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嘿。
Hey.
我是苏·伯德。
It's Sue Bird.
这周我带着全新一期的《伯德视角》回来了。
I'm back this week with a brand new episode of Bird's Eye View.
今天和我一起的是波特兰火焰队主教练亚历克斯·萨拉马，我们来聊聊他如何把独特的执教风格带到WNBA，以及如何把今年的势头延续到火焰队下个赛季。
I am joined by Portland fire head coach Alex Sarama to discuss bringing his unique coaching style to the WNBA and channeling this year's momentum into the fires next season.
不过首先，萨拉马教练和我一起回顾了季后赛第一轮的精彩对决。
But first, coach Sarama and I break down the action from round one of the playoffs.
别忘了在YouTube和所有播客平台上收听《伯德视角》。
Make sure to check out Birds Eye View on YouTube and wherever you get your podcasts.
这是什么？
What is this?
抱歉。
Sorry.
我的经纪人刚把我的整个日程团队都删了。
My agent just erased my entire calendar team.
开玩笑的。
Just kidding.
让我的Muse跟你的Dot聊聊。
Have my Muse talk to your dot.
我们回头再解决这个问题。
We'll figure this out later.
嘿。
Yo.
互联网的朋友们，你们好吗？
What is up, people of the Internet?
欢迎回到Waveform播客的又一期节目。
Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast.
我们是你们的主持人。
We're your hosts.
我是马奎斯。
I'm Marquez.
我是安德鲁。
I'm Andrew.
我是大卫。
And I'm David.
艾利斯在制作台那边。
We've got Ellis over at the producer desk.
嗨。
Hi.
亚当去度假了。
Adam's on vacation.
去了很久。
For a long time.
但艾利斯
But Ellis
他撑住了场面。
is holding it down.
你以后不用再跟人共用麦克风了。
You don't have to share a mic anymore.
现在你可以一个人独占麦克风了。
You can actually just have the the mic to yourself.
哦，
Oh,.
这可是个大进步。
Big step.
哇。
Woah.
你们可能过几周就忘了亚当这号人了，因为他要离开差不多五周。
You guys might not even remember that Adam exists in a couple of weeks because he's gone for like five weeks.
那个麦克风完全归你了。
That microphone is fully yours.
哦，我们很想念它。
Oh, we miss it.
这太疯狂了。
This is crazy.
这将会
It's gonna
很棒。
be great.
今天的节目是在Techtember发布的，但你猜怎么着？
Today's episode, it is publishing in Techtember, but guess what?
严格来说现在还是Techtember，所以有很多事情发生。
It's still technically Techtember, so there's a lot going on.
Meta Connect，我们可以聊聊，那是在我们上周录制之后紧接着发生的，所以这周我们可以谈谈。
Meta Connect, can talk about, which happened literally right after we recorded last week, so we can talk about it this week.
我们还有一个关于戴森牙刷的有趣更新。
We also have a fun update on the Dyson toothbrush.
特斯拉Roadster又延期了。
The Tesla Roadster is delayed again.
还有为什么Nothing的新耳机既酷又有点傻，以及OpenAI开发者日的一些公告。
And why the Nothing Headphones, the new ones, are kinda sick and also kinda dumb, and some OpenAI Dev day announcements.
而且我要在播客一开始就现场开箱这个，因为这里面是一部手机，我打算做一期视频，但我想让我们所有人都有机会先给出我们真实的第一、第一、第一、第一印象。
And I'm gonna unbox this here live first thing on the pod because inside here is a phone that I'm going to make a video about, but I'm gonna give all of us the opportunity to give our real first, first, first, first impressions.
人们很少能看到这种场面。
People don't get to see that very often
对。
No.
当我们从盒子里拿出产品，然后给出真实、原始的第一印象时。
When we take a product out the box and, like, give our real, raw first impressions.
这就是我们这次要做的。
That's what we're doing with this.
但首先，他们测试过这个吗？
But first, they even test this?
哇。
Woah.
好吧。
All right.
这是有人在Reddit上发的，我觉得现在还在。
This was something someone posted on Reddit, and I believe it's still here.
这个太棒了。
That's a great one.
它很短，但让人抓狂。
It's very short, and it is insanely frustrating.
在数据快捷设置按钮上有一个单独的像素，对。
There is a single pixel in the data quick settings button on the yeah.
你看到了吗，大概在左上角，左上角和箭头之间？
So do you see right, maybe like top left between the top left corner and the arrows?
你看到那个单独的像素了吗？如果你觉得是灰尘，往下滚，因为整个按钮会移动，它会跟着走。
Do you see that one singular And if you think it's a spec, scroll down, because the whole button will move and it will follow.
搞什么鬼，谷歌？
The hell, Google?
天哪，Pixel，我的天啊。
Dude, the Pixel, oh my gosh.
这是这里面最漂亮的东西了。
It's most beautiful thing in this.
这里有个放大的版本，你可以看看。
Here's a blown out version you can see.
你知道什么最疯狂吗？
You know what's crazy?
对我来说，这感觉就像有人在Photoshop里用画笔工具把白色都涂了一遍，结果漏掉了一小块。
To me, this feels like someone made this in Photoshop and used the paintbrush tool to paint in all the white, and they just missed a portion.
对，或者他们用了魔棒工具，但容差差了一点点，所以那里就留下了一两个像素。
Yeah, or they did the magic wand and that was just a hair off of the tolerance, so it left a pixel or two there.
真是疯了。
It's insane.
他们居然把这个发布出来了，真是疯了。
It's crazy that they shipped this.
谷歌，你只要用画笔工具就行了。
All you have to do, Google, is you just got to use the paintbrush tool.
这很奇怪。
It's weird
因为这是
because it's
其实也没那么夸张，之前一直没人注意到，但确实还是挺离谱的。
like not that crazy, and no one's really noticed it until now, but it's also still crazy.
就像两个像素。
It's like two pixels.
确实看起来像两个像素。
Does make it look like two pixels.
在手机上看，就像只有一个。
On your phone, it just looks like one.
确实是这样。
It does
看起来就像是一个像素。
like one pixel.
而且这足以让你怀疑，我是不是有个坏点？
And it is enough to make you be like, do I have a dead pixel?
哦等等，它动了。
Oh wait, it moved.
滚动一下。
Scroll.
还在那儿。
Still there.
非常奇怪。
Very strange.
所以，你知道，这挺有意思的。
So, you know, that's a fun one.
好了，我们直接开始现场开箱吧。
Anyway, let's do this live unboxing.
好的。
Okay.
在你开箱的时候，也别忘了订阅我们的频道。
While you're opening this, also be sure to get subscribed.
我们周二会有一期特别节目，是我很期待的一次采访。
We have a bonus episode coming out on Tuesday, an interview I'm pretty excited for.
我觉得老听众们也会很期待的。
I think longtime listeners will be excited for.
不过再说回来，Marques现在正在打开一个盒子，这个盒子是Rich在我们开始播客前刚拿来的，因为我们对它特别期待。
But again, Marques is now opening a box that Rich ran into here right before we started the podcast, because it's something we're pretty excited for.
所以，这就是小米折叠屏手机。
So, this is the Xiaomi Fold.
这款折叠屏手机之所以受到小米这么大的关注，是因为它基本上……
The folding phone that is getting a lot of attention from Xiaomi because it is essentially...
这个盒子真是最差的。
This is the worst box.
Note 9 可能是……
Note nine is probably...
我试过那个拉片，但根本没用。
I tried the tab thing, and it just didn't work at all.
你知道那种联邦快递的盒子，上面有个拉片，一拉就开的那种吗？
You know those FedEx boxes that are supposed to have like a tab that you pull?
你两个拉片都坏了，
You have two broken tabs on
它也是。
it too.
讽刺的是，小米18 Fold，因为他们完全没抄袭那个名字。
Ironically, the Xiaomi 18 Fold, because they totally didn't steal that.
所以我做了一个关于18 Pro Max的视频。
So I did a video on the 18 Pro Max.
你们可能已经看过了。
You guys have probably already seen that.
小米18 Pro Max。
The Xiaomi 18 Pro Max.
小米
The Xiaomi
18 Pro To
18 Pro To
说清楚一点，
make clear,
这款手机和iPhone Duo非常像，大家都在猜测这是怎么回事。
this is the one that looks very much like the iPhone Duo, and there's there's all this speculation about how this happens.
所以我觉得我关于这款手机的视频，有一部分会讲为什么我们会同时看到这些一模一样的手机，因为其实挺有意思的。
So I think a part of my video about this phone is gonna be about how we end up with these identical phones at the same time, because it's actually kind of interesting.
但你们没拿过iPhone Duo，或者你们玩过，但你们没拿过我手里这款iPhone，我也没有。
But you guys have not held, or you've played with the iPhone Duo, but you've not held the iPhone I have not.
这是你基本上能摸到几乎一样东西的机会。
This is your opportunity to basically hold almost the same thing.
这是酒红色的吗？
Is it burgundy?
但这是小米的，而且确实是酒红色。
But Xiaomi, and it is burgundy.
天哪，这是我最喜欢的部分，就像网上那个老生常谈的争论：这个先出的，所以明显是抄袭的。
Oh my, This is my favorite stuff where they're like, this is the age old debate online of, this came out first, so they clearly copied it.
不，这个已经生产很久了，所以他们不可能抄袭。
No, this has production for so long, so they couldn't have copied it.
到了一定程度，我们得明白这些公司其实都知道世界在发生什么。
It's like, at a certain point, we have to understand that these companies kind of know what's going on around the world.
那些看起来真不错。
Those look very nice.
那挺有意思的，那是一种更偏红的酒红色。
That's an interesting, that's a much more red burgundy.
跟我那款酒红色的比起来。
Is Compared to my burgundy.
更亮一些。
Shinier.
你有个酒红色的 iPhone？
You have a burgundy iPhone?
那个会亮得多。
It's gonna be way brighter over.
对，是的。
Oh, yeah.
我的更像酒红色。
Mine is more of a wine color.
你的看起来更偏紫色。
Yours looks way more purple.
我是说，我觉得你的也是酒红色。
I mean, I think yours is burgundy.
那就像梅洛葡萄酒的颜色。
That is like merlot.
就是梅洛色。
It's merlot.
如果你想知道我为什么吐槽iPhone的勃艮第色，那是因为
In case you're wondering why I hate on the iPhone's burgundy, because
这个
it's This
挺好的
a good
看起来像葡萄紫。
looks like grape purple.
两个社交媒体上的书呆子都认为这个颜色不错。
Two nerds of social media agree that it's a good color.
好，这是我第一次拿这款手机，真的第一次。
Okay, so this is my very, very, very first time holding this phone.
我注意到了一些东西……
I noticed things...
所以这是一款折叠手机。
So this is a folding phone.
我注意到像弹簧重量这样的细节。
I'm noticing things like the spring weight.
它不像iPhone那样有那种磁吸式的弹开感，打开时没有那么干脆。
It doesn't really push open as much as the iPhone, which had like a sort of a magnetic snap open.
这一点上它稍微弱一些。
This does that a little bit less.
屏幕是关着的，所以我在看铰链。
The screen's off, so I'm looking at the hinge.
它相当简洁。
It's pretty minimal.
虽然不如Oppo Find N或iPhone Duo那么简洁，但也算很简洁了。
It's not as minimal as the Oppo Find N or the iPhone Duo, but it's pretty minimal.
它开机了吗？
Is it turned on?
我觉得关机的时候最容易看出来。
I feel like off is the easiest way to see.
百分之百。
100%.
然后前面的屏幕，我准备把它开机，它的形状和iPhone Duo一模一样，左边是平的，右边是圆角的。
Then the front screen, I'm going to boot this thing up, is exactly the same d shape as iPhone Duo as well, which is flat on the left hand side, rounded on the right hand side.
然后，对，它很薄。
And then, yeah, it's thin.
它绝对比iPhone轻，而且它有……
It's definitely lighter than the iPhone, and it's got...
有一个
Has a
长焦镜头，这个我挺羡慕的。
telephoto, which I'm jealous of.
对，背面有三个摄像头，横跨整个背面，
Yeah, it's got triple cameras on the back, across the whole back,
这
which
感觉更合理一些。
feels a little bit more correct.
我能说吗，我有点希望，既然背面的胶囊摄像头像像素条一样横跨整个背面，我希望它一边是平的，另一边是弧形的，这样就能和
Can I say, I kind of wish, since the pill camera is all the way across on the back, like a pixel bar, I wish it was flat on one side and curved on the other, so it matched
那会很有趣吗？
That'd be fun?
整体的美感相匹配。
The full aesthetic of it.
我得
I'm gonna
不得不
have to I
我觉得挺好的
think it's nice
因为它圆润的设计
that it's like rounded,
这样放在桌上就不会晃动。
because then that way it doesn't shake when you put it on the table.
没错。
Exactly.
你知道的，它会一直这么稳当。
You know, it'll just be always pretty stable like this.
我觉得如果这里做成平的，它还是会很稳。
I think if it was just flat right here, it would still be stable.
可能是吧。
Probably true.
好了，我要登录了
All right, I'm logging into
上网。
the internet.
我们快速搞定设置。
We're speed running the setup real quick.
看起来确实不错。
It does look quite good.
我觉得
I think
看起来不错。
it looks good.
但我也觉得iPhone看起来不错。
But I also, I think the iPhone looks good.
我觉得Oppo的也不错。
I think the Oppos looked good.
我觉得老款Pixel Passport也挺好看的。
I think the old Pixel Passport looked good.
天哪，它看起来太像Duo了，兄弟。
That's crazy how much it looks like a Duo, man.
给听音频的听众说一下，想象一下iPhone Duo的样子。
For audio listeners, picture an iPhone Duo.
但是酒红色的。
But burgundy.
没有酒红色的iPhone Duo。
There is no burgundy iPhone Duo.
我会叫它深红色。
Would call that crimson.
对，苹果发布会期间有一些对苹果高管团队的采访，有人问起这款手机，他们说，你知道，有些事情我们没法保护，不幸的是，有些其他公司成功预测了我们的设计，我们也没法阻止这种情况发生。
Yeah, There were some interviews with Apple's executive team during the Apple event, and some people were asking about this phone, and they said, You know, there are just some things that we can't protect, and unfortunately, some other companies managed to predict our design, and we just can't stop that from happening.
我觉得特纳斯是这么说的。
Think Turnus said that.
甚至
Even
我以为是特纳斯。
thought was Ternus.
就连那个
Even the
图标，苹果的图标，比如电话应用。
the icons, Apple icons, like the phone app.
它会有那个效果吗？
Does it do the thing?
没有那个
Doesn't do the
一模一样的动画，但它确实有那个效果，就是很多其他安卓折叠屏都有的，开合时会播放动画。
exact same animation, but it does do the thing that a lot of other Android folds do, which is it plays an animation while you open and close it.
所以这是一种挺有趣的开关动画风格，我打算把它递给你，安德鲁。
So it's kind of a fun opening animation style I'm for a going hand this to you, Andrew.
这是你第一次看到小米折叠屏。
There's your first look at Xiaomi Fold.
你觉得怎么样？
What do you think?
我确实喜欢这样拿着它。
I do like holding it like this.
就是它这个整体大小，让我有点希望有一款手机是这么大尺寸的。
Like the just general size of it, and kind of makes me wish there was a phone that was this size.
我知道这是所有科技评测者都会说的话，而且实际上根本行不通。
I know that's the kind of thing that all of Us tech reviewers are saying and would never actually work.
但我确实喜欢打开时背景上的那个小蝴蝶动画效果。
But I do like the little butterfly animation effect on the background opening it up.
就像是，
It's like,
哦，我们都在打开。
Oh, we're all opening.
他们基本上从第一代就做了这个，是的。
They've done that basically since the first Yeah.
很多……
Lot of...
现在好像进到设置里了。
Now I'm just in the settings apparently.
不过说实话，我对这个没什么太多想法。
But I mean, I don't have a lot of thoughts of this.
我完全不用折叠手机。
I use zero folding phones.
哦，等等，那个底座。
Oh, wait, the dock.
对，底座在
Yeah, it's dock at
底部。
the bottom.
底座，天哪。
The dock, oh my
天哪。
God.
看看那些图标。
Look at those icons.
看起来一模一样。
It looks the same.
这个底座看起来简直就跟Mac的底座一样。
The dock literally looks just like a Mac dock.
苹果真正成功保护住的主要是软件体验，以及他们打算如何为iPhone Duo优化iOS。
This really really, Apple managed to protect mostly was software experience and how they were going to optimize iOS for the iPhone Duo.
这些之前完全没有泄露，大家都特别好奇那会是怎么运作的。
That didn't leak ahead of time at all, and everyone was very curious about how that was going to work.
所以他们那种右侧底座和开关在右边的设计，我觉得非常独特。
And so their design with like the right sided dock and the toggles being on the right, I think that's a very unique thing.
不过可能过不了一周就会被抄袭了。
Although it'll probably get copied within like a week.
软件更新一下就好了。
Software update away.
我得说，就正面屏幕而言，这个并没有整个右对齐的菜单什么的，因为自拍相机在中间，我觉得看起来很棒。
I will say like on front screen, just this does not have the whole right aligned menu and everything because the selfie camera's in the middle and I think it looks great.
我猜苹果是想做那些，而且我觉得他们在右侧做了不少好的软件设计。
I guess Apple wanted to do all of that, and I thought they did a bunch of good software stuff on the right.
这让我怀疑是否有必要那样做。
This makes me wonder if it was necessary to do that.
我能说这让我对iPhone Duo更加兴奋了吗？
Can I just say this just makes me even more excited for the iPhone Duo?
对iPhone Duo？
For the iPhone Duo?
因为它太宽了。
Because it's so wide.
感觉就像个小玩意儿，老兄。
It just feels like a gadget, dude.
确实感觉像个科技玩具。
It does feel like a gadget.
我们好久没见过这样的科技产品了。
We haven't had like a gadget like this in like a really long time.
手机一直
The phones have
都是
just been the
同样的尺寸，同样的屏幕比例。
exact same size, exact same aspect ratio.
有个方方正正、有点奇怪的东西，我真的很期待。
Having something square and weird is like, I'm so excited for it.
而且，它不适合单手打字，但这会鼓励你这样做。
Also, it's not good for one handed typing, but that encourages you to do this.
我觉得这样打字更酷，就是同时用两个大拇指，你知道吗？
And I think this is a cooler way of typing, just using both thumbs at the same time, you know?
看起来就像你在——
Makes it look like you're-
你在处理商务事务。
You're doing business stuff.
对，商务交易，商务事务。
Yeah, business transactions Business stuff.
那是……
That's...
哦，哇。
Oh, wow.
对，当你把它横过来时，图标就缩到一起了，哦，真有意思。
Yeah, when you turn it sideways, it sort of collapses the icons into Oh, being interesting.
它变成一页了。
It goes to one page.
基本上就变成平板了。
Turns into a tablet, basically.
单页平板。
A single page tablet.
好的。
Okay.
图标变大了，我觉得这很有道理。
With making bigger icons, which I think makes a lot of sense.
真不错。
That's really nice.
对，因为这样图标都大一点，用起来更像平板，体验更好。
Yeah, because that way it's easier to experience it as a tablet when everything's a little bit bigger.
而且很直观，天气应用完全一样。
And intuitively, The weather app is exactly the same.
等等，我能快速看一下吗？
Wait, can I see it real quick?
我都没注意到折痕，这让我怀疑自己是不是没感觉到。
I didn't even look at the crease, which makes me wonder if I didn't feel
我觉得这个折痕比Duo的还严重，但Duo也用了那种技术。
like The I crease is worse than the Duo, but also the Duo is using like all of that.
我的意思是，它上面有那种扩散层，确实，液体填充。
I mean, it has the diffused layer on it, which definitely Yeah, liquid filling.
我是说，
I mean,
我很久没看折痕了，这个，你得仔细找才能看到。
I haven't looked at a crease in a while, and this is, I mean, you have to look for it.
确实得仔细找，而且我们头顶上正好有这盏大灯，想找的时候很容易看到，但平时……
You do have to look for And we've got like this big old light right above us that makes it really easy to find when you want to, but normally
我的看法是，对折痕的担忧基本上和对边框的担忧一样，都是……
My hot take is like crease worries are basically the same as bezel worries, which are just When very
你只是在推特上看到最糟糕情况下的照片，然后就想大做文章，只有那些人才会这样。
you're only looking at a photo of it in the worst possible scenario on Twitter, and then you want to make a big stink about it, those are the only people
当你每天使用它，专注于内容时，你的大脑不会去想，但中间有个折痕。
who When you are using use it it every every day and you're focused on the content, your brain is not going to be like, but there's a crease in the center.
我们挺过了Pixel的浴缸式刘海。
We survived the pixel bathtub notch.
我们——勉强算吧。
We- Barely.
我们对此无所谓。
We're okay with that.
不在乎那些
Don't care what the
Pixel 3 XL确实是那个时代的标志。
Pixel Pixel three three XL XL was a moment in time for sure.
这个很酷。
This is cool.
这个很酷。
This is cool.
我喜欢打开它然后横过来看的感觉。
I love when you open it and turn it sideways.
我觉得它是在鼓励你。
I feel like it encourages you.
而且它坏了。
And it's broke.
我觉得因为它让图标变大之类的，所以它有点鼓励你以iPad mini的格式来使用它。
I feel like because it makes the icons bigger and stuff, it sort of encourages you to use it in the iPad mini format.
我得说，我没拿过Duo，但像你说的，这样竖着当平板拿的时候，摄像头凸起就在那儿。
I will say, I didn't hold the Duo, but holding this like a tablet vertical, like you're saying, the camera bump is there.
它确实在那儿。
It is there.
但那个凸起会不会像个小台阶，帮你更好地握住手机？
But does it feel like a ledge that helps you hold the phone?
不会。
No.
因为现在它更大了？
Because it's bigger now?
它更大了，也更自然了。
It's bigger and it's more natural.
对，没错。
Oh yeah.
我觉得因为它太长了，我拿着的时候，如果摄像头在背面左上角，正好就在我食指的位置，反过来也一样。
Like I think because it's so long when I have it, if it would be top left corner on the back, it's right there where my pointer finger would be, and the other way.
实际上，这样拿的话
Actually, this way
那可能不错。
That might be good.
倒过来拿，我几乎就像这样握着，你看。
Upside bottom, I'm almost like holding see.
感觉像握着一个把手。
Feel like a grip.
你只需要确保你
You just have to make sure you're
清楚。
clear.
我想用我的两千美元
What I want do with my $2,000
手机。
phone.
你看，这就是折叠屏手机的问题所在，它有八种不同的用法
It's kinda See, that's the thing about foldables is there's 80 ways
来握持它。
to hold it.
你可以把它
You can have
开到一半，也可以完全打开，想怎么旋转就怎么旋转。
it halfway open, you can have it fully open, you can rotate it any way you want.
这个发现挺不错的。
That's a nice discovery.
但因为折叠方式有80种，我跟一些开发者聊过，他们都说，天哪，我得优化我的应用的方式太多了。
But because there are 80 ways to hold it, I have talked to some developers and they're like, Oh my God, the amount of ways I have to optimize my app is insane.
关于iPhone Duo，我注意到的一点是，他们对半开状态的重视程度比其他任何折叠屏手机都要高。
The one thing I noticed about the iPhone Duo is they did place a lot more emphasis on halfway open than I've seen in any other foldable.
通常安卓手机就是，这是合上的状态，这是打开的状态，而这款手机显然也有这些。
Usually Android phones are like, here's the closed state, here's the open state, and this clearly has that.
但半开状态这个，我觉得，这取决于开发者，但他们也有对应的适配，这点挺有意思的。
But the sort of halfway open thing is, I mean, it depends on the developer, but they have stuff for that too, which is interesting.
而且铰链打开的程度也有非常多的响应。
And there's also a whole ton of responsiveness to how open the hinges.
现在看看
Now look
这个。
at this.
好的，我看到了
Okay, I'm seeing
这个确实也是，是的。
this That also does, yeah.
你看到这个壁纸是怎么反应的吗？
You see the way this wallpaper responds?
我把亮度调高一点。
I'm gonna turn the brightness up.
根据它打开的角度来调整。
To roughly how many degrees open it is.
哦，对。
Oh, yeah.
你能给我看看
Can you show
吗？
it to me?
什么？
What?
这真是太
That's so
棒了。
nice.
所以手机能感知铰链打开的角度，壁纸是动态的。
So the phone knows how open the hinge is, and the wallpaper is dynamic.
当我打开它的时候，不是完全打开，只是在不同角度之间移动，它会实时响应。
As I'm opening it, not fully open, but just moving it between those degrees, it is responding in real time.
这真的很棒。
That's really nice.
这就像Spotify在翻动一样。
That's like a Spotify flapping.
设计这个铰链的人现在肯定在皱眉。
Whoever designed this hinge is cringing right now.
看，他们说——
Look, they say-
他们可以
They can do
做几百万次。
it millions of times.
对，这就是用户拿到手里之后会发生的事情。
Yeah, this is the type of thing that happens when users get it in their hands.
不过，握持感，好吧。
But yeah, the grip, okay.
有点
It's kind
不是那个——右手握持感还挺不错的。
of not the- The right hand grip is kind of sick.
你只是
You're just
得一直擦你的摄像头了。
gonna have to clean your camera all the time.
你得一直擦镜头，然后才发现自己拿着的是一部至少1500美元，甚至1800美元的手机。
Clean your camera all the time and then realize you're holding, I'm assuming this is also at least $1,500 Yeah, an $1,800 phone.
没错。
Definitely.
就一毫米的
By like a millimeter
小凸起。
little bump.
这还不错。
This is not bad.
挺好的。
It's nice.
我们会有很多
We'll have a lot
要说的。
to say about it.
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Stay tuned to get subscribed, of course, to the MKBHD channel to see the whole video and everything you need to know about it.
不过，是的，这就是那个特定形态的安卓版本。
But, yeah, this is the Android side of the fence for that exact form factor.
对这种形态，我简直兴奋得不行。
Unbelievably excited about this form factor.
我喜欢又短又方的设计。
I love short and square.
我敢说你会把它当主力机天天用。
I can tell you're gonna be a duo dailyer.
哦，百分之百会。
Oh, thousand percent.
我很怀念最初的Pixel Fold，所以我觉得这个应该会很不错。
I miss the original Pixel Fold a lot, so I feel like this will be nice.
我身边有很多不懂科技的人，他们根本不听Waveform，但我在苹果活动上发了一条动态，他们就说，天哪，这酷不酷？
I've had so many people in my life who are not tech people, definitely don't listen to Waveform, who, like, I posted one story from being at the Apple event, they go, Oh my God, is it cool?
酷不酷？
Is it cool?
天哪。
Oh my God.
然后我收到了很多人的短信。
And I got texts from people.
兄弟，这已经成了文化现象，是当下最热门的话题之一。
Dude, it's the cultural, it's one of these things that's in the zeitgeist.
就像我去理发，理发师都问我：那个iPhone Duo怎么样？
It's the same as like, I went and got a haircut, my barber was like, How about that iPhone Duo?
我去杂货店，收银员也问我：那个iPhone Duo怎么样？
I go to the grocery store, the cashier's like, how about that iPhone Duo?
这就是大家都在谈论的事情。
It's the thing that everybody's talking about.
太疯狂了。
It's so wild.
这很奇怪，就像是突然空降到那个领域一样。
And this is weirdly just parachuting into that same space.
那这个呢？
What about this too?
你可以买这个。
You could get this.
我们能不能
Can we
打个赌？
make a bet?
好。
Okay.
好，因为我和我朋友马克打了个赌，说Duo会卖得很好……
Okay, because I made a bet with my friend Mark that the Duo is going to sell...
我是说，可能有点偏差，但他说它不会卖得好。
I mean, it's gonna be a little off, but he was saying that it's not gonna sell well.
我当时就说，根据那些告诉我他们会买的人来看，他们并不是真正的科技爱好者，所以我完全不同意。
And I was like, based on the people that have told me that they're going to buy it, are not really tech people, I completely disagree.
现在，显然，苹果提前一个月发布了Pro机型。
Now, obviously, Apple put out the Pro models like a month ahead of time.
而且我也认识一些人，他们原本说会等Duo，但最后还是忍不住买了Pro。
And I also know people who said they were going to wait for the Duo, but then they caved and bought a Pro.
所以我觉得，如果同时发布的话，销量会比现在高。
So I think that it's going to sell less than it would have if they released at the same time.
但他们只是
But they just
得先定义什么是“卖得好”。
have to define what Well is.
对，那确实，我真的很
Yeah, that's I really
觉得Duo首周的销量至少能达到Pro的一半。
think that it will sell at least 50% of the amount of units that the Pro sold in the first week.
哇。
Woah.
哦，第一周。
Oh, in the first week.
好的，有意思。
Okay, it's interesting.
我觉得——我
That's think that- I
觉得50%。
think 50%.
我们通常看到的第一周销售情况，都是最铁杆的粉丝在买，所以Pro在第一周总是比普通版卖得多得多。
What we usually see in the first week of sales is the most hardcore dedicated people, which is why the pros always sell way more than the regulars in the first week.
但随着时间的推移，普通人就会买普通iPhone，然后销量就慢慢拉平了。
But then over time, regular people just get a regular iPhone and it sort of evens out.
所以Duo的销量会是这两种人的结合：最铁杆的第一周买家，他们觉得“对，我等这个等了好久”，还有新用户，他们觉得“哇，好炫”。
So the Duo is going to be some combination of the most hardcore week one people who are like, yes, I've been waiting for this, and the new people who are like, oh, shiny.
50%已经很高了。
50% is pretty high.
我觉得可能达不到。
I would take the under on that.
我知道这个数字很高，但我觉得可能——但是
I know it's high, but I think it's- But
你觉得会超过这个数？
you think it's over that?
我觉得有可能超过。
I think it could be over that.
好的。
Okay.
我还是觉得达不到。
Would take the under.
我觉得
I think
我觉得会低于50%，因为我听说有传言说它的产量不会那么多。
it's under just because I thought there were rumors that the production of it wasn't going to have as many units.
是有传言，但我的意思是，如果你预购了然后它又延迟了，我觉得它不一定，你知道的，
There are, but I mean, if you pre order it and then just delayed, I don't think it's, you know,
所以你是说，好吧，所以他们不一定能拿到货。
I So was you're saying, okay, so they don't necessarily get it.
他们什么时候能拿到？
When do they get to get it?
我觉得那是个坏消息。
I don't That's a bad thing.
首周销量是多少？
When's the week sales?
我觉得它会成功的。
I feel like it's going be successful.
就像Vision Pro那样，因为它是苹果新出的炫酷产品，很多人都会抢着买。
Like the Vision Pro is successful off the roof of like new shiny, crazy Apple product that a ton of people Not are going to
买Vision Pro的人其实没那么多。
that many people bought the Vision Pro
不过。
though.
每个YouTuber——
Every YouTuber-
同意。
agree.
它获得了大量的YouTube观看量。
It got a ton of YouTube views.
那是
That's
不过我是拿它来比较的。
I'm comparing it to though.
但是对，这个设备感觉不像只有YouTuber会买来做视频的那种。
But yeah, this doesn't feel like a device that only YouTubers are gonna buy to make videos about.
我同意。
I agree.
而且我觉得很多人会被那个2000美元的价格吓到。
And also I think a lot of people are gonna get that $2,000 price.
因为价格差距很大，如果按月付款的话，感觉会特别明显。
Because this is like a price difference to where, when we're going to monthly payments, it will feel like an actual difference.
这几乎是大多数人会买的下一款手机价格的两倍。
This is almost double what the next phone most people would get is.
我们觉得大家买普通Pro版是1100美元，这价格是那个的两倍。
We think people are getting the regular Pro at $1,100 This is double that.
所以按月付款的话，差距就是900到1100美元之间。
So that will be the difference between $900 and $1,100 on a monthly payment.
你看，能看到屏幕保护膜的边缘。
You know, can see the edge of the screen protector.
撕掉它。
Rip it.
我以前来过这里。
I've been here before.
我觉得我们……
I think we're...
我不会撕掉它的。
I'm not gonna peel it.
可是盒子上也没写着别撕啊。
Well, it didn't come in a box to say don't peel it.
我设置手机的时候，软件里有个步骤，登录之后它就提示说，嘿，别撕屏幕保护膜。
When I was setting up the phone, there was a stage in the software where once I signed in, it was like, hey, don't peel the screen protector.
对有些人来说，那提示来得太晚了。
That's unfortunately for some people too late.
我觉得肯定有人在看到提示之前就撕了……
I think there are people who would peel that before...
所以三星才要在你拿出手机之前，在手机上面放张卡片提醒你。
That's why Samsung had to put it in a card on top of the phone before you even took it out of
这倒是个好观点。
the That's good point.
好的。
Okay.
我在看苹果那边每个月要多少钱。
I'm looking at how much it is per month through Apple.
好的。
Okay.
iPhone 18 Pro 基础款 256GB 存储，每月 50 美元，分 24 个月，或者至少 35 个月。
The iPhone 18 Pro per month for the base two fifty six gig storage is $50 a month for twenty four months, or at least for thirty five.
这款是每月 83 美元，分 24 个月，或者至少 57 个月。
This one is $83 a month for twenty four months, or at least for fifty seven
每月，分 24 期。
per month, per twenty four.
好的。
Okay.
我不知道，老兄。
I don't know, man.
差35美元？
Dollars 35 difference?
我知道差别很大，但我还是觉得它会卖得很火。
I know that is a big difference, but I still think it's going sell like crazy.
我觉得它会卖得不错。
I think it'll sell good.
我不确定“火”这个词合不合适。
I don't know if crazy is the term I would use.
还有名人代言的因素，大家都在谈论它。
There's also the celebrity endorse factor, like everybody talking about it.
当它出现在卡戴珊的包里或者类似的事情上时。
When it shows up in the purse of a Kardashian or whatever happens
对，确实是这样。
to Yeah, that's true.
我只是想说，营销里最有力的词就是“新”，而iPhone 18 Pro看起来和17 Pro一样，只是多了个新颜色。
I'm just saying the most powerful word in marketing is new, and the iPhone 18 Pro looks the same as the 17 Pro, except for a new color.
也许它有新的可变光圈，这是他们卖这些产品的方式，但新的iPhone外形设计可是件大事。
Maybe it has the new variable aperture, which is how they sell these things, but a new iPhone form factor is a very big deal.
我们看到17 Pro是卖得最好的之一，对。
We saw the 17 Pro was like one of the best selling Yep.
iPhone在很长一段时间里，因为它是第一款真正改变设计、让人感觉焕然一新的产品。
IPhones in a really long Because it was the first one that actually changed the design enough that it felt really new.
这款感觉真的非常非常新。
This feels really, really new.
我同意你的看法。
I don't disagree with you.
我也看到很多科技圈的人说，这太酷了。
I feel like I've also seen a lot of tech people being like, this is so cool.
然后你问，你会买吗？
And you're like, are you gonna buy it?
然后他们说，不，我不打算买。
And they're like, no, I'm not going to buy it.
埃利斯，你觉得能不能超过50%？我有点
Ellis, what's your over under on 50% I have
没什么新想法。
no fresh idea.
我们今早在车里聊过这个，我完全没头绪。
We talked about it in the car this morning and I have no idea.
因为一方面，我确实觉得炒作很夸张。
Because on the one hand, I do agree the hype is sensational.
但另一方面——
But on the other hand-
在我们这个圈子里，看起来好像人手一台。
In our world, will look like every single person has it.
这要2000美元，我刚才还在手机上查，如果我想买的话，我的以旧换新选项会是什么。
It's $2,000 I was on my phone trying to see what my trade in options would be if I did want to buy one.
我根本买不起，兄弟。
I can't even get close, man.
就是说，
Like,
我拿旧手机去换购，
I traded in
iPhone加上一部旧iPhone，再加另一部旧iPhone，还有我的iPad，换购的钱才差不多够一半。
iPhone and an old iPhone and another old iPhone and my iPad, I would get about halfway to being able to.
那倒是挺合理的。
That is fair.
然后我就想，天哪，兄弟。
And it's just like, holy cow, man.
等等，你连iPad也得搭进去啊。
Wait, you gotta throw your iPad in there too.
你不需要你的iPad了。
Don't need your iPad
了。
anymore.
不，我确实把iPad也搭进去了，这才是最疯狂的。
No, I did throw the iPad in That's what was crazy.
而且那还是iPad Pro。
And it's iPad Pro.
天哪。
Jeez.
我确实好奇运营商会有什么优惠。
I do wonder what a carrier deal might be.
比如有没有什么特别给力的运营商套餐。如果有的话，我也不会惊讶，因为我觉得苹果肯定会鼓励运营商搞点促销，把这些设备推出去，让大家都能用上。
Like if there's some wild carrier deal out And there for I wouldn't be surprised because I bet Apple will incentivize carriers to do something to push these things out so that people have them.
不过，过去几年苹果一直在大力推动直接销售设备，而不是通过运营商。
Although there has been a big push in the last couple of years for Apple to sell devices directly instead of their carriers.
他们一直在努力这么做。
They've been making a concerted effort to do that.
所以走着瞧吧。
So we'll see.
但我确实觉得很多运营商会特别炒作折叠屏。
But I do think a lot of carriers are going to specifically hype the fold.
当然
For
没错。
sure.
大卫，你之前说的那些月付数字，是升级计划里的，还是只是苹果的分期付款？
David, were those monthly numbers you gave earlier part of the upgrade plan or just the Apple financing?
第一个是……
The first one was...
等等，你说的升级和分期付款是什么意思？
Wait, what do you mean by upgrade versus financing?
那是苹果的
It was the Apple
这两个是一回事吗？
Are those the same thing?
因为他们现在有苹果升级订阅服务。
Because they do the Apple upgrades subscription now.
不不不。
No, no, no.
那只是说如果你按月买，或者如果你租的话，租约就是
That was just like if you buy a monthly or if you do the lease, which is the lease
升级。
upgrade.
租约是一样的吗？
Is the lease the same?
所以第一个是每月11.99美元或49.99美元购买。
So the first one was buy for $11.99 or $49.99 a month.
那是……
That is the...
这就像苹果卡分期付款。
That's like Apple Card financing.
对，就是分期付款。
Yeah, it's financing.
然后租赁的话，这里写着呢。
Then the lease was, it had it here somewhere.
租赁就是他们说的那种
And the lease is what they call like the
苹果卡。
Apple Card.
对，每月35美元的租赁。
Yeah, lease for 35 a month.
所以在Pro上，租赁每月便宜15美元。
So it's on the Pro, it's $15 cheaper to lease per month.
而在Duo上，它
And on the Duo, it
是……
is...
把这个剪掉。
Cut this out.
那值得吗？
Is that worth it?
在Duo上，每月租赁便宜35美元，这挺多的。
On the Duo, it is like $35 cheaper to lease per month, which is a lot.
所以也许我可以把我所有的东西都卖掉，然后租一个
So maybe if I trade in everything I own and I lease
它。
it.
租两年
Lease it for two
你可以直接用信用卡刷掉2000美元。
years You could just trade in a cool $2,000 from your credit card.
你得真的特别想要才行。
You got to really want it.
我能把这个递给你吗？
Can I hand you this?
那太好了，我求之不得。
I would really love that.
你应该
You should
去看看。
check it out.
我特别讨厌租任何东西，尤其是租一部两千块的手机。
I hate the idea of leasing anything, but especially like a $2,000 phone.
不知道。
Don't know.
两千块
A $2,000
折叠式新形态手机。
folding new form factor phone.
有些东西确实有道理。
There are some things that make sense.
比如你可以租一台Mac Studio，如果你能把它作为开支抵扣的话。
Like you can lease a Mac Studio and if you can like write that off.
嗯，你在上面赢了堡垒之夜锦标赛，你就可以直接买
Well, you win a Fortnite tournament on it, You you can just buy
租一台Mac Studio，如果你能，你知道，如果你明确用于工作，并且可以抵扣，而且你总是想保持最新，又不太在意所有权，那确实有道理。
lease a Mac Studio, and if you can, you know, if you use it for work explicitly, and you can write it off, and you always want to be on the cutting edge, and you don't really care about the ownership aspect of it, there is a case to be made there.
因为他们租的价格其实比买要便宜不少。
Because what they lease it for is actually quite inexpensive Do compared to what you buy it
我们知道这台东西的AppleCare要多少钱吗？
we know what AppleCare is going to cost on this thing?
会不一样吗？
Will it be different?
可能会更贵，因为整体价值更高，但是
Probably it's going cost more, because the whole value is higher, but
我
I
不知道贵多少。
don't know how much more.
我不想一直纠结
I don't want to hang on
这个，没有免费或
to the There's no free or
我们很快就会有双人节目。
We're going have a duo episode plenty soon.
我想问问埃利斯，既然他第一次拿到折叠屏手机，
I do want to ask Ellis, now that he's holding his first squat foldable or tiffany.
他确信自己会把所有东西都换掉。
He's convinced he's going trade in everything he owns.
不，我没有。
No, I'm not.
我是说，真的很想要一个。
I mean, want one really bad.
我特别喜欢折叠手机，也喜欢小手机。
I love folding phones and I love small phones.
我在这个播客里已经说了好几年了。
I've been talking about it on this podcast for years now.
那这两个条件都满足了。
That is two boxes checked.
但是差不多要两千美元。
But it's like $2,000
我知道。
I know.
但基础款的话，就是，只是……
But for the base, it's like, there's just
对我来说，像这种我天天都在用的东西，如果我真的想要，我愿意砸一大笔钱进去。
For me, I'm like, something that I use this much all the time, I'm willing to like throw a chunk of cash at it if I really want it.
对，我知道那是很多钱。
Yeah, I know it's a lot of money.
我去年买手机，加上税什么的，花了大概一百二十一万三千一百美元。
I spent like $1,213,100 dollars on my phone after taxes and stuff last year.
这手机能用好一阵子呢。
It's going be a good phone for a while.
我没办法，
I can't,
没法调整。
can't adjust it.
17 Pro 很棒。
The 17 Pro's great.
总之，我们本来没打算聊这个的。
Anyway, we didn't even intend to talk about
这个手机。
this phone.
不，因为我们有更酷的东西要聊，就是戴森摄像喷气牙刷有两个有趣的更新。
No, because we have something way cooler to talk about, which is the Dyson Camerajet toothbrush has two fun updates.
对，两个有趣的更新。
Yeah, two fun updates.
其中一个就是它已经下架了。
One of them is that it is pulled from market already.
我能给你讲讲那个故事吗？等等，
Can I tell you the story about Wait,
什么？
what?
那个牙
The to
刷
do
对，好的。
Yeah, okay.
这是什么？
What's this?
然后我在咖啡店里，老样子。
So I'm in my coffee shop, classic.
然后我跟一个家伙聊天，因为他有一台X100，我就说，哦，你是摄影师吗？
And, I'm talking to this guy because he had an X100 and I like, Oh, are you a photographer?
他说，不是。
And he's like, No.
我就觉得，那挺奇怪的。
And I was like, That's weird.
然后，对，这就是X100用户。
And then, yeah, that's X100 users.
我们就是，喜欢假装自己是摄影师。
We are, we like pretend we're photographers.
嘿，兄弟，越来越好了。
Hey man, getting better.
不客气。
You're welcome.
不客气，孩子。
You're welcome, son.
总之，我们聊着，他是从英国来的，只是来旅游。
Anyway, so we're talking, he's from The UK, he's just visiting.
他说，哦，我是牙医。
He's like, Oh yeah, I'm a dentist.
我就问，你觉得戴森那个牙刷怎么样？
And I'm like, do What you think about the Dyson toothbrush?
你见过吗？
Have you seen it?
因为我想要一个真正的牙医来回答。
Because I wanted an actual dentist.
我昨天去看牙医，本来想问他这个问题的。
I went to the dentist yesterday and I wanted to ask him about it.
结果偏偏那次他没说“有什么问题要问我吗？”。
And the one time he didn't be like, Any questions for me?
他没问。
He didn't ask.
就在昨天。
Was yesterday.
对，他没问那个。
No, he didn't ask that.
我当时就想，我总不能无缘无故提这个吧。
And I was like, I'm not bringing this up out of Oh, blue and that's
太搞笑了。
so funny.
好吧，是我先提的。
Well, I brought it up out
那个，我
the I
我说，你在用戴森牙刷做什么？
said, What are you doing with the Dyson toothbrush?
她说，嗯，他们把它从市场上撤了。
She's like, Well, they pulled it from market.
我就说，什么？
And I was like, What?
他说，是啊，上市两天后，摄像头就坏了，然后他们就把产品撤了。
And he's like, Yeah, like two days after it launched, like the camera was breaking and they pulled it from market.
我就说，我怎么没听说？我没看到任何关于它被撤的新闻，而且到现在还没重新上市。
And I was like, how did I not hear about I didn't see any news about it being pulled and it still hasn't been re released yet.
没有，而且也没有任何关于什么时候会重新上市的消息。
No, and there's no updates on when
就是这样，太疯狂了。
That's it worked crazy.
这个牙刷当时宣传那么多，结果没人报道这事儿。
There was so much press about this toothbrush and nobody reported on
网上用户反映了一堆问题，包括喷水失灵、断裂，还有牙刷沾水就出故障。
it Online getting users have reported a range of problems, including misfiring jets, breakages, and operating failures when the toothbrush gets wet.
什么？
What?
牙刷怎么可能不沾水啊。
As if a toothbrush was going to not get wet.
搞什么鬼？
What the heck?
他们到底测试过没有？
Did they even test this?
他们声称只有少数产品受影响。
They claim only a small number of units have been affected.
当然啦。
Course.
讽刺的是，我觉得戴森就是那种会反复测试、过度测试一切的公司。
Ironic, I feel like Dyson is the company that would test, over test everything.
我同意。
I agree.
他们做的每样东西都过度设计。
Everything they make so over engineered.
那是他们的名声。
That's their reputation.
他们整个，对，就是这样。
Their whole, yeah, exactly.
就像每样东西都过度设计，所以他们必须进行最疯狂的极限测试。
Like everything is so over engineered that they have to put it through the most insane stretch tests of all time.
而且它发布两天后就坏了被召回，这太离谱了。
And the fact that it was like breaking and got pulled two days after it released is insane.
总之，这是第一条更新。
Anyway, that's update number one.
时间足够让一个叫AllGearNoSkill的Instagram账号找到用它拍街头摄影照片的方法，这——
There was enough time for an Instagram page called AllGearNoSkill to find a way to take street photography photos with it, which-
用那10万像素。
With all 100,000 pixels.
那是什么？
What is it?
0.1百万像素？
0.1 megapixels?
0.1百万像素。
Zero one megapixels.
所以你不能真的用它拍照，因为戴森自己说不能存储任何照片或媒体，
So you can't actually take photos with this because Dyson themselves say you cannot store any photos or media,
但是——听起来像Apple Watch。
but- Sounds like the Apple Watch.
在应用里有一个实时查看屏幕，所以当你刷牙的时候，你可以看到你的牙齿，我想。
In the app, there is a live viewing screen, so when you're brushing, you can see your teeth, I guess.
这个人做的是把它拿到日光下，然后在实时取景的时候截屏手机屏幕。
What this person did is took it out into the daylight and then took screenshots of their phone as the live view is happening.
所以照片就是这么拍出来的。
So that's how they took the photos.
说实话，还挺酷的。
And honestly, they're kind of cool.
挺有感觉的。
They're kind of vibey.
非常有感觉。
They're very vibey.
它们全都严重变形，一开始我还以为是漱口水的问题，所以看起来都像在水下拍的，但我觉得其实是摄像头外面的塑料太差了，所以看起来真的很糟糕。
They're all super distorted, which at first I was wondering if the mouthwash thing had to shoot, and that's why it looked, they all look like they're underwater, but I think the plastic covering the camera is just so bad that they look really bad.
这就是人们说的第一代iPhone照片的样子。
This is what people talk about first gen iPhone photos looking like.
对，这确实挺奇怪的。
That, yeah, this is weird.
你想要的那种氛围，它们看起来都像在水下一样。
There's some vibe you want, they kind of all look like they're underwater.
她说，在公共场合拿着牙刷对着东西拍照，显然感觉有点奇怪。
She said that she obviously felt kind of weird walking around in public, pointing a toothbrush at things.
是的，
Yep,
我觉得这完全可以理解。
I Which would do is totally fair.
我最喜欢她的一句话是：相机需要很多光，但又不能承受太多光。
And my favorite quote from her was, The camera needs a lot of light, but also can't handle too much of it.
这真的很好笑，但这也是一把500美元的牙刷，所以它不
Which is really funny, but it's also a $500 toothbrush, so it's not
应该只有10万像素，Andrew。
supposed It's to 100,000 pixels, Andrew.
你说它是500美元的牙刷，但它已经停产了，所以你得在eBay上买，那里卖到1500美元。
You say it's a $500 toothbrush, but it's not on sale anymore, so you have to get them on eBay, where they're going for a $1,500
不会吧。
No way.
你是在
Are you
开玩笑吗？
kidding me?
15个密封未拆封的，你可以买一个，就是1500美元。
15 sealed in box, you can get one, it's just 1,500.
把它当成二手市场，买一个二手牙刷，这可能是我听过最疯狂的事了。
Thinking of it as the resale market and buying a resale toothbrush might be the most insane thing I've ever heard.
这是最2020年的
That's the most 2020
对，我听过最
sense Yeah, thing I've ever
很多Reddit用户都说它看起来很像2020年代初的AI生成照片。
a lot of Reddit users were saying that it looked very similar to an early 2020s Gen AI photo.
比如说，你还记得谷歌的Deep Dream吗？
Like, do you remember Google Deep Dream?
就是那种狗互相闻来闻去，然后生成蒙娜丽莎的那种？
When they had like the dog smelling into each other to make the Mona Lisa?
或者是最早的威尔·史密斯吃意大利面的视频，里面所有东西都在晃来晃去。
Or even the first Will Smith eating spaghetti video where everything's like wobbling.
所有东西都特别不稳定。
Everything's really like unstable.
所以那还挺好玩的。
So that's fun.
我真希望是我先想到这个点子的。
I wish I had done this first.
用牙刷拍街头摄影，这才是下一个潮流。
Street photography on a toothbrush is the next meta.
这句话真是前所未闻。
Brand new sentence.
这就是
That's the
下一个潮流。
next meta.
话说回来，既然它已经下架了，那它就跟不存在一样，因为市面上买不到了。
Anyway, speaking of it not being around anymore because it was pulled, it's the same thing as nothing because it's not on the market.
所以你去货架找的时候，它不在那儿，就跟没有一样。
So when you go to the aisle to look for it, it's not there, which is nothing.
哦，就像那副耳机一样。
Oh, just like the headphones.
在你脑子里。
In your head.
太疯狂了。
That's crazy.
哦，哇。
Oh, wow.
那个壳子敲在桌上声音真好听。
That case sounded so nice when I hit the table.
所以它是塑料的。
So it's a plastic.
其实不完全是塑料。
Not really plastic.
好吧。
Okay.
所以我还没
So I have not
试过这些。
tried these before.
这些是Nothing Headphone One Pro。
These are the Nothing Headphone One Pro.
对。
Yes.
这些是Nothing首款号称录音室级别、混音级别的耳机。
They're Nothing's first studio quality, mixing quality, quote unquote headphones.
Ellis，当大家都把东西叫做录音室级别时，你是什么感觉？
Ellis, how do you feel when everyone calls everything studio quality?
好的，首先我想
Okay, first I just wanna
说，抱歉，对不起。
say Sorry, I'm sorry.
我保证我在这期播客里是专注的。
I promise I'm locked in on this podcast.
对于看视频的观众，看到我四处张望，我得同时干Adam的活。
For those video watching that see me look at all sorts of directions, I gotta do Adam's job two hand.
我们录音的电脑一直有音频问题，所以我在笔记本上处理一些事情，好释放一些GPU空间。
We've been having some audio issues on the recording computer, so I'm doing stuff on my laptop just to free up some GPU space.
我发誓，我对这份工作非常认真。
I swear, I take this job so seriously.
好的。
Alright.
回答你的问题，我其实挺矛盾的。
To answer your question, I'm kind of ambivalent.
什么意思呢？
What does it mean?
我也不太清楚。
I don't know.
我会在录音棚里用它们吗？
Would I use those in a studio?
大概不会。
Probably not.
如果我走进录音棚，看到有人用这个，我可能会想，要么这家伙懂什么我不知道的，要么就是钱多。
If I walked into a studio and someone was using those, I would either be like, damn, that guy knows something that I don't or has a lot of money.
好的。
Alright.
马库斯，给我们讲讲 Nothing Headphone One Pro 吧。
Marques, tell us about the Nothing Headphone One Pro.
好的。
Alright.
评测已经出来了。
So the review's out.
这是他们售价 400 美元的耳机，在多个方面都比之前的 Nothing Headphones One 有所升级。
This is their $400 pair of headphones, that are an upgrade in several ways over the previous Nothing Headphones One.
它们里面用的是三单元设计，而不是单单元。
They are triple drivers inside instead of a single driver.
他们声称整体音质会好很多。
They claim to have much better overall sound.
当然啦，这是他们自己说的。
Obviously, they claim that.
而且用料也稍微高档一些。
But they're also slightly more premium materials.
它有一条钛金属的带子。
It's like a titanium band.
背面这里不再是塑料，而是玻璃。
Instead of plastic on the back here, this is glass.
设计上稍微有点新意。
It's a slightly new design.
然后他们做了一个有趣的设计，就是有一个扁平的按钮。
And then they do this interesting feature where they have a flat button.
在这里。
In here.
是个开关，对吧？
A switch, right?
一个开关。
A switch.
当你拨动那个开关，它就从那种漂亮的彩色V形频率响应，变成基本上相当于切换到log视频的效果。
When you flip that switch, it goes from being its nice colorful V shaped frequency response to being basically the equivalent of flipping it to log video.
它就完全变平了。
It just goes totally flat.
总之，这个设计的想法是，你可以通过拨动开关，在两种模式之间切换：一种是适合听音乐、氛围感强的耳机，另一种是适合录音室监听的参考耳机。如果你在飞机上想听音乐，落地后想戴着这副耳机剪辑视频，你可以拨动开关，两种用途都能做好。
And the idea, anyway, is that that is being able to flip a switch between these being fun, vibey music listening headphones, and also being like studio reference headphones, if you want to listen to music on the plane and then land and then edit a video with these headphones on, you can flip the switch and do both properly.
差不多吧。
Kinda.
确实可以。
You can.
我……
I...
它确实带来了非常明显的效果。
It definitely does make a dramatic effect.
他们说这是完全未处理的音频，而且当你拨动那个开关时，它确实会禁用均衡器。
They're saying it's totally unprocessed audio, and and it literally disables the EQ when you flip that switch.
所以这确实有点东西。
So it's it's something.
不过它们还配了一个新盒子，是他们专门为这款耳机设计的。
But they also come in this case, this new case that they've made for it.
它们还是不能折叠。
They still don't fold.
这次他们没有像上次那样做一个大长方形盒子，而是做了一个类似胸罩形状的盒子。
And instead of making a big rectangular case like the last one, they've made this sort of a bralette case.
是塑料的。
It's plastic.
这可能是我见过的最糟糕的盒子设计。
It's maybe the worst version of this case I've ever seen.
给耳机充电的USB-C接口还在里面，但当你合上盒子时，接口就被盖住了，没法充电。
The USB C port to charge the headphones is still in here, but when you close the case, that covers it and you can't charge them.
所以你得
So you
打开盒子才能给耳机充电。
have to open it to charge the headphones.
这让人很困惑。
That's confusing.
它比耳机本身还重。
It weighs more than the headphones themselves.
所以整个包装大概有700克左右。
So this whole package is like 700 grams or something.
挺重的。
It's a lot.
差不多一磅。
It's like a pound.
让我看看。
Let me see.
我递给你。
But I'll hand them to you.
这就是Nothing Pro耳机。
That is the the Pro Nothing Headphones.
它们实际听起来……
They actually sound...
如果你听我的评测，我觉得它们听起来还不错。
If you listen to my review, I think they sound fine.
但在400美元主动降噪耳机这个圈子里，它们并不是顶尖的。
But in the world of $400 active noise cancelling headphones, they are not at the top.
但这类耳机现在大多数都不再是400美元了。
But most of the headphones in this category aren't $400 anymore.
它们通常在350到550美元之间。
They range from $350 to $550 typically.
而且现在这些都接近550美元了。
And these are are all closer to $5.50 now.
新的Sonos Ace是450美元。
The new Sonos Ace are $4.50.
那要看是哪一款了。
It depends on which ones.
比如Beats 360s是350美元。
Like the Beats 360s are $3.50.
索尼XM4重新发布是300美元。
The Sony XM4 relaunch is 300.
XM6s是450美元。
The XM6s are $4.50.
AirPods Max是550美元。
The AirPods Max are $5.50.
还有很多其他耳机，差不多在这个价位。
There's a bunch of other headphones that are like sort The of in this
QuietComfort还是标价360美元，这……
QuietComfort still say $3.60, which
对，Bose是360美元。
Yeah, $3.60 for Bose.
不过QC Ultra，我觉得是450美元。
QC Ultra though, I think it's $4.50.
哦，也许吧。
Oh, maybe
新的索尼XMX Ultra今天刚发布。
the new Sony XMX Ultra just came out today.
那些
And those
大概要400多吧，对。
are like 4 Yeah,
所以价格范围挺大的。
So there's a big range.
我觉得它们都差不多，都是高端主动降噪耳机。
They're all in the same level, I guess, of like these are the premium active noise canceling headphones.
这是钛金属的吗？
Is this titanium?
钛金属，但表面有涂层，而且配了非常柔软舒适的耳垫。
Titanium, but like with a coating on it and with a really nice a plush cushion.
这副耳机最好的部分就是那个耳垫，
The best part these headphones is the cushion,
我其实觉得。
I actually think.
耳垫摸起来确实不错。
The cushion feels Yeah.
所以给了……
So gave the...
显然，这是Pro版，跟其他款不一样，但我之前对上一款Nothing耳机的设计很不喜欢。
Obviously, this is pro versus the other ones, but I gave the style of the Last Nothing headphones.
我一点都不喜欢它们，而我觉得这款非常棒。
I did not like them one bit, and I think these are fantastic.
真的吗？
Really?
我觉得这款看起来好看多了，也干净多了。
I think these look way nicer, way cleaner.
虽然我被骗了。
Although I got tricked.
我以为里面是真的，我当时想，哦，那看起来确实像真的，但显然它是假的，但至少看起来更好。
I thought the interiors, I was like, Oh, that actually does look like it might be something real, but it's fake apparently, but at least it looks better.
它不会太夸张。
It's not like over the top.
它非常低调而且好看。
It's very subtle and nice.
所以你会得到那种酷感，而且我非常喜欢Nothing真无线耳机。
So you get the cool, and I love Nothing Truly Wireless headphones.
我几乎每天都用它们。
I use them almost every day.
是耳塞吗？
The earbuds?
是耳塞，因为我觉得它们看起来很好看，而且戴在耳朵里很合适，这大概就是我在意的全部了，因为我没有在听或看什么重要到需要我在意音质的东西，我觉得这些看起来不错，戴起来也舒服。
The earbuds, because I think they look really good and they fit in my ears, and that's kind of all I care about because I'm not listening or watching anything important enough for And me to care about the sound as I think these looks nice and they feel nice.
而且这个盒子真是个庞然大物。
And this case is a monstrosity.
这个盒子挺奇怪的，因为它有一部分设计得挺好的。
The case is kind of a crazy thing because it's like partly well designed.
它有个金属搭扣。
It has this like metal latch.
材质也挺高级的，但让人无语的是他们居然没考虑怎么充电。
It's got these kind of premium materials, but then it's insane that they didn't think about charging them.
等等。
Wait.
好。
Okay.
我想让你做件事。
I want you to do something.
戴上耳机，让我拍张照……
Put the headphones on, and let me take...
让我看看这个盒子。
Let me see this case.
等等。
Wait.
好，把耳机戴上，右边戴在右边。
So put the headphones on with the right right side on the right.
现在这是你的盒子。
And now this is your case.
好，现在把它们放进盒子里。
So now go ahead and put them in the case.
好的。
Okay.
你看，把它们放进盒子里多直观。
See how intuitive it is to put them in the case.
你打开盒子，摘下耳机，试着按戴着的方向放进去，结果放反了。
So you open the case, you take the headphones off, you try to put them in the way you had them on, upside down.
哦，你把它放反了。
Oh, you have it upside down.
因为放反了，所以反而放得那么好。
That worked so well because it was upside down.
因为他正对着镜头，而不是……哦，
Because he's like facing the camera instead of Oh,
对，正对着。
facing yeah.
好。
Okay.
所以如果我
So if I
有
have
它们，那你得翻过来，搞定。
them So you have to flip done.
盒子是正着放的。
The case is right side up.
然后你从头上摘下来，得翻个面才能放进盒子里，这点我有点烦。
And you take them off your head, you have to flip them to put them in the case, which I was like slightly annoyed by that.
我不知道为什么这样设计。
I don't know why that's
有点奇怪。
kind weird.
这是个
It's a
小细节。
little thing.
就是那种小细节累积起来，因为其他部分的体验都很糟糕。
It's one of those little things that stacks up because the rest of the case is a terrible experience.
大部分时候吧。
Mostly.
就是
It's
就是，我猜放在包里的时候能保护它们，但保护不了头带，感觉就是这样。
just like, I guess it protects them when you put them in a bag, but it doesn't protect the head strap, which feels like it.
所以感觉就是增加了重量和体积，又不能充电，感觉没什么实际用处。
That's So it feels like it's just adding weight and bulk without being able to charge it, without like, it feels like for no real reason.
它有小挂绳孔，我想如果你愿意的话，也可以把整个带子挂上去，然后像……一样戴着。
It has its little lanyard holds that I guess you could put a whole strap on also if you wanted and wear it like a...
但那样的话——
But then-
挂些小饰品什么的。
For charms and stuff.
挂些小饰品什么的。
Their charms and stuff.
我也不清楚。
I don't know.
我完全不懂那个。
I'm so out of that.
我们上次做的只是建议，什么都没用。
The last one we made is suggestions and nothing.
说了，我们不听那种人的话。
Said, we don't listen to people like that.
对，他们确实那么说了。
Yeah, they did say that.
关于评审过程，我想说几句。
Here's what I'll say about the review process.
如果这些——
Had these-
他们真那么说了？
Did say that?
他们从别人那里借鉴设计，我很庆幸我们没有从别人那里借鉴设计，或者
They take design from, I'm glad we didn't take design from people or
对，他们肯定会把这段播客剪掉的。
something Yeah, well, they're definitely gonna clip this podcast.
我要把关于我评测过程的有趣部分做成YouTube视频。我想说，比较是快乐的小偷。
I'm gonna make So YouTube video out of the interesting thing about my review process, I'll say comparison is a thief of joy.
所以，我先拿到这副耳机，听了几天，整个周末都在听。
So first, I got these headphones and for a couple days and for the entire weekend, I was listening to them.
我当时就想，对。
And I was like, yeah.
哇。
Wow.
这副耳机真不错。
These are nice.
挺好的。
These are good.
我手边没有其他耳机可以对比。
I didn't have any other headphones with me for reference.
所以我一直在听，你知道的，很多Spotify上的歌和其他东西，然后我就觉得，嗯，这些耳机真不错。
So I was listening to, like, you know, lots of Spotify and a bunch of other stuff, and I was like, yeah, these are good.
而且它们超级舒服，电池续航也特别久。
Then they're super comfortable, and the battery's lasting forever.
所以除了那个充电盒之外，我对大部分方面都挺满意的。
And so I was I was pretty happy with, like, a lot of it other than the case.
我当时还想，我可能以后就一直用这副耳机了。
And I was like, I think I might, like, just like to use these headphones all the time.
然后周一我回到这里，拿出了六七副其他耳机，开始做对比测试，以便形成我对音质的最终评价。
And then when I got back here on Monday, I broke out, like, six or seven other pairs of headphones and started doing my back to back testing to, like, form my last thoughts to write on the sound quality.
就在那时候我才发现，哦。
And that's when I was like, oh.
原来其他很多耳机在温暖感、分离度和细节方面都做得更好。
Like, there's a lot more warmth and separation and detail in a lot of these other headphones.
Nothing这款耳机在被动降噪方面做得不错，多亏了这些耳罩。
And the Nothing does a good job with passive noise cancellation because of these ear cups.
所以它们的主动降噪做得确实很好，我得说，在降噪方面它们跟其他竞品不相上下。
So they do a really good job with ANC, and I will say they they match up with ANC to the rest of the competition.
但就实际音质而言，我最后发现，哦，其实我不想继续用这些耳机了。有意思。
But in the actual way that they sound, I ended up being like, oh, I actually don't wanna keep using these headphones Interesting.
因为我一直很喜欢索尼和AirPods Max的声音。
Because of the way I've been enjoying Sony's and AirPods Max.
你是用蓝牙连接Spotify听无损音乐吗？
Were you using lossless Spotify with Bluetooth?
是的，但那不是真正的无损。
Yes, which is not real.
不是真正的。
Not real.
但这确实是我平常的听歌方式。
But it is my typical listening situation.
所以那
So that
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