YouTube 有史以来最糟糕的主意……

然后他们就是在上面随便加点AI功能。

And then they're sort of just sprinkling the AI stuff on top.

它并不是一个专门带安卓功能的Gemini笔记本。

It's not specifically a Gemini book with Android capabilities.

它更像是一个安卓——

It's more of an Android-

感觉更像。

Feels way more.

Gemini功能。

Gemini capability.

安卓桌面，对。

Android desktop, yeah.

很多地方还是那样，它仍然有Play商店，所有应用都来自Play商店。

A lot of it was like, it still has Play Store and all of the apps are from the Play Store.

通过那个，有些东西，比如它说，如果某些东西是针对Googlebook优化的，为Googlebook打造的，或者更适合在网页浏览器里用。

Through that, there's certain, like it says, if things are optimized for Googlebook, made for Googlebook, or just better used in a web browser.

我觉得这就像Steam Deck那样。

I think it's like a Steam Deck thing.

没错。

Exactly.

针对SteamOS优化。

Optimized for SteamOS.

然后你还可以从手机镜像过去。

And then in that you can also mirror from your phone.

有个叫“继续”的功能，让你在应用之间无缝切换。

So there's something called continue on, which lets you between apps just let you continue on between them.

或者手机镜像就是，如果你的Googlebook上没有那个应用，你还可以连着手机用，照样能操作。

Or the phone mirroring just literally means if you don't have the app on your Googlebook, you can still use it connected to your phone and do that.

它会弹出一个手机大小的小窗口。

It pops up in a little phone sized screen.

你可以在上面操作，挺酷的。

And you can do things on there, which is pretty cool.

尤其是如果你觉得用键盘操作更方便的话。

Especially if you think something with a keyboard is easier.

对，我觉得这些设计都挺有道理的。

Yeah, I think a lot of this makes sense.

有意思的是，当初他们让安卓适配更多屏幕尺寸的时候，我们都在想，这大概是因为他们在做折叠屏，所以需要支持各种不同尺寸的屏幕。

It's funny because when they were making Android more compatible with multiple screen sizes, we were all kind of like, oh, well, it's a combination of one, they're making foldables, so they want foldables of various different screen sizes.

另外，现在他们有了类似Dex的体验，可以把手机接到显示器上，然后想提供类似Chrome OS的使用体验。

Two, they have like a Dex like experience now where you can plug in your phone into a display and you want to be able to use like a Chrome OS type experience.

但现在，灵活的屏幕尺寸就很有意义了，因为当你在笔记本电脑上继续操作时，你希望从手机到笔记本的过渡非常顺畅。

But now the flexible display sizes makes a lot of sense because now when you continue on on your laptop, you want it to transition very seamlessly from your phone to your laptop.

所以让安卓变得非常灵活，对他们来说是有好处的。

So making Android very flexible is in their benefit here.

看看它会和哪些产品竞争会很有意思，因为既然是高端产品，就得跟一些高端的东西比。

It'll be interesting to see what this competes with, because being premium, you've got to compare it to some premium stuff.

我还有点好奇，在没有网络连接的情况下，它的功能表现如何。

I also still kind of wonder how functional it is without an internet connection.

比如说，我们之前聊到Chromebook是那种依赖网络的东西。

Like, were talking about Chromebooks being the online thing.

它的用法就是，你打开Chrome，然后在Chrome里做你平时做的事情。

Like, what they do is you have Chrome, and you do the things you do in Chrome.

如果没有网络连接，Chromebook就没什么用了。

And if you don't have an internet connection, a Chromebook's not very useful.

那这个设备能有多大用处呢？

How useful will this be?

对我来说，这就是为什么它感觉更像安卓。

To me, that's why it feels more like Android.

我可以有离线的照片和照片编辑应用或工具，即使没有网络，我也能正常使用，一切都能正常工作。

I can have an offline photo and a photo editing app or tool, and I can still do that offline and everything will work.

所以这方面应该没问题。

So that should be fine.

但我就是好奇，Gemini的功能到底有多强。

But I'm just curious, like, much Gemini stuff.

我觉得Rambler可以离线使用。

I think Rambler works offline.

其他很多功能也能离线用吗？

Much other stuff works offline?

部分功能可以离线使用。

Works partially offline.

部分？

Partially?

通过互联网，然后传到你的手机上。

To the Internet and then your phone.

就像在手机上，有个功能是你拍张照片，它会立刻出现在你的文件里。

Like, you know how on the phone, one of the features is you take a picture and it'll show up instantly in your files.

这个功能在没有蓝牙或Wi-Fi的情况下也能用吗？

Will that work with

没有蓝牙或Wi-Fi的情况下也能用吗？

no Bluetooth or Wi Fi?

那是我直接传到设备上的。

That's my directly to the device.

这就是我的问题。

That is my question

当然。

for sure.

对，我还没得到答案。

Yeah, I did not get an answer on that.

我真的不太清楚那个文件共享功能是怎么运作的，或者应用共享功能是怎么运作的。

Don't really know how that file sharing thing works or how the app sharing thing works.

我希望它是直接传到手机上的。

I'm hoping it's direct to the phone.

那会是最理想的。

That would be ideal.

对，我们拭目以待吧。

Yeah, we'll see.

我们看看吧。

We'll see.

所以，是的，十年的更新，季度更新，和安卓类似。

So yeah, ten years of updates, quarterly updates similar to Android.

再说一次，谷歌承诺十年更新，这真是我见过最让人担心的事了。

Again, ten years coming from Google is the most worrisome thing I've ever seen.

AI会害死我们的。

AI is gonna kill us

用十

with a 10

年前的。

year old.

但如果你想了解更多，9to5Google的Jordan有一个很好的视频，他介绍并展示了很多内容，而且10月4日就能看到了。

But if you wanna know more, Jordan from 9to5Google had a very good video on it and covered and showed a lot of the stuff and also available October 4.

所以再说一次，预告，媒体。

So again, teaser, press.

特别是因为发布会这种场合，Rambler是AI在成千上万人聚集的房间里的一大亮点。

Especially because press was something where Rambler is one of the main features of AI in a room full of a billion people.

但一个Rambler实际运行的例子都没看到，因为它听不见你说话，不过——

Haven't seen a single example of Rambler working on it because it can't hear you, but

哦，那倒是挺有意思的。

Oh, well, that's funny.

10月4号，这日子挺巧的，因为第一代Pixel就是在2016年10月4号发布的。

October 4, funny date because the Pixel one was launched on 10/04/2016.

每年十月我都想，这是要发生什么？

Every year, October I'm like, what happens?

今天到底有什么大事？

Like what's going on today?

感觉今天是个重要的日子。

Today feels like an important day.

我就想，哦，原来是因为那次发布会，那日子我记得特别牢。

I'm like, oh, it was just because when that event happened, I had it like drilled into

他们特别强调了2016年10月4日，因为Hiroshi Lachheimer说过，八年后，你会认不出Android了。

They my made a big deal about 10/04/2016, because Hiroshi Lachheimer said in eight years, you're going to not going to recognize Android.

所以他们在这一天发布产品挺引人注目的，因为，这是否说明他们对这个产品有什么看法？

So it's it's notable that they're releasing it on that day because like, does that say something about what they think about this product?

可能吧。

It probably is.

还是只是巧合？

Or is it just random?

可能是巧合。

Probably random.

毕竟是谷歌。

It's Google.

说到智能手机相关的事，高通发布了他们新的两纳米芯片组。

Speaking of, smartphone related things sometimes, Qualcomm has launched their new two nanometer chipsets.

通常他们在骁龙峰会上发布旗舰芯片，但今年他们发布了旗舰版和旗舰精英版。

Usually at Snapdragon Summit, they launch their flagship, but this year they launched a flagship and an elite version of the flagship.

我觉得我其实能解释清楚这个，虽然这些名字真的很难听。

So I feel like I can actually explain this, even though the names are They're really bad.

确实太难听了。

They're so bad.

好吧。

Okay.

所以现在有一款新的骁龙8至尊版第六代，嗯。

So there's a new Snapdragon eight Elite Gen six Mhmm.

还有一款骁龙8至尊极限版第六代。

And a Snapdragon eight Elite Extreme Gen six.

对。

Yep.

所以每年差不多这个时候，我们就会开始看到搭载新芯片的第一批手机。

So every year around this time, we start to get, like, the first phones with the new chip.

而新的旗舰芯片，从名字就能看出来，就是骁龙8至尊版第六代。

And so the new flagship chip, as you can tell by the name, is the Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen six.

比如，我们之前有那个，在哪里来着

Like, we had the where is

它？

it?

骁龙精英至尊版第六代。

The Snapdragon Elite Extreme Gen six.

好吧。

Well, okay.

这个，我现在手里拿的就是一加15。

This was I have the OnePlus 15 in my hands right now.

它搭载的是骁龙8精英版第五代。

This had the Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen five.

那是高通最高端的芯片。

And that was the highest end chip from Qualcomm.

而且你看到的是，不同的制造商根据他们的设备，用不同的方式去调校它。

And what you saw is you had, like, different manufacturers tuning it different ways based on their device.

针对Galaxy的。

For Galaxy.

所以你有

So you had the

四款Galaxy和三星手机。

four Galaxy one and Samsung phones.

如果你有像ROG手机那样的，他们会稍微超频一下，获得最高的时钟频率和最好的性能。

If you had, like, an ROG phone, they would, like, overclock it a little bit and get, like, the best highest clock speeds best possible one or whatever.

所以我相当确定这里的情况是，我们有了新的骁龙8 Elite第六代。

So I'm pretty sure what's happening here is we have a new Snapdragon eight Elite Gen six.

然后对于那些想要更高时钟频率、额外性能或者多几帧的人来说，他们有一个稍微高时钟频率的版本，叫做骁龙8 Elite Extreme第六代。

And then for the ones that want to get a little higher clock speed, a little extra performance or whatever, those extra few frames, they have a slightly higher clocked version called the Snapdragon eight Elite Extreme Gen six.

这个名字很糟糕，但它只是同一芯片的稍微高性能版本。

It's a terrible name, but all it is is a slightly higher performing version of the same chip.

嗯，这让我想知道，会不会有骁龙8 Elite Extreme第六代针对Galaxy的版本？

Well, that's that makes me wonder, will there be a Snapdragon eight Elite Extreme Gen six for Galaxy?

这个问题问得好。

That's a good question.

对，我也在想那个“For Galaxy”版本的事。

Yeah, I do wonder about the four Galaxy thing.

因为每次听到“For Galaxy”，他们总是解释说，哦，就是多几个NPU功能，多几个特性，再加一点主频。

Because whenever you hear four Galaxy, they always explained it as like, oh yeah, a couple extra NPU things here, a couple extra features there, whatever, a little extra clock speed.

但是

But

你知道，那个芯片别的地方都没有。

you know, that chip wasn't anywhere else.

所以你真的没法拿它跟别的比。

So you couldn't really compare it to anything else.

所以，是的。

So Yeah.

这个还得看情况。

TBD on that.

所以它有一些新功能。

So it has some new features.

它可以录制8K 60帧每秒的视频，或者4K 240帧每秒。

It can do eight k 60 FPS recording or four k two forty.

马奎斯非常高兴。

Marques is very happy.

他想要更多8K的内容。

He wants more eight k.

支持APB编解码器，还有更大的共享内存池给MPU，以及为GPU配备的AI专用矩阵核心，还有更多内存以提升游戏性能。

Support for the APB codec and also a larger shared memory pool for the MPU and an AI dedicated matrix cores for GPU and more memory for better gaming performance.

这么热情是什么意思？

Does some so enthusiastic mean?

我觉得它会更快。

I think it'll be faster.

好的。

Okay.

所以大家都在说，今年的Extreme芯片相比普通版升级幅度挺小的。

So people are saying that the Extreme chip is a pretty minor upgrade over the regular one this year.

所以接下来就看谁会用这颗芯片了，因为我相信高通肯定会为这些芯片多收不少钱。

So it's gonna be interesting who decides to use it, because I'm sure that Qualcomm is going to charge quite a bit extra for those chips.

不过有一家公司在用，就是摩托罗拉，他们提前发布了一款新设备，叫摩托罗拉Signature 27。

One company who is using it though, is Motorola, who has pre announced a new device called the Motorola Signature 27.

好的。

Okay.

马奎斯，你见过这款手机了吗？

Have you seen this phone yet, Marques?

没有。

No.

请点击链接。

Please click the link.

等等，我确实看到过这个的截图。

Wait, I did see a screenshot of this.

好的。

Okay.

除了我看到的那些，其他我其实也不太了解。

I don't really know anything else other than what I saw.

这手机看起来真搞笑。

This is a hilarious looking phone.

这手机看起来真奇怪。

It's a really weird looking phone.

它有四个摄像头，还有一个不知道是什么的黑点。

It has four cameras and an ambiguous black dot that we're not sure what it is yet.

周围有个闪光灯。

There's a flash around it.

对，周围有个闪光灯。

Yeah, there's a flash around it.

所以还不太确定。

So not totally sure.

他们对这款手机的规格参数含糊其辞。

They are being very ambiguous with the specs of this phone.

他们公布了一些规格，但没有全部公布。

They have announced a few of the specs, but not all of them.

这款手机预计在年底发布。

It's supposed to launch the end of the year.

它显然搭载了骁龙8至尊版第六代处理器。

It's got obviously the Snapdragon 8 Elite Extreme Gen six.

黑色版本是铝合金机身，背面有编织战术纹理，绿色版本则是拉丝织物质感。

Aluminum with a woven tactical back texture on the black and a brushed textile finish on the green version.

好的。

Okay.

他们把这个叫做相机平台，或者叫相机平面。

They call this the camera plateau, they call it the camera plane.

它不是个凸起的小台子。

It's not a mesa.

嗯，它是逐渐升高的。

Well, it gradually goes up.

它是斜着上去的。

It slopes up.

有点像dbrand的手机壳，他们做的那种。

Kind of like the dbrand cases, they've made it.

现在他们的壳也是斜的。

Like it slopes on them now.

它是斜着上去的。

It slopes up.

所以它不是平的，它是那个相机斜面。

So it's not, it's the camera plane.

不是那种平顶的，也不是那种台地式的。

It's not the mesa, it's not the plateau.

一共有四个摄像头。

There's four cameras.

主摄像头，有一个两亿像素的潜望式长焦镜头和一个五千万像素的主摄像头，他们对此大加宣传，因为那是一个新的索尼传感器，据说非常厉害。

The main, the there's a periscope 200 megapixel telephoto and a 50 megapixel main camera, which they were talking big about because it was some new Sony sensor that's supposed to be a really big deal.

说到摄像头，真是很快。

Really quick with cameras.

我有点困惑，因为几乎每次你看到摄像头，里面有个矩形切口，那就意味着是潜望式的，除了右上角的那个摄像头。

I'm confused because almost anytime when you see a camera and like a rectangle cut out inside, that means periscope, except this other camera in the top right

就是说——嗯，它们两个都可能是。

says- Well, they could both

可能是潜望式的。

be periscope.

杜比视界，两亿像素，100倍超级变焦。

Dolby Vision 200 megapixel 100x super zoom.

对，我也不清楚。

Yeah, I don't know.

谁知道呢，兄弟？

Who knows, man?

而且摄像头中间还印了个Bang & Olufsen的logo，看起来特别丑。

There's also a Bang and Olufsen logo, like right in between all the cameras, which looks really ugly.

我顺便提一句，最近好多公司都在重新设计logo。

And I just wanted to note really quickly, we've seen a lot of companies redesigning their logos recently.

迈凯伦刚换了新logo。

McLaren just redesigned their logo.

最近确实有不少公司都在改logo。

There's been a lot of company redesigns.

我觉得B&O可能也得赶紧改了。

I think B and O might have to do it soon.

谁知道呢。

I don't know, man.

这个看起来像那种廉价品牌的logo，这是他们以前的logo吗？

This looks like one of those value Is logo this their historical logo?

对，这就是他们以前的logo。

This is their historical logo.

我不知道是不是因为放在90上，或者是因为……

I don't if it just looks extra worse because it's on a 90 or a- They're

领先于

ahead of

他们的时代，兄弟。

their time, man.

这太糟糕了。

This is terrible.

所以它配备了Bang和Olufsen的音响，我猜他们不得不把它塞在摄像头之间。

So it's got Bang and Olufsen audio, and I guess they had to slap that in between the cameras.

要我说，这对我来说毫无意义。

To point out, that means nothing to me.

所以我真的……这可能……不，它不会给我带来任何好处。

So I literally This might No, it's not gonna give me shit.

小心点，Marques。

Careful, Marques.

说实话，每家公司都想告诉你他们有杜比环绕声支持什么的，但我从来不会记下来。

Legitimately Every single company wants to tell you that they have Dolby surround support or whatever, and I literally never write it down.

我根本不在乎。

I do not care.

每当你说，哦，扬声器是Bang & Olufsen的，或者是这个那个的，我都不在乎。

Whenever you say, oh, speakers are by Bang and Olufsen or by by this extra, do not care.

我只想了解

I just wanna learn

一些三星的扬声器？

some Samsung speakers?

杜比那东西就是，它支持他们的特定规格。

Well, Dolby thing just is like, it supports their exact spec.

现在感觉有点像DxO mark了。

It kind of feels like like DxO mark at this point.

就像，要拿到杜比认证，也许Ellis，你知道的，就得按照杜比说的去做，然后你就能得到

Like, doesn't to hit a Dolby certification, maybe Ellis, you know this, like, have to just do it the way Dolby says, and then you get

这在手机里是什么意思？

the What does that mean in a phone?

就是说环绕立体声效果很好。

Just means nice surround stereo image.

我也不太清楚。

I don't know.

不是那个意思。

Not that In

在手机里，我该怎么解释呢？

a phone, how do I explain this?

在手机里，这更多跟DSP和编解码器有关，而不是硬件规格。

In a phone, it has lot more to do, it has less to do with hardware specs and more to do with DSP and codec stuff.

这是最好的解释方式了。

That's like the best way to put it.

意思是，像响度这类计算，内部处理会经过杜比引擎。

It's meaning that the internal processing that's calculating things like loudness is going to be put through the Dolby engine.

这并不意味着你就能得到那么多。

It does not mean that you'll get that much.

另外，如果它支持杜比全景声，而你在看的内容是用杜比全景声编码的，这跟普通的PCM音频流不一样，那么手机就能直接把它解码到驱动扬声器的功放上。

What it also means is if it's Dolby Atmos supported, if you're watching content that's encoded in Dolby Atmos, which is different than a normal PCM audio stream, the phone will be able to decode it directly to the amp that's driving the speaker.

这是否意味着你会获得更出色的播放体验，也许不一定。

Whether that means you'll get a superior playback experience, maybe it doesn't

这正是我要说的重点。

That's my main point.

这很难说。

That's who to say.

但这确实意味着，如果你在流媒体服务上看有杜比全景声的内容，你至少会知道你收到的是杜比全景声流。所以你在想，这款手机上的杜比视界也是这样的。

But it does mean that if you're watching something on a streaming service that has Dolby Atmos, you will at least know you're getting a Dolby Atmos stream your So you're thinking the Dolby Vision that is also on this phone.

这款手机没有杜比全景声吗？

There is no Dolby Atmos on this phone?

是杜比视界。

It's Dolby Vision.

杜比视界也是另一个没什么实际意义的东西。

Dolby Vision is another one that means nothing.

杜比视界是一个特定的HDR标准。

Dolby Vision is a specific HDR standard.

它是一种特定的HDR编码方案，我觉得它是逐帧处理HDR的。

It's a specific HDR encoding schema that I think does frame by frame HDR.

它并不是在做某种

It's not doing any sort

几乎和我谷歌搜索出来的结果一模一样，一字不差。

of Almost exactly from my Google search, word for word.

去，埃利斯。

Go Ellis.

天哪，埃利斯是AI概览吗？

Damn, Ellis is AI overview?

不，我喜欢标准和编解码器。

No, I love standards and codecs

之类的。

and stuff.

我的意思是，我看到设备上的规格表，写着最大亮度多少尼特，对比度多少，支持什么HDR。

And I mean, I'll see a spec sheet on a device that says it has this max number of nits and this contrast ratio and supports this HDR.

我就觉得，那也挺好的。

And I'm like, that's also nice.

不错。

Great.

它能支持HDR，能实现高亮度之类的HDR效果。

It will work with HDR and it will do the HDR effects with the high brightness and stuff.

然后我看到杜比视界，就觉得这基本上是一回事。

And I see Dolby Vision, and I'm like, that basically is the same thing.

我对杜比视界没什么特别的感觉。

I don't feel a special way about getting Dolby

视界。

Vision.

是的，我是说，总会有这些人在标准化的东西的开源版本之类的。

Yeah, I mean, there's always like an open source version of the thing that these people are standardizing and stuff.

对，它不是，我不会说它是ProRes，但我觉得你可以把它想成类似ProRes的东西，就是说如果你用支持ProRes的相机拍摄，然后在Mac上用Final Cut剪辑，你就能充分利用那个数据协议。

Yeah, it's not, I wouldn't say it is ProRes, but I think you can think of it in a similar way to ProRes in the sense of if you're shooting on a camera that supports ProRes and then you're editing in Final Cut on a Mac, you can get the full experience and use out of that data protocol.

它不像ProRes那样是个标准。

It's not a standard like ProRes is.

完全不是那回事。

It's not anything like that.

但我觉得可以这么理解。

But that's the way I would think about it.

就像如果你在那个工作流程里，那就说得通。

It's like if you're in that pipeline, it makes sense.

理论上，如果因为某种原因你用这个拍了要放到杜比影院的东西，你可以从头到尾走完整个流程。

And in theory, if for some reason you shot something on this that you would put in a Dolby theater, you could go end to end.

说清楚点，这让我觉得没意思了。

To be clear ruined it for me.

MacBook Neo。

The MacBook Neo.

我记得第一次拿到MacBook Neo的演示机，听它的扬声器时，他们说，别担心，这些是杜比全景声扬声器。

I remember getting the demo from the MacBook Neo and listening to the speakers for the first time, and they said, don't worry, these are Dolby Atmos speakers.

我一按播放，就觉得，这声音也太难听了。

And I hit play, I was like, these sound terrible.

所以每次听到杜比全景声，我都会提醒自己，这不代表音质就好。

So whenever I hear Dolby Atmos, I just make sure to remind myself, that doesn't mean they sound good.

不代表你

Doesn't mean that you

只要听别人说，你听起来不错。

just Watching anyone just say like, you sound good.

你们自己听听看。

Listen for yourselves.

因为就像相机背面印着徕卡标志，你会觉得，哦，那肯定不错。

Need- Because it's like the, when you put Leica on the back of a camera, you're supposed to go, oh, that means it's good.

当他们把那种特别的名字和合作方放在一起时，就让人觉得这肯定和品质挂钩。

When they put like the special name with the collaborative, like that, it's supposed to associate with quality.

我觉得杜比在很多方面已经变成了这样。

And I think that's what Dolby has become in many ways.

他们就说，哦，这是杜比全景声认证的。

They go, oh, it's Dolby Atmos certified.

那肯定有那种震撼人心的好音效。

It must have this big booming amazing sound.

但实际上并不是这么回事。

But it doesn't actually mean that.

这些品牌标签其实挺模糊的，因为有时候意味着他们真的和产品方合作，去优化产品，让它变得更好。

These branding things are really ambiguous because sometimes it means that they worked with them on the product to actually optimize it and make it better.

但有时候只是贴了个标而已。

But sometimes it means they just slapped a logo on

贴在某个东西的背面。

the back of something.

至少Atmos绝不会只是一个标志，因为理论上如果设备上有Atmos标志，就意味着设备里运行着Atmos引擎。

At Atmos, at the very least, will never be a logo because in theory if it has an Atmos logo on it, it means there's an Atmos engine running in the device.

但这并不代表有人做了什么，可能只是随便装进去的。

It doesn't mean that anyone did anything more than just staple it in there.

然后从专业的角度来看，

And then from the professional side

嗯，

of

在Atmos环境下工作真的非常棒。

things, working in Atmos is really, really nice.

当你制作空间音频时，工作环境很舒适。

When you're making a spatial audio thing, the work environment is nice.

而且让人很放心的是，无论这个音频在什么设备上播放，空间效果都会和你听到的录音室版本一样可靠、准确、相似。

And it's also really nice to know that no matter what device this is getting played back on, it will be a reliable, accurate, similar thing spatially to what you heard in the studio.

因为在我看来，这正是Atmos最擅长的地方。

Because that to me is what Atmos is really good at.

它擅长的是说，嘿，这个声音应该在这里。

It's good at saying like, hey, this sound is supposed to be over here.

这个设备有多少个扬声器。

This device has x many speakers.

我会这样平衡它们来实现这个效果。

I'm going to balance them like that to make that happen.

我觉得如果人们了解杜比和杜比全景声的真正含义，那么当你看到它获得杜比全景声认证时，你就会知道该关注什么。

And I think that that's what if people know that about about Dolby and about what Dolby Atmos actually means, then when you see that it's Dolby Atmos certified, you will know what to look for.

我认为对于大多数不了解杜比全景声的人来说，它主要是为了给你一种高品质扬声器的印象，但实际情况并不总是这样。

I think for most people who don't know what Dolby Atmos means, it's designed to give you the impression of high quality speakers in general, and it doesn't always mean that.

我可能不该讲这个故事。

I probably shouldn't tell the story.

但我还是要讲。

I'm gonna tell it anyway.

有一次

One time

很多这种小测试。

A lot of these little spot tests.

有一次我参加一个Atmos的活动，有个杜邦的代表跟我说，嘿，哥们儿，我们很喜欢Waveform。

I was at an Atmos event, and a Dolby rep was like, hey man, love Waveform.

我说，谢谢。

I was like, thank you.

他说，你知道吗，RSS订阅现在支持Atmos了。

He's like, did you know RSS feeds now support Atmos?

所以你可以把Waveform和Atmos结合起来。

So you can do Waveform and Atmos.

我说，你知道Waveform和Atmos吗？

I said, you know Waveform and Atmos?

我说，那有什么意义呢？

I said, well, what's the point?

我为什么要那么做？

Why would I do that?

我能从中得到什么好处呢？

What would I get out of that?

然后他说，我也不知道。

And he went, I don't know.

所以你可以放一个杜比的标志在上面。

So you could have the logo that says it's a Dolby.

你可以把它放在播客的封面艺术里，杜比全景声。

You could put it in the artwork of the podcast, Dolby Atmos.

对，我们应该这么做。

Yeah, we should.

那太棒了。

That'd be incredible.

嗯，

Well,

需要说明的是，摩托罗拉签名27并没有这个，它用的是铂傲的音响。

to be clear, the Motorola Signature 27 does not have It has Bang and Olufsen.

我还是不知道这算不算好事。

And I still don't know if that's good.

对，他们可能故意对这款手机的规格含糊其辞。

Did so Yeah, much to they're being probably intentionally vague about the specs of this phone.

他们只公布了一部分。

They released a few of them.

我觉得重点是他们想宣布自己会率先搭载骁龙8 Elite Extreme第六代。

I think the big thing is that they just wanted to announce that they were going to be the first ones with the Snapdragon 8 Elite Extreme Gen six.

我也觉得特别好笑，因为每年都有八款不同的手机出来，都说自己是第一款。

I also get a really big kick out of that because every year eight different phones come out and they say they're the first one.

这真的挺搞笑的。

And it's really They funny to

他还用Googlebook写了这篇文章，因为标题全是小写。

also wrote this article on a Googlebook because it's all lowercase in the title.

有意思。

Interesting.

但第一个车道那里有个大写的T。

But there is an uppercase T for the first lane.

不管是什么

Whatever it was

就在下面。

down there.

到那一步就放弃了。

Gave up at that point.

总之，就这样吧。

Anyway, that was that.

接下来我们还有很多内容要聊。

So we got a ton coming up.

我觉得我们得休息一下，因为休息之后，我们要聊很多关于苹果的传闻，我可能

I feel like we got to take a break because after the break, we're going to talk about a lot of Apple rumors that I may

可能已经预测到了，也可能没有。

or may not have predicted,

还有一款新的OnePlus 16，会让Marques哭出来，我也不会真的把他埋了。

and a new OnePlus 16 that will make Marques cry, and I will not indeed bury him with.

但首先，

But first,

我们得玩个问答游戏。

we gotta do trivia.

暂停一下。

Time out.

那是我的问答游戏。

That's my trivia.

哦，不，那是那个……

Oh, no, that's That

我还以为是暂停呢。

thought it was time out.

大家都这么叫，我还以为你说的是暂停呢。

Universally, I called You thought it was like time out.

然后你就说，等等，那是技术问题吗？

And then you were like, wait, is that technical?

不，那是冷知识。

No, it's trivia.

是冷知识。

It's trivia.

挺好的。

It's good.

各位，之前我真的很想问你们一个关于艾克佐迪亚的问题。

Guys, earlier, I really wanted to ask you a question about Exodia

因为那些“毁灭！”

because these Obliterate!

你说了五块什么东西。

You said five pieces of something.

答案本来应该是“毁灭”。

The answer would have been obliterate.

太好了。

So nice.

但我要问你这个问题，今天我们早些时候谈到了两纳米芯片工艺。

But instead I'm gonna ask you this question, is earlier today we talked about a two nanometer chip process.

天哪，我也真的很想问，为什么会有x86 Google Books？

God, also really wanted to be like, why are there x86 Google Books?

这完全说不通。

That doesn't make any sense.

我们没时间了。

We don't have time.

今天要聊的太多了。

There's so much talk about today.

两纳米芯片工艺，两纳米大约是一根什么的宽度？

Two nanometer chip process, two nanometers is about the width of a strand of what?

我知道。

I know.

答案在最后揭晓。

Answer at the end.

如果你们看过关于晶体管尺寸的视频，这就是个随堂小测验。

It's a pop quiz if you guys watched the video about transistor size.

那两纳米就是一根头发丝的宽度了。

Two nanometers in a run then.

对，但三纳米也差不多，挺接近的。

Yeah, but three nanometers was, and that's pretty close.

兄弟，那可就厚了50%啊。

I don't know, that's 50% thicker, bro.

不知道。

Don't know.

对，不过埃利斯说过大概。

Yeah, well Ellis said about.

在

At

在那个尺度上，一切都差不多。

that scale everything's about.

怎么

How

差不多？

about?

不，不是的。

No, it's not.

因为我最初的问题是，给我说出一个两纳米宽的东西。

Because my original question is to be like, name me something that's two nanometers wide.

没那么多。

Not that much.

算了。

Anyway.

好吧。

All right.

我们会搞定的。

We'll figure it out.

两个一纳米的芯片。

Two one nanometer chips.

没错。

That's true.

嗯，不是芯片，而是

Well, not chips, but

东西。

Things.

晶体管。

Transistors.

晶体管。

Transistors.

好吧，就这样。

Anyway, okay.

我们待会儿还是会崩溃的。

We will still crash out later.

我们马上回来。

We'll be right back.

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That's right.

你可以在shopify.com/waveform开始免费试用。

You can start your free trial at shopify.com/waveform.

就是shopify.com/waveform。

That's shopify.com/waveform.

说到你公司的网站，你不应该非得在快速易更新和定制化又好看之间做选择。

When it comes to your business's website, you shouldn't have to choose between something that's fast and easy to update or something that's customized to your needs and looks great.

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Framer gives you the best of both worlds.

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Agents and humans work in tandem, so agents bring speed and scale.

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网址是framer.com/wave。

That's framer.com/wave.

可能适用相关条款和限制。

Rules and restrictions may apply.

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你有没有过这种沮丧的感觉：会议结束时大家都点头同意，但第二天翻笔记时，却发现自己完全忘了该做什么？

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This way, you get better notes in a single central place while you get to stay present in your meetings without extra work.

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Once you try it in a first meeting, it's hard to go without it.

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就是 granola.ai/wave，帮你把时间省回来。

That's granola.ai/wave to get your time back.

去granola.ai/wave，下次通话时试试吧。

Go to granola.ai/wave and try it on your next call.

好的。

Alright.

欢迎回来。

Welcome back.

大卫，我赶紧给你看个视频。

Real quick, David, I need to show you a video.

安德鲁，你应该已经看过了吧？

Andrew, you've seen this already, I think?

我好像

I'm pretty

已经看过了。

sure I saw it already.

好的。

Okay.

这就是新的华为Watch D3。

So this is the new Huawei Watch d three.

好的。

Okay.

我甚至不打算给你看字幕，

And I'm not even gonna show you the caption,

我直接播放。

I'm just gonna hit play.

我看到了。

I saw that.

好的。

Okay.

所以这是一款手表。

So it's a watch.

哇。

Woah.

等一下。

Wait a second.

太快了。

Too That

太快了。

quick.

它里面会充气吗？

It inflates on the inside?

是的。

Yes.

我猜这是个血压计。

I'm assuming it's a blood pressure cuff.

哦，对。

Oh, yes.

它会充气，

It inflates The

白色腕带三号。

whitewashi three.

白色腕带内置充气臂带，这样你就能获得最大压力。

Whitewashi Has a built in inflatable armband so that you can get maximum pressure It on the

确实够大，能包住你的手臂。

does get big enough for your arm.

这样你就能测量——

So that you can measure-

但你也可以用在手臂上，不一定非得只用它。

But you can use it on your arm, don't have to only use it

看起来像是有人还在你手腕上。

your It looks like someone's still your wrist.

在你手腕上，它……

On your It's

还在你手腕上，但不管怎样它都在充气，对，就是这样。

still on your wrist, but it's doing the inflating thing anyway to Yeah, get your yeah.

这是个充气的，好吧。

It's an inflatable Yeah, okay.

我明白，我们一直在推出这些手表，试图做健康监测，但它们显然没有合适的传感器。

It's like, I get it that we keep having all these watches trying to do health metrics that they clearly don't have the proper sensors to do.

但我不需要牺牲，我不需要每五分钟量一次血压。

But I don't need to sacrifice, I don't need to take my blood pressure every five minutes.

我不需要一直这样。

I don't need that all of the time.

现在看起来就是很笨重。

Now it just looks cumbersome.

我得说，很多健康应用和健身穿戴设备要求越来越多的健康数据，这些数据通常是从医生那里得到的。

I will say that a lot of these health apps and health fitness wearables are requesting more and more of your health data that you would get from a doctor.

你知道，比如新的苹果健康应用，为了完成它那些花瓣，那些告诉你眼睛状况的小花瓣，你必须导入你所有的血液检查结果，很多人会说，我好久没做血液检查了。

You know, like the new Apple Health app, in order to complete the petals that it has, the little petals that tell you about all your eyes, you have to import all of your blood tests, which a lot of people I was like, I haven't done a blood test in forever.

然后我意识到我其实做过，那是我十年来第一次血液检查。

Then I realized I actually did, which was my first blood test in like ten years.

但我把所有那些数据都导入了，现在我有我的花瓣了。

But I imported all that stuff, and then I now have my pedal.

但我觉得很多公司都在想办法让更多人不用去看医生就能获得这些健康指标。

But I think that a lot of these companies are trying to figure out ways that more people can access these types of metrics without going to a doctor.

这就是他们的卖点。

That's their whole thing.

去掉它。

Get rid of it.

我想在手腕上做这件事是

I guess doing it on your wrist is

有点意思。

something.

我有点觉得这只是他们能说他们有而别人没有的一个小功能。

A part of me just feels like this is one speck that they can say that they have that not everybody can say that they have.

这感觉有点傻，比如，哦对，我们有你的心率，有你的血氧，有这个那个，这个那个，还能以最高精度测血压。

Which feels a little silly, like, oh yeah, we your have heart rate, we have your blood oxygen, we have this, that, this, that, this, that, and you can do a blood pressure reading with maximum accuracy.

我在想，手腕是不是真的适合测血压，因为通常都是绑在手臂上测的。我觉得如果他们真想这么做，干脆出一个像小圆盘一样的东西，扣在手表上，然后绑到手臂上就行了。

I wonder if your wrist is even a great place to take it, because usually they take it on your arm, and I feel like if they were gonna do that, they just release a puck that like attaches to the watch and then goes on your arm.

因为就像你说的，你不可能每天都去测血压或者抽血。

Because like you said, you're not going to take blood tests or blood pressure tests every day.

也许你会呢。

Maybe you are.

测血压其实需要在比较特定的条件下进行，比如你要保持平静，双脚平放在地上，袖带要跟心脏差不多高度。

It's just like blood pressure tests you're supposed to take in like pretty specific scenarios of like, you're calm, your feet are flat on the floor, the cuff is near around level with your heart.

如果你在地铁上匆匆忙忙的，突然想测一下，那结果会怎么样？

If you're just like on the subway rushing, you're like, Oh, what did it take?

读数会差很多。

The reading is going to be so different.

那样的话，测了还有什么意义呢？

At that point, is it even helping anyone?

看起来我把腕带弄坏了。

Looks like I popped my wristband.

这是个好问题。

That's a great question.

别这么说。

Don't Yeah.

奇怪。

Weird.

这看起来有点奇怪。

That seems weird.

我的意思是，我喜欢华为，华为喜欢搞些疯狂的东西，但是

I mean, I love Huawei, loves to do crazy stuff, but

还有，这里面有压缩机吗？我有很多

Also, is there a compressor in the I have so

是的，这意味着它必须有压缩机来

many Yeah, means it has to have a compressor to

它。

it.

压缩机？

Compressor?

哇。

Wow.

这个问题问得好。

That's a great question.

好的，谢谢你给我看那个视频，马克。

Well, thank you for showing me that video, Mark.

这是个好时机。

It's a good time.

我很感激。

I appreciate it.

好的。

Alright.

我们要聊聊传闻中的苹果HomePad。

We're gonna talk about the rumored Apple HomePad.

据说，我们可能终于在下个月迎来HomePad了，

Allegedly, we may be getting the HomePad finally next month,

今年。

this year.

马克·古尔曼这周写道，那个带屏幕的AI驱动家庭中枢最早可能在下个月发布，也就是十月，因为现在是九月。

Mark Gurman wrote this week that the AI driven Home Hub with a screen could be introduced as early as next month, which means October because it's September.

我喜欢这个说法。

I love that term.

最早下个月。

As early as next month.

最早。

As early as.

我觉得，

I think,

有，我

have, I

我刚把这个记下来。

I just wrote this down.

我们以前有没有用过“泄露说”这种说法？

Have we ever called anything leak speak?

因为我现在就是这么叫它的。

Because that's what I'm dubbing this right now.

尽快吧。

As soon as.

尽快，就是说，这种说法就是那种“我没说错”的感觉。

As soon as, like, it's just such a thing to be like, I wasn't wrong.

它只是让

It just makes

它变成一个开放的时间窗口。

it an open ended window.

我挺确定这件事的，但我不想说错，所以就说最早下个月吧。

I'm pretty sure about this, but I don't want to be wrong as early as next month.

下个月也就是一个半星期后。

Next month is a week and a half from now.

这样你就不会错了。

It makes it so you cannot be wrong.

差不多吧。

Pretty much.

聪明。

Smart.

聪明。

Smart.

以后我们打赌的时候，我也该这么做。

I should start doing that when we bet on things.

要是他们明天就宣布了呢？

What if they announce it tomorrow?

那也太搞笑了。

That would be so funny.

确实如此。

That's true.

如果是九月的话，他就错了。

If it was September, he'd be wrong.

嗯，关于这个产品，他说了几点。

Well, a couple of things he said about the product.

可能是iOS、tvOS和watchOS的混合体，重点放在使用Siri AI上。

It may be a mix of iOS, tvOS, and watchOS with a focus on using Siri AI.

显示界面可能类似于watchOS或待机模式。

The display UI is probably similar to watchOS or standby mode.

我们这里要引用古尔曼的话。

We're gonna quote Gurman here.

他说，大致方形的屏幕会有几种版本，要么——方形？

He says, The roughly square screen will come in versions that either- Square?

对，大致方形。

Yeah, roughly square.

大致是方形的。

Roughly square.

就像……大致是方形的。

Like a- Roughly square.

像两个iPhone拼在一起。

Like an iPhone duo.

像长方形。

Like a rectangle.

我特意加了引号，因为我很困惑他到底想

I wrote this in quotes because I'm very confused by what he's trying

描述什么。

to describe.

继续说。

Go on.

好

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