收到停车罚单，因为街道交替侧停车。每次支付罚单时，我都得输入银行信息，比如路由号码和账号，这真是——

One of the most useful ones, I sometimes get parking tickets because I forget to move my car because And of alternate side every single time I pay the ticket, I have to insert my bank info, like my routing number and my account number, which is- Which

很多

a lot

来回

of back and

切换。

forth.

728。

728.

不，我开玩笑的。

No, I'm kidding.

对，特别是像银行应用，因为你在多任务处理时它们会变黑屏。

Yeah, it's specifically with like banking apps, because they like blackout when you're multitasking.

每次去的时候我都得真的记住那是什么。

I have to really remember what it is every time I go.

所以我可以同时打开两个，然后直接输入，这样容易多了。

So I can have them both open at the same time and actually just type it in, it's much easier.

或者航班信息，如果我想把它加到Flighty里，这类事情，都非常有用。

Or flight information, if I want to add it to flighty, that kind of stuff, all very helpful.

电池续航，简直好得离谱。

Battery life, insanely good.

你的电池续航体验很棒。

You had a great battery life experience.

我的电池续航体验还算不错，

I had like a solid battery life experience,

但

but it

看起来你的电池续航简直惊人。

seems like you were having amazing battery life.

再说一次，这可能是因为我不怎么打开它。

And again, it might be because I'm just like not opening it as much.

我在用这个书页式保护壳。

I'm using this booklet case.

这可能也有帮助，因为屏幕亮着的时间少多了。

And this might help because the screen's on way less of the time.

盖子合上的时候，屏幕就完全关了。

It's like completely off when the case is closed.

关于你的使用情况，我还有另一个问题。

My other question about your use.

大概有多少比例的时间是开着屏幕，多少时间是合着屏幕用的？

How much, like, what's your ratio of open screen to closed screen use?

有人在推特上问过我这个问题。

Someone asked me that on Twitter.

我觉得大概是五五开吧，但我不确定其中有多少是因为折叠手机的新鲜感。

I think it's about fiftyfifty, but I don't know how much of that is the novelty of it being a folding phone.

我有点预料到……

I was kind of predicting...

也许我在评测里有点主观了，但我觉得一开始，打开它总是很有趣。

Maybe I'm projecting a little bit in my review, but I think at first, it's very fun to open it up all the time.

那种感觉很爽。

It's very satisfying.

你就是喜欢玩那些应用什么的。

You just like playing with the apps and stuff.

然后，大概一两个月之后，尤其是在那些糖果条形设计的机型上，你就会开始像用普通手机一样使用它，还得记得它可以打开。

And then, like, a month or two later, especially on the candy bar shaped ones, you just start using it like a regular phone, and you have to remember that you can open it.

而且我很好奇，就像我在评测里说的，你可能会是75%的时间用外屏，25%的时间用内屏。

And I'm curious if, like, I said in my review, you'd probably be, like, 75% outside screen, 25% inside screen.

我们看看大家实际使用下来会怎么样。

We'll see how it turns out for people.

不过我的电池续航还不错。

But my battery life was was pretty good.

大概B+吧，屏幕开启时间有六个小时，一天下来还有剩余电量，不过比Pro Max稍微差一点。

Like b plus, like six hours of screen on time, extra battery at the end of the day and all that, but a little worse than the Pro Max.

但我觉得如果我更多使用内屏的话，续航可能就没那么好了。

But I think if I used way more inside screen, that might not be as good.

可能吧。

Probably.

因为要驱动的像素更多。

Just because it's more pixels to drive.

说到那种糖果条形手机，亚历克斯给我看了他Pixel Fold 2的照片。

No, on that point of the candy bar style phones, Alex was showing me a photo on his Pixel Fold two or whatever it was.

他在外屏上给我看谷歌照片。

And he was showing me on Google Photos on his front screen.

我就说，哥们，打开它。

And I was like, dude, open it up.

他说，哦，那太麻烦了。

He was Oh, that's so much work.

我就想，那你买这手机干嘛？

So I was like, Why did you buy this phone?

它的意义就在于打开它。

The whole point of it is to open it up.

而且，如果外屏就能提供完全正常的手机体验，你就没那么大动力去打开它了。

And like, if you have a perfectly fine normal phone experience on the front screen, you don't have as much incentive to actually open the phone.

所以让外屏体验变差，确实会促使你去用内屏，我完全理解，这确实是个妥协。

So making it a worse experience on the front display does give you incentive to use the inner display, which I understand is I cop totally understand that's a cop

没错。

out.

就像是

It's like

差到让你不得不

so bad that you have to

去用它。这挺好的

use the It's good

两千美元

$2,000

我知道。

I know.

就像我

Like I

你之前提到过那个翻盖手机，感觉它因为这一点更接近翻盖手机了，就像前面的屏幕开始变成那种随身使用的模式。

you mentioned with the flip before, it almost feels closer to a flip because of that, where it's like the front screen is starting to be like the on the go usage.

然后我觉得，如果公共交通通勤是你日常生活的一部分，人们会更频繁地使用内屏。

And then I think people will use the inner screen way more if public transportation commute is part of your everyday life.

如果你有很多事情要做，比如娱乐或者其他什么，不需要控制其他东西，你可以完全专注于手机，比如在飞机上之类的。

If there's lots of things you're doing, like entertainment or whatever, where you don't have to be in control of anything else, you can just be fully focused on your phone, like plane rides, whatever.

所以我觉得内屏会用得更多，而外屏就是用来快速回复、做点事、快速查看一下，比如看个谷歌地图，然后就可以了。

So that I think it'll be more, and then the front is just like, reply, do something, check something really fast, look at a Google map, then you're good.

就是快速看一下。

Something real quick.

我喜欢它在竖屏模式下表现很好，和Z Fold 8类似。

I loved that it was really nice in portrait, similar to the Z Fold eight.

这两款手机有很多相似之处，但我真的很喜欢那款手机让这种使用方式变得更自然。

There's a lot of similarities between these phones, but I really liked that that phone sort of made that behavior feel more natural.

就像是一个竖着的小平板。

It's like a small tablet in vertical.

而在这款手机上，这款iPhone Duo，音量按钮在侧面。

And on this phone, this iPhone Duo, the volume buttons are on the side.

所以正确的方向是摄像头在顶部这里，音量按钮的位置和普通手机一样。

So the correct orientation is with the cameras up at the top here, the volume buttons are where they would normally be on a normal phone.

哦，对。

Oh, true.

说得好。

A great point.

而且

And

Touch ID在顶部。

Touch ID is at the top.

所以这有点像普通的iPad布局。

So it's kind of like a normal iPad setup here.

我非常喜欢这样。

And I liked doing that a lot

这款iPhone真的很棒，基本上就像口袋里装了个iPad Mini。

with the It iPhone is really nice to just have basically an iPad Mini in your pocket.

而且当你读文章的时候，可以直接在屏幕上阅读。

And when you're reading an article, you can just read it on display.

音量键在闭合状态下用起来很麻烦。

The volume rockers, when it's closed, are annoying to use.

它们看起来确实很烦人。

They look really annoying.

因为你得把手机翻过来，然后还得分辨哪个是音量减，哪个是音量加，这真的很烦。

Because you have to wrap your phone around it, and then just finding which one is volume down and volume up is very annoying.

从我看Marques使用它的经验来看，整个设备在可达性方面做了很多改进，但依然有很多地方在可达性上让人头疼。

This whole thing, from when I've seen Marques use it, is like, there are so many things that they did a good job of in terms of reachability by fixing it, yet then they still have a bunch of things on it that are a pain in the neck for reachability.

下滑手势还是右、中、左，这到底是为了什么？

Fact that the swipe downs are still right, middle, and left for what?

设置、Siri，如果你把所有东西都移到右边，那左上角就不应该有任何东西。

Settings, Siri, Like if you're moving all the things to the right, then you should have nothing in the top left corner.

那个滑动操作真是让人头疼。

That's a pain in the neck to swipe.

我看到了

I saw

手忙活。

hand gymnastics.

所以感觉就是，这就是为什么这个很棒。

So like, it feels like here's the reason why this is great.

别管那边那个为什么不好。

Ignore the reason why this over here is bad.

我们打算

We're gonna

把那事忘了。

forget about that.

很多时候，下拉通知栏很费劲，因为一不小心就唤醒了Siri。

Many times it is difficult to get your notification shade to come down because you accidentally just activate Siri instead.

迈克尔·费舍尔专门跟我抱怨过这件事。

Michael Fisher was specifically complaining about that to me.

我挺惊讶的——他的触摸目标就是，你看，它刚才就那样了。

I'm surprised- his touch target was, I mean, see, it just did it

没有。为什么Siri不放在一个更容易操作的地方，比如长按电源键？

without Why is Siri not in a different place that's easier to do, like a hold the power button?

它确实还是那样。

It does still do that.

等等，那样会激活Siri吗？

Wait, that does activate Siri?

那左上角三分之二的地方就应该只放通知。

Then the two thirds of the top left should just be notifications.

那样会

That would

给你更多空间放通知，这样你就不用一直跑到最左边的角落了。

be Like give you more room for notifications, so you don't have to go all the way to the left corner.

我觉得是因为他们在普通iPhone上把Siri设计成从灵动岛弹出来的。

I think it's because they built Siri to come out of the dynamic island on the regular iPhones.

所以他们决定在Duo上也放在同一个位置，尽管前置摄像头在别的地方。

So they decided to make it in the same spot on the Duo, even though the selfie camera's

不对，你说得对，他们应该

not No, you're

改一下的。

right, they should

对，应该改的。

have changed it.

就像你说的，有很多精致的地方，以至于掩盖了那些感觉完全被忽略的部分。

This is like you said, there's so many polished parts that they kind of overshadow how many parts it feels like they just straight up missed on.

我同意。

I agree.

他们为这款手机重新设计了很多东西，但也有一些东西他们就是没动。

There's like a lot of things that they completely redesigned for this phone, and there's some things they just didn't.

这两者之间的冲突让这款手机有时候感觉有点奇怪。

And the friction between those two things makes the phone sometimes a little bit weird.

确实需要多思考一下。

There's a little more thinking.

我还想说，很多需要手指灵活操作的地方更让人烦，因为手机稍微厚一点、重一点，而且钛金属的弧形边框让它更滑。

I also will say that a lot of the hand gymnastics stuff is more annoying because the phone is slightly thicker, slightly heavier, and slightly slipperier with the titanium curved

我特别讨厌那个边框。

I dislike the rails so much.

而且我不是iPhone用户，所以不习惯那种光滑的边框。

And I'm not an iPhone user, so I'm not used to the slick rails.

但我第一次拿到它的时候，我就想，天哪，我感觉我要把它摔了。

But the first time I held this, I was just like, Oh my goodness, I feel like I'm gonna drop this.

再加上你刚才说的那些，而且这是一部2000美元的手机，你真的不想摔它。

And then just to add on to all the things you said, and the fact that it's a $2,000 phone you really don't wanna drop.

然后Z Fold 8，也差不多2000美元，但它更薄、更轻，边框是平的、磨砂的，操作起来容易多了。

And then the Z Fold eight, which is, you know, also basically $2,000 but it's thinner, it's lighter, and the rails are flat and matte, and it's just way easier to maneuver.

比如，我在手里翻转手机、开合它的时候，遇到的问题就少多了。

Like, I don't find nearly as many issues with, like, moving the phone around in my hand, opening and closing it.

我特别喜欢用那部手机，因为它操作起来太顺手了。

I love using that phone because of how easy it is to maneuver.

而且，它当然是安卓系统，所以你可以从顶部下拉，所有快捷设置和通知都在那里。

And then, of course, it's Android, so you can, like, pull down from the top, and it's all the quick settings and notifications.

所以，我不会有够不到角落的问题。

So I don't have, like, the reachability to the corner issue.

所以，这就是很大的区别，这也是我在评测里一直说它像第一代产品硬件的原因。

So that's that's a big difference, and that's why I kept calling it, like, first gen feeling hardware in my review.

在我理想的世界里，第二代iPhone Duo应该是这样的。

I think a second gen iPhone Duo in my dream world.

好的。

Okay.

在我理想的世界里，它会有硅碳电池，当然还会多一个摄像头。

In my dream world, it has a silicon carbon battery and an extra camera, obviously.

但它实际上也变得更薄了，侧面是平的，而且更薄了？

But it also actually gets thinner, flat sides, matte, and makes Even thinner?

是的。

Yes.

如果更薄的话，就没法装下 Face ID 了。

They can't put Face ID in if it's even thinner.

所以关于 Face ID 的问题……

So the thing about Face ID...

好吧。

Alright.

所以最烦人的部分……

So the annoying part...

我们来谈谈这个。

Let's talk about that.

我觉得很多人会想念 iPhone Duo 上的 Face ID，因为大家都在现在的 iPhone 上使用 Face ID。

We I think a lot of people are gonna miss Face ID on the iPhone Duo, because everyone uses Face ID on their current iPhone.

我百分之百

I 100%

会在iPhone Duo上想念它的。

miss it on the iPhone Duo.

关于这个指纹识别器的触控，也就是Touch ID，它内置了一个延迟，你必须先滑动再触摸，或者你可以选择先触摸再等待？

The thing about the touch on the fingerprint reader, this Touch ID, is it has a built in delay where you have to swipe and then touch, or you can have What's happened then touch?

把手指放在那里整整两秒钟，然后它才会自动打开。

Rest your finger there for two whole seconds, and then it opens automatically.

对，但你还是得先唤醒手机才能操作。

Yeah, but you still have to wake the phone before you do it.

否则，什么反应都没有。

Otherwise, nothing happens.

所以感觉就是慢。

So it just feels slow.

我真希望它能快得多。

And I wish it was way faster.

我真希望那个延迟能去掉。

I wish I could remove that delay.

真希望我能直接轻触一下，唤醒它，然后立刻解锁，就像所有安卓手机那样。

Wish I could just tap it, wake it up, and it opens instantly, like all the Android phones.

这个我在视频里也展示了。

I showed that in the video, too.

而且他们不搞人脸解锁，除非有面部识别。

And they don't do face unlock without face ID.

那是他们自己的理念。

That's their own philosophy.

真希望他们能这么做。

I wish they did.

安全方面的事。

Security stuff.

所以现在就是，我希望指纹识别的体验能快得多。

So now it's like, I wish it had a much faster fingerprint reader experience.

在Apple Pay上特别烦人，因为你要双击，然后按住，然后它会提示你验证指纹，然后你还要验证指纹，然后还要……这简直是四步流程。

It's specifically very annoying on Apple Pay because you have to double tap, and then you have to hold it, then it goes, oh, make sure you authenticate with your fingerprint, and then you have to authenticate with your fingerprint, and then you have to It's like a four step process,

但其实就是你按住一会儿，它会一步一步地走完这些步骤，但很慢。

but it's just like you hold it down for a while, and it goes through all those one by one, but slowly.

我觉得这是个特色，因为每个买他手机的人都希望收银员知道你用的是iPhone Duo，所以你要尽可能久地按住它。

I think that's a feature because everyone who buys his phone wants the person at the cash register to know you're paying with an iPhone Duo, and you need to hold it out as long as possible.

对，就是，Face ID在安卓上快多了，而且我社交媒体上很多人都在说，就用Apple Watch解锁，就用Apple Watch。

Yeah, it's just, yeah, Face ID is just much faster in And most a lot of people on my socials have been like, just unlock with Apple Watch, just use the Apple Watch.

我不戴Apple

I don't wear an Apple

Watch，各位。

Watch, guys.

他们就是想让你这样。

That's what they want.

他们想让你觉得，对，在我们的生态里一切都更简单，但我不想戴Apple Watch。

They want you to be like, yeah, everything's easier in our ecosystem, but I don't want to wear an Apple Watch.

这个开着的时候能直接碰一下付款吗？

Can you tap to pay with this open?

大概就是那种大场合吧。

Probably that big occasion.

开着。

On.

让我

Let me

碰一下付款，我其实也想过这个。

tap to was actually thinking about that.

我今天晚点有航班，我肯定要这样扫登机牌，

Have a flight later today, I am for sure scanning my boarding pass like

就这样。

this.

你见过

Have you seen

那些在机场和朋友开玩笑，把登机牌打印成海报大小的人，你见过吗？

the people who joke with their friends at the airport and they print out their boarding pass on a poster card?

你们看到那个把二维码纹在光头上来扫描的人了吗？

Did you guys see the guy who put a QR code on his bald head and then tried to scan

结果他上飞机了。

it to get on the tray.

那可能不行，因为你的头是圆的。

That probably wouldn't work because your head's curved.

不过，确实有效。

But yeah,

确实有效。

it did work.

还有几件事。

So a couple other things.

嗯，我真的很喜欢那些优化得像Mac应用一样的应用，比如Slack。

Am, I really like the apps that have been sort of optimized to just look like a Mac app, like Slack.

Slack 还需要再优化一下。

Slack needs a little bit more optimization.

他们今天还真在推特上回复我了，说他们现在正在改进。

They actually tweeted at me today and said that they're working on it right now.

拜托了。

Please.

你能帮我在推特上跟他们提提其他几个问题吗？

Can you tweet at them for a couple other things

我有几个问题。好吧，我们就先用着吧。

that I have issues Well, let's just use it

他们到底有没有测试过啊？也许这个问题会被修复。

as they did they even test this and maybe it'll get fixed.

但它看起来就像那个 Mac 应用，左边是所有的对话，右边是主要内容。

But it looks just like that Mac app, where it's got like all your conversations on the side, and then it's got the main thing right here.

就像 Apple Messages 一样，左边是你的联系人，右边是实际的聊天内容。

Same with like Apple messages, you have like all of your with contacts the actual text here.

我觉得这太棒了。

I think that's awesome.

正因为如此，我真的很希望这个设备的配件生态能火起来。

And because of this, I really want the accessory ecosystem for this thing to get crazy.

这样我就可以把它放在桌子上，配一个专门为它设计的小键盘来用。

So I can like have it, you know, sitting on a desk and use it with like a little mini keyboard that's specifically made for this.

我能快速问你一个问题吗？

Can I ask you really quick?

在苹果信息里，左边是联系人，右边是消息。

So in Apple messages, it has like your contacts on the left and the message on the right.

你能按一下输入框那里吗？

Can you press in where you type?

键盘看起来是什么样的？

What does the keyword look like?

它会弹出来在……

It like pops up on the

整个覆盖了

whole It's over the

整个东西。

whole thing.

哦，但它确实

Oh, but it does

只把键盘调出来。

bring just the write up.

我觉得那挺好的。

I think that's fine.

对，只把键盘调出来。

Yeah, just brings the write up.

Slack那个看起来很不错，就是右边那条黑条有点碍眼。

The Slack one looked really nice, except for the black bar on

右边。

the right.

右边有个黑条。

There is a black bar on the

那个黑条让我抓狂。

That black bar drives me insane.

他们几乎肯定会把底部的气泡移到右边。

They will almost definitely be moving the bubbles on the bottom to the right side.

而且他们说他们正在

And they said they're working

处理这个问题。

on it.

所以我希望所有开发桌面应用的人，都能让展开的体验和桌面应用一样，因为这样我就能把手机放在桌上，用一个小键盘就能完成一些工作。

So I I want all of the app developers that make desktop apps to just make the unfolded experience just like the desktop app, because then I want to be able to have my phone on a desk and just use a little mini keyboard and get some work done.

如果谷歌文档能优化到那种程度，

If Google Docs was optimized

那就用谷歌吧。

Use Google, please.

因为Safari是——等等，什么？

Because Safari is Wait, what

Google Docs现在是什么情况？

is Google Docs right now?

太糟糕了。

It's so bad.

它就是一个竖着的页面，就是——

It's one vertical page It's

跟日历一样。

the same as calendar.

跟日历一样。

It's the same as calendar.

太差了。

It's bad.

糟透了。

Horrible.

像Safari这样的东西其实很棒，因为它真的会在顶部显示所有标签页，就像在电脑上一样。

Something like Safari is actually awesome because it literally shows all the tabs at the top, just like on desktop.

就像浏览器那样？

Like a browser?

那挺酷的。

That's cool.

它看起来

It looks

就像桌面浏览器一样。

just like a desktop browser.

我只是想要如果

I just want if

我希望每个应用都能这样。

And I want that for every app.

我知道我们之前说过，但如果像三星Fold这样的手机能做到这一点，推特上的人肯定会疯掉的。

I know we did, but if like a Samsung Fold did this or whatever, Twitter would be losing its mind.

我敢肯定还有部分是这样的。

I mean, I'm sure there's still parts that are.

所以像安卓应用，安卓版本至少会把它拉伸并缩放以适应屏幕。

So like Android apps, the Android version would at least stretch it out and scale it to fit the screen.

但显然，谷歌还可以做额外的工作，让它真正充分利用所有空间。

But obviously then there's extra work that Google can do to make it really take advantage of all the space.

苹果的做法就是把它横过来。

Apple is just kind of like turn it sideways.

然后你

Then you

基本上就有了谷歌。

had basically Google.

你用错了。

You're using it wrong.

这就是

Which is

太疯狂了。

crazy.

第二代产品的用户体验会更好。

The consumer experience is better for a second gen product.

因为这是我听到的说法。

Because that's what I'm hearing.

你是说第二代产品的体验会更好？

You mean will be better for a second gen?

是的。

Yes.

毫无疑问。

No question.

希望如此。

Hopefully.

所以我觉得很多评测都落在这个点上，我也比较认同。

So I think that's kind of where a lot of the reviews landed, which I tend to agree with.

这是第一代产品。

It's a first gen product.

所以早期用户、科技爱好者，像你我这样对边缘的、粗糙的东西感兴趣的人，比如应用有点奇怪。

So early adopters, tech enthusiasts, people like you and I who are excited about the fringe, rough around the edges stuff, like the apps being weird.

这些东西我们愿意忍受。

Like, that stuff we're willing to deal with.

但还有很多其他第一代产品，你会从早期用户那里学到一些东西。

But there's lots of other first gen products where you kind of learn from the early adopters and all that stuff.

然后两三代之后，它开始找到自己的定位，那时候才足够好，普通人才会买。

And then two or three generations later, it starts to find itself, and that's where it's good enough for regular people to buy.

iPad就是这样。

That's what iPad was.

Apple Watch也是这样。

That's what Apple Watch was.

MacBook Air也是这样。

That's what MacBook Air was.

我觉得我的iPhone Duo就是这样。

And I think that's what my iPhone Duo is.

它可能会……

It's gonna be prob...

希望如此，但愿吧，我觉得再过两三代它会变得非常好。

Hopefully, fingers crossed, I think it will be really good in like two or three generations.

但愿吧。

Fingers.

我觉得第二代就会更好，哪怕只是因为会有更多应用优化好。

Think second gen will be better even just because way more apps will be optimized.

很多

A lot

这些东西感觉就像苹果的典型做法，我们做了所有这些打磨。

of this stuff feels like the typical Apple move of, we made all of this polish.

我们不用任何自己生态系统之外的应用。

We don't use any apps that are outside of our own ecosystem.

所以对我们来说，我们看不出这有什么问题。

So to us, we don't see how there's anything wrong with this

因为我们

because we

没有，所有苹果的东西在上面都运行得很好，而那些不是苹果的东西就不行。

didn't, everything Apple works perfectly on it, and everything that isn't.

虽然这是他们的第一代产品，而且我们也说过折叠手机已经存在八年了，但感觉问题还是太多了，即使是第一代，因为他们应该从其他产品中注意到这些问题。

It just feels like even though it's first gen in the sense of it's their first gen, and we talked about how there's eight years of folding phones already, this feels like there's too many issues even as they're first gen because of all the stuff they should be noticing from other-

还是有一些苹果应用没有优化好。

There's still Apple apps that are not optimized.

好吧，我收回那句话。

Okay, I take that back

那好吧。

then.

那看起来太糟糕了。

That looks terrible.

他们竟然允许这种情况发生，真是让人意外。

That's actually surprising that they allowed that to happen.

Pages。

Pages.

我同意。

I agree.

但他们还是做了。

But they still make it.

我同意。

I agree.

我都不知道还有iOS版本。

I didn't even know there was an iOS.

但如果以这个为标准，因为谷歌在应用商店里有大约40个应用。

But if that's the barometer, because, like, Google has, like, 40 apps in the App Store

按照同样的逻辑，谷歌不会去更新他们那些没人用的底层应用。

Google's not gonna update the bottom half of their apps that nobody uses with that same logic.

所以，比如说，我希望谷歌文档能得到更新。

So, like, I hope Google Docs gets updated, for example.

我真的很希望谷歌日历能得到更新。

I really hope Google Calendar gets updated.

但是那些他们做的，比如第十七个幻灯片应用，或者其他乱七八糟的东西呢？

But what about the, like, seventeenth, like, slideshow app that they make or whatever other random stuff?

也许先更新Gemini，然后其他的再说。

Like maybe Gemini is first, and then whatever else happens, happens.

走着瞧吧。

We'll see.

好的。

Okay.

相机的情况挺有意思的。

The camera situation is interesting.

对。

Yes.

所以，内置摄像头，就像我们之前提到的，有一个隐藏在显示屏下方的摄像头。

So the interior camera, as we've mentioned, has a hidden under display camera.

脸颊。

Cheeks.

那是什么意思？

What does that mean?

脸颊。

Cheeks.

这很糟糕。

It's bad.

真的很糟糕。

It's really bad.

脸颊。

Cheeks.

好的。

Okay.

我不知道我有没有听过这个说法。

I know if I've heard that.

这很糟糕。

It's bad.

这真是糟糕透了。

It's cheeks.

我想我听过

I think I've

迈尔斯说过

heard Miles

但我不知道那是什么意思。那是四百万像素。

say that, but I didn't know what that It's four megapixels.

哦。

Oh.

真的吗？

It Is it really?

看起来确实是这样。

And it looks like it.

看起来——嘿。

It looks Hey.

像素更多了。

More pixels are.

好的。

Okay.

说得对。

That's fair.

确实如此。

That's true.

那就是像素。

That's pixels.

那是戴森像素的四倍。

That's four x the Dyson pixels.

是戴森像素的四倍。

Four x the Dyson pixels.

抱歉。

Sorry.

我，我应该换个说法。

I I should rephrase.

是四百万像素。

It is 4,000,000 pixels.

不过我们其实习惯了比这高得多的像素。

We're really used to way more pixels than that, though.

看起来还像是透过栅栏拍摄的。

It also looks like it's shooting through a lattice fence.

确实有点像。

Which it kind of is.

没错。

It is.

对，确实是这样。

Yeah, literally.

如果是谷歌照片的话，

If it was Google Photos,

他们就能直接把栅栏去掉。

they could just remove the fence.

所以，好的，有几件事要说。

So, okay, a couple of things.

迟到的回调？

A late callback?

他们故意把它叫做FaceTime摄像头。

They call it the FaceTime camera on purpose.

那是因为在FaceTime里，它看起来确实不错。

That's because in FaceTime, it actually looks pretty good.

因为他们做了视频处理。

Because they're doing video processing.

他们在视频处理上做了些处理，能很好地消除这些，看起来挺不错的。

They do video processing on it that kind of removes that pretty well, and it looks very decent.

它确实有一点光晕和发光，因为光线在这些格栅周围弯曲的方式。

It definitely has a little bit of halation and glow because of the way the light's being bent around those lattices.

但总的来说，用它拍照时，看起来就像脸颊。

But overall, when you take a photo with it, it looks like cheeks.

就像你说的。

As you would say.

如果这张照片里有光源，就像，我把它举起来，天哪，真的挺糟糕的。

If there's a light source in this photo, it's like, I'm holding it up, man, it's like, it's pretty bad.

然后我身后这个小光点冒出来，天哪，

And then this little light behind me peers out and it's my God,

这是100T。

it's It's a 100T.

拍张照片。

Take a photo.

现在看看这张照片。

And now look at the photo.

太搞笑了。

It's so funny.

我都不知道看哪里了。

I don't know where to look.

后期处理更糟糕。

The post processing is way worse.

天哪。

My.

太糟糕了。

It's terrible.

预览里看起来就很糟糕。

That looks terrible in the preview.

然后实际照片里——放大看看。

And then in the actual- Zoom in at all.

放大看看。

Zoom in at all.

然后你就会觉得，哦。

And you're just like, oh.

对，确实很糟糕。

I mean, yeah, it's bad.

而且我们是在光线很好的——

And we're in a very well lit-

这看起来就像有人在我录播客的时候黑进了我笔记本电脑的摄像头，然后——对。

This looks like someone hacked my camera on my laptop in the middle of the podcast and like- Yeah.

但你会注意到，预览画面其实还挺不错的。

But as you'll notice, the preview is actually pretty decent.

那是因为视频处理他们——

And that's because like the video processing they're

他们做的处理太搞笑了。

That's doing is so funny.

所以就是这样。

So there's that.

后置摄像头绝对比18 Pro差。

The rear camera is definitely worse than the 18 Pro.

我确实在各方面都看到了这一点。

I saw that across the board for sure.

过度锐化太严重了。

There's so much over sharpening.

感觉有点像四代前iPhone摄像头的感觉。

It kind of feels like the iPhone camera felt like four generations ago.

就是说，还行吧。

Like, it's okay.

在光线不好的情况下，显然就不行了。

Like, in worse lighting, obviously, it falls apart.

尤其是超广角，超广角完全没有锐度。

And the ultrawide especially, like, there's no type of sharpness in the ultrawide.

但它仍然有和18 Pro主摄像头一样的外观。

But it still has the same look as the as the main cameras from, like, an 18 Pro.

总体上，阴影细节和颜色水平是相同的。

The general, like, higher level of shadow detail and the colors are typically the same.

但一旦你放大查看像素，它感觉就像iPhone 15。

But the second you Pixel Peep, it does feel like an iPhone 15.

有趣的是，超广角的质量和主摄像头差不多，这很能说明问题，因为超广角通常

The funny thing is that the ultra wide is pretty much the same quality as the main, and that's saying something, because ultrawide is

实际上，超广角在中间部分表现不错，至少根据我的经验是这样。

actually The ultrawide's good in the middle, at least from my experience

什么

What do

你指的是中间部分？

mean in the middle?

所以我拍一张超广角照片，超广角的中间部分看起来，哦，

So I take an ultrawide photo, the middle section of the ultrawide looks Oh,

我明白你的意思。

I see what you're saying.

但你要是看中间以外的部分，天哪，噪点又多又模糊。

But then you look at anything that's not in the middle, and boy, is it noisy and soft.

有意思。

Interesting.

不过那也没关系。

And that's fine.

就是说，你依然能获得细节。

Like, you're still getting the detail.

这就是超广角……

That's what ultrawides...

它们主要就是能让你看到更多画面的实用功能。

They're mostly just the utility of being able to see more.

不过，是的。

But, yeah.

这和18 Pro上的超广角镜头是一样的，挺酷的。

It's the same ultrawide as on the 18 Pro, which is which is cool.

但说到底，他们还是希望你用前置摄像头来拍自拍，那个摄像头其实还不错。

But yeah, I mean, ultimately, they want you to take selfies either with the front facing camera, which actually is pretty decent.

或者。

Or.

或者把手机翻转过来。

Or by flipping it around.

不过，他们确实说过你应该这么做。

However, and they've like said, you should do this.

而且他们还为此设计了一个很酷的界面，你可以切换到自拍模式，然后把手机转过来，滑动解锁，滑动显示摄像头。

And they did make it like a cool UI interface for doing it where you switch to selfie mode and then you pull it around here and slide to unlock, slide to show camera.

你可以这么做。

And you can do that.

你可以在拍之前看到照片预览，但拿着手机这样拍真的很难。

You can see the photo you're taking before you take it, but holding the phone and taking this is extremely hard.

这真是

That's a lot

手部体操啊。

of hand gymnastics.

你自然想做的可能是这样，然后就会觉得，我要把它摔了。

The natural thing you would want to do is probably do this, and then it's like, I'm going to drop this.

手部体操很多。

A lot of hand gymnastics.

我要把它摔了。

I'm going to drop this.

我唯一觉得

The only thing I

它有用

found it useful

的地方就是，我设了定时，然后这样操作，拍了我和朋友的合照，把手机放在背包上，这样拍其实挺有用的。

for was I put on the timer, and then I did this, and I took a selfie of me and my friend, and we put it on my backpack, and it was actually useful in that way.

除此之外，这个真的很难操作，我建议直接用前置摄像头。

Other than that, this is extremely hard to do, and I would just recommend using the front camera.

你这么说我太高兴了。

I'm so glad you said that.

这个点我视频里没怎么提。

This is one thing that didn't quite make it into my video.

稍微提了一点，但我觉得如果在这上面说太多，会显得有点吹毛求疵。

It made it in a little bit, and I thought, like, if I if I hammered on this for too long, it would feel like nitpicking unnecessarily.

但就是……

But it's just...

手部动作有很多奇怪又别扭的时刻。

There's a lot of weird extra, like, hard to hold moments with the hand gymnastics.

比如，相机控制键在右下角。

Like, the camera control is the bottom corner.

所以如果这是右撇子用的手机，相机控制键在下面这里，就有点小问题。

So if this is a righty phone like this, and camera control is down here, it's a little thing.

比如说，我马上要在播客里花五分钟讲这个。

Like, I'm about to spend five minutes on the pod.

如果我在视频里讲五分钟，他们肯定会说，你怎么还在讲这个。

If I did five minutes in the video, they'd be like, why are you still talking to Yeah.

但这事儿确实有点怪，不过没关系，你大概是横着拿的，所以还好。

But, like, this is, like, kind of a weird thing, but, okay, you're probably turning it sideways, so it's okay.

然后音量键在顶部，你还得额外做个手势才能按到。

Then the volume buttons are at the top, and there's this extra shuffle that you do to, like, get there.

然后就是你刚说的那个，打开它，翻过来，才能打开相机。

Then what you're talking about, which is you open it, and then you flip it around, and then you get the camera open.

然后你把它翻过来，

And you flip it over, and

别碰到背面屏幕，可能会弄坏，然后滑一下。

don't touch the back screen, you might mess it up, and then slide.

好了，现在你就能控制它了。

Okay, now you've got the controls.

现在你得小心别碰到镜头，希望能拍好照片，结果手指又挡镜头了，所以可能得换只手。

Now you have to not touch lenses and hopefully get a photo set up, now your finger's in it, so maybe other hand.

所有这些操作，就是一堆奇怪的手势和动作。

All this stuff, it's just a lot of weird hand motions and stuff with this.

这就是为什么我希望那些花里胡哨的手机壳赶紧出来，因为它们会有折纸设计，这样操作起来就方便多了。

This is why I want all of these crazy cases to come out, because they're going to have origami and that will make this easier.

也许吧。

Maybe.

安德鲁，你想说什么？

What are gonna say, Andrew?

你知道那种情况吗？就是你想拍照的时候，有人走过来，你会问：要不要我帮你们拍张照？

Do you know when like you're trying to take a photo and someone comes up to you and you're like, would you like me to take a photo of you guys?

然后你会说：你不会用吗？

You're gonna be like, you don't know how?

不，甚至不知道你不会用。

No, not even know you don't know how.

说实话，我不放心你拿着这个东西。

Like, I don't trust you holding this thing.

哦，就像现在，你可能会把它摔了，或者我会说，开玩笑的。

Oh, Like right now, you're gonna drop this or I would be like, just kidding.

我不是开玩笑的。

I'm not.

好的。

Okay.

最好的情况是，你帮他们设置好。

Best case scenario, you set it up for them.

所以你把手机打开。

So you open it up.

你打开相机应用。

You open the camera app.

你打开双屏预览，这样你就能看到他们操作是否正确。

You turn on Duo Preview so that you can see that they're gonna do it right.

然后你这样把它递给他们。

And then you hand it to them like this.

哦，这还没完成呢。

Oh, it's never done.

你说，好吧，再高一点。

You go, all right, a little higher.

你其实可以

You can actually

引导他们。

guide them.

这样你就能得到你想要的确切镜头。

Then you can get the exact shot you want.

不过现在有人主动帮你，然后他们指挥我大概十分钟，我就想，我是在帮你们忙，咱们冷静点。

Except now that somebody offers you and then they direct me for like ten minutes, I was like, I was doing y'all a favor, let's chill out here.

所以是的，我希望下一个版本有长焦镜头。

So yeah, I hope that they had a telephoto in the next one.

我希望他们能有一个更大的传感器，但那是不可能的，

I wish they could have a bigger sensor, but that's just not going to be possible,

我觉得

I don't

除非他们能想出什么特别的物理方法。

think, unless they figure out some special physics.

但谁知道呢？

But who knows?

现在，我真的很想念长焦镜头，但我在iPhone Air上也同样想念它，这就是个妥协。

Right now, I'm really missing the telephoto lens, but I also really missed it on the iPhone Air, and that's just a compromise.

我觉得电池续航足够好，他们可以利用多余的空间来加一个摄像头。对。

I think the battery is good enough that they can use extra room to add a camera Yeah.

比如长焦镜头。

Like the telephoto.

我有点同意这个看法。

I kind of agree with that.

他们就会说，A21 Pro 更省电。

And they'll just be like, well, the a 21 Pro is even more efficient.

续航也更长。

There's even more battery life.

你们

Do you

会想念这个 Fusion 相机吗？

guys miss this has Fusion camera?

我口袋里装了七个镜头。

Seven lenses in my pocket.

这是另一回事。

That's the other thing.

也许他们应该叫它 Duo Pro 之类的，但它没有 ProRAW，也没有 ProRes，还没有……

And maybe they should have called it the Duo Pro or something, but they don't have ProRAW and they don't have ProRes and they don't have it...

当然，它有 ProMotion。

Well, they have ProMotion, obviously.

但他们没有任何那些Pro手机上的Pro功能。

But they don't have any of those, like, Pro features on a Pro phone.

我明白他们还得卖Pro iPhone。

And I understand they still have to sell Pro iPhones.

但Pro iPhone的价格只有这东西的一半。

But the Pro iPhone is half the price of this thing.

我只是想，如果你制造……

I And just think if you make...

最贵的产品应该拥有所有比它便宜的产品所具备的功能。

The most expensive thing you should make should have all the features of the ones below it, price wise.

所以，

So,

对，他们没有理由不提供ProRAW。

yeah, there's no reason they couldn't have done ProRAW.

他们在10代里把它去掉了。

They took it out in 10.

它和Pro用的是同一个处理器。

It's the same processor as the Pros.

他们应该能处理那些功能。

They should be able to do that stuff.

不应该在一个便宜1000美元的东西上得到更好的功能。

Shouldn't get better features on a thing that costs 1,000 less.

那太离谱了。

That seems insane.

这个观点很有道理。

That's a very valid take.

就是，对，Pro iPhone必须有Pro的功能。

It's just the, yeah, the pro iPhone has to get the pro stuff.

知道，但它是

Know, but it is

一款Pro iPhone。

a pro iPhone.

就是

It's just

不是，你懂吗？

not, you know?

对，就像如果你是那种特定意义上的iPhone电影人，是专业iPhone用户，那你显然会选摄像头更好的那个，

Yeah, it's like if you're the iPhone filmmaker in that specific way of being a pro iPhone user, then you obviously get the one with the better cameras,

尽管真正的电影人更喜欢4:3而不是21:9。

even though real filmmakers like four by three more than they like 21 by nine.

还有就是，你打算在手机上剪辑吗？

It's also, are you going to edit on the phone or not?

因为如果你打算在手机上剪辑，那也许你会选摄像头差一点的那个，因为它的屏幕更适合剪辑。

Because if you are, then maybe you do get the one with the worst cameras because it has the better screen to edit on.

嗯，我不确定这是不是更好的屏幕，

Well, I don't know if this is a better screen to

用来剪辑。

edit on.

我就是这个意思。

That's what I'm saying.

哦，想想，对。

Oh, think, yeah.

也许这就是他们的计划。

Maybe that's their plan.

所以你买iPhone 18 Pro Max来拍所有东西，然后把所有内容传到你的iPhone Duo上，在里面剪辑。

So you buy the iPhone 18 Pro Max to film everything and then transfer it all to your iPhone Duo to then edit on the inside.

没人会

No one's

在那上面剪辑。

editing on that thing.

我不会在那上面剪辑。

I'm not going to edit on that.

现在有一代人没有电脑，所有事情都在手机上完成，肯定有人会这么做。

Somebody out there who doesn't like, there is a generation right now that does not have a computer that does everything on their phone.

这还挺酷的

And this is kind of sick

对他们来说。

for them.

据说剪映在内屏上其实很好用，因为右边能看到完整的时间线，然后还能看到自己的脸。

Apparently CapCut on the inner display is actually really useful because you can see the full timeline on the right, and then you can see your face on

已经优化好了吗？

Is it optimized already?

对，有几个。

Yeah, there's a couple.

剪映做得不错。

Good on CapCut.

而且

And

我得说，对于优化过的应用，各位开发者，我现在正在为我很多应用寻找替代品。

I will say on optimized apps, developers out there, I'm looking for alternatives for a lot of my apps right now.