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所以我可以对自己的一生进行这样的诊断，然后说：好吧。

So I can do this kind of diagnosis of my own life and I can say, okay.

那么，对我来说最重要的事情是什么呢？

Well, so what what would be the things that are most important to me?

显然，家庭、朋友，还有我的精神生活，这本身有点混乱和复杂，因为我大量研究卡巴拉——这是一种古老的灵性智慧，同时也深入学习了大量藏传佛教。

Clearly family, clearly friends, clearly my spiritual life, which which in its own right is kind of a little bit messy and mixed because I study a lot of Kabbalah, which is this ancient spiritual wisdom, but I also study a tremendous amount of Tibetan Buddhism.

我还会不断关注其他研究领域。

Then I'm always looking at other areas of study.

所以即使在这一块，也不是那么简单。

So even within that, it's not that simple.

它相当复杂，总是有点失控，但这却是我生活中极其重要的一部分。

It's kind of complex and always spiraling out of control a bit, but that's a really, really important part of my life.

我内心有一种奇特的渴望，想要提升自己、成为更好的人，但大多数时候我又强烈地感到自己彻底失败、远远不够，但这对我而言是一个关键的方面。

There's some kind of weird yearning to kind of elevate and become a better person, and also a terrible sense most of the time that I'm utterly failing and falling short, but that's a key bucket for me.

还有身体、心理和情感健康这一整块，对吧？

And then there's the whole thing of physical, mental, and emotional well-being, right?

所以克里斯·贝格所说的全面健康，这一点很重要。

So what Chris Begg calls total wellness, which is important.

我在心理和情感健康方面比在身体方面做得好得多。

I'm much better at the mental and emotional well-being part than I am at the physical part.

所以我确实对自己忽视身体方面感到愧疚。

So I definitely am feeling bad about neglecting the physical part.

然后是另一件事，这并没有特定的顺序，但我越来越清楚地意识到，我人生中想做的事情基本上就是学习和分享想法。

And then the other thing, and this is not in any particular order, I think it's become increasingly clear to me that what I wanna do in life is basically be learning and sharing ideas.

我通过写书、主持播客、开设大师课、发表演讲，或担任投资公司的顾问、另一家投资公司的董事会成员来实现这一点。

I do that through writing books or hosting the podcast or hosting the masterclass or doing speeches or being an advisor to an investment firm or a board member of another investment firm.

本质上，我试图通过分享想法来帮助他人，同时滋养自己对学习的热情。

Basically it's me kind of trying to help other people by sharing ideas and at the same time nurturing my own passion for learning.

所以我认为我对这些分类已经有了相当清晰的认识，而这很关键。

So I think I have a pretty good sense of what the buckets are and I think that's key.

我认为对于我们的听众来说，要意识到有些人比我更有系统性，他们会说：看，把它分成七个方面，明确这些领域，然后确定优先级，并围绕它们来规划你的生活。

I think for our listeners, just to be aware that there are these people who are more systematic than I am, who've been like, Look, break it into seven and you have these areas and then figure out your priorities and then structure your life around that.

然后，我认为观察像比尔·米勒或巴菲特这样的伟大投资者是非常有启发性的。

And then I think it's very instructive to look at great investors like Bill Miller or Buffett say.

比尔·米勒明确地让我意识到，他把大量时间花在阅读、投资和学习上。

So Bill Miller basically made it pretty clear to me that he spends an enormous amount of time reading, investing, and learning.

他不会去做那些比如加油或者装修房子之类的事情，他根本不会做这些。

He's not gonna do things like pumping gas or decorating his houses or he's just not.

因此，他极大地简化了自己的生活，专注于对他最重要的事情。

So he had really simplified his life massively around the things that are most important to him.

他有一位可爱的妻子，有很多优秀的孩子，花很多时间陪伴家人，同时也花很多时间在收藏上，比如收藏珍贵的书籍等等。

And he has a lovely wife, so a lot of great kids, a lot of time with family, and also a lot of time with things like collecting, where he collects amazing books and the like.

去年在奥马哈的股东大会上，巴菲特谈到他和查理时，我深受触动。

Buffett, I was very struck last year at the AGM in Omaha where he he was talking about him and Charlie.

他说，我们一直过着一种每天都能感到快乐的生活。

And he said, we always lived in a way where we were happy with what we were doing every day.

他说，查理喜欢学习。

He said, Charlie liked learning.

他对更多事物感兴趣，而我则不然。

He was interested in more things than I was.

我的兴趣更狭窄。

I was narrower.

我喜欢的是有更多问题可以解决。

What I like is having more problems to solve.

他说他按照自己想要的方式生活，并且能自由表达自己的想法。

And he said he lived his life the way he wanted to and got to say what he wanted to say.

他们对自己想要如何生活非常清楚。

So they were very clear about how they wanted to live.

你从查理身上就能看出来。

You would see it with Charlie.

对吧？

Right?

查理说，我们赚钱的根本原因是为了不必听命于任何人，从而能过自己想要的生活。

Charlie saying that the reason we made the money was basically so we wouldn't be subordinate to anyone so we could live the way we liked.

想想他花在钓鱼、打桥牌和大量阅读上的时间。

Think of the amount of time he spent fishing, playing bridge, reading voraciously.

然后我记得克里斯托弗·赛曾对我说，查理其实非常喜欢重播《法律与秩序》。

And then I loved the fact that Christopher Sai said to me at one point that Charlie actually really liked watching Law and Order reruns.

这让我感到欣慰，意识到我不必因为看些电视而感到内疚。

And that kind of made me happy to realize, Oh, I don't need to feel guilty about watching some TV.

就连伟大的查理·芒格也会追看《法律与秩序》的重播。

Even the great Charlie Munger watch Law and Order reruns kind of binge watching.

我哥哥是一位非常成功的出庭律师、英国王室法律顾问，他曾跟我谈起一位朋友，这位朋友是位传奇性的大法官，极其聪慧。

My brother, who's a very successful barrister, litigator, King's Council in England, was talking to me about a friend of his, who's this absolutely legendary law lord, a very brilliant guy.

我想他会看的是《波士顿法律》吧？

I think he would watch, is it Boston Legal?

这位可是世界上最有名的法官和人权律师之一。

So here's this guy who's one of the most famous judges and human rights lawyers in the world.

他在闲暇时间居然在电视上看《波士顿法律》。

He's watching Boston Legal on TV in his downtime.

所以我觉得这种说法令人安心。

So I find that kind of comforting.

我认为每个人都会浪费一点时间，但我们并非不近人情。

Everyone's wasting a little bit of time, I think, but we're inhuman.

然后我想起多尔莎，她曾是查理的助手长达几十年，如果我没记错的话，有三十多年。

And then I think it was Dorthe who had been Charlie's assistant for decades, thirty something years, if I remember rightly.

她提到，据我所知，是她说查理每天都会吃加利福尼亚比萨厨房的鸡肉沙拉。

She talked about how basically I think it was her who said this, that basically Charlie would just eat chicken salad every day from California Pizza Kitchen.

过去他常吃麦当劳，但后来他发现加利福尼亚比萨厨房的更好。

And in the past, he'd eaten McDonald's, at a certain point, he discovered that California Pizza Kitchen was better.

于是他每天都会从那里点同样的鸡肉沙拉。

And so he'd just get the same chicken salad from there every day.

然后莫尼什告诉我，他每个月基本上只能吃两次花生脆糖。

And then Monish said to me that he was basically allowed peanut brittle twice a month.

因此，他的生活有一种秩序和宁静。

So there was a sort of order and calm to it.

所以我不知道。

So I don't know.

我认为在我们讨论的内容中，你能感受到哪些方法对人们有效，对吧？

I think within what we've discussed, you get a sense of what's worked for people, right?

你需要投入时间和精力的各个方面，以及如何意识到何时这些方面失衡了。

The range of things where you need to be investing time and energy and how to be aware of when it's getting out of whack.

想想克里斯·戴维斯登上播客时谈到的，他审视自己接下来的十万天，并反过来问：哪些事情会阻碍这些日子成为人生中真正充实的时光？

So think of Chris Davis when he came on the podcast and was talking about looking at his next ten thousand days and inverting and saying, would stand in the way of these being a really enriching time of life?

他说：看，健康显然非常重要。

And he said, Look, health is clearly really important.

如果我不照顾好自己，我就会毁掉接下来的十万天。

If I don't take care of myself, I'm gonna be That's a really good way of wrecking the next ten thousand days.

同样，我必须投入关系中，因为如果我不维系和激活我的人际关系，不了解我孩子的伴侣等等，我的生活也不会好。

And similarly, I got to invest in relationships because if I don't maintain and invigorate my relationships and get to know my kids' partners and stuff like that, my life's not gonna be great either.

所以，我希望这能给人们一些超越我个人建议的思路，去思考如何着手这件事。

So I hope that gives people a few ideas for how to go about this that go well beyond me saying how to go about it.

因为我觉得我的方法显然不是最优的。

Because I think it's pretty clear my approach is not optimal.

让我们短暂休息一下，听听今天赞助商的信息。

Let's take a quick break and hear from today's sponsors.

好的。

Alright.

我想让你们想象一下，在夏季高峰期前往奥斯陆度过三天。

I want you guys to imagine spending three days in Oslo at the height of the summer.

你有漫长的白昼、绝佳的美食、漂浮在奥斯陆峡湾上的桑拿房，而且你所有的对话对象都是真正塑造未来的人。

You got long days of daylight, incredible food, floating saunas on the Oslo Fjord, and every conversation you have is with people who are actually shaping the future.

这就是奥斯陆自由论坛。

That's what the Oslo Freedom Forum is.

从2026年6月1日到6月23日，奥斯陆自由论坛将迎来它的第十八个年头，汇聚来自世界各地的活动家、技术专家、记者、投资者和建设者。

From June 1 through the third twenty twenty six, the Oslo Freedom Forum is entering its eighteenth year bringing together activists, technologists, journalists, investors, and builders from all over the world.

其中许多人正站在历史的最前沿。

Many of them operating on the front lines of history.

在这里，你可以亲耳听到人们如何使用比特币应对货币崩溃，如何利用人工智能揭露人权侵害，以及在审查和威权压力下构建技术的真实故事。

This is where you hear firsthand stories from people using Bitcoin to survive currency collapse, using AI to expose human rights abuses, and building technology under censorship and authoritarian pressures.

这些不是抽象的概念。

These aren't abstract ideas.

这些都是现实中的人们正在使用的工具。

These are tools real people are using right now.

你将与大约300位非凡的人物同处一室——异见者、创始人、慈善家、政策制定者，这些是你不仅会聆听，还会共进晚餐的人。

You'll be in the room with about 300 extraordinary individuals, dissidents, founders, philanthropists, policymakers, the kind of people you don't just listen to but end up having dinner with.

在三天里，你将体验到震撼人心的主舞台演讲、关于自由科技与金融主权的动手工作坊、沉浸式艺术装置，以及会议结束后仍持续进行的深入对话。

Over three days, you'll experience powerful main stage talks, hands on workshops on freedom tech and financial sovereignty, immersive art installations, and conversations that continue long after the session's end.

这一切都将在六月的奥斯陆举行。

And it's all happening in Oslo in June.

如果这听起来像是你向往的氛围，那你运气不错，因为你可以亲自到场参加。

If this sounds like your kind of room, well, you're in luck because you can attend in person.

标准票和赞助者票已在oslofreedomforum.com开放购买，赞助者票提供深度参与机会、私人活动，以及与演讲者的小团体交流时间。

Standard and patron passes are available at oslofreedomforum.com with patron passes offering deep access, private events, and small group time with the speakers.

奥斯陆自由论坛不仅仅是一场会议。

The Oslo Freedom Forum isn't just a conference.

这是一个理念与现实交汇的地方，未来正由亲历者们亲手构建。

It's a place where ideas meet reality and where the future is being built by people living it.

当你经营

When you're running

一家小企业时，聘用合适的人才至关重要。

a small business, hiring the right person can make all the difference.

正确的员工能提升你的团队，提高生产力，并将你的业务推向新的高度。

The right hire can elevate your team, boost your productivity, and take your business to the next level.

但找到这样的人本身可能就像一份全职工作。

But finding that person can feel like a full time job in itself.

这就是LinkedIn招聘的用武之地。

That's where LinkedIn jobs comes in.

他们的新AI助手通过为你匹配真正符合需求的顶尖候选人，消除了招聘中的猜测成分。

Their new AI assistant takes the guesswork out of hiring by matching you with top candidates who actually fit what you're looking for.

它不再让你翻阅大量简历，而是根据你的标准筛选求职者，并突出显示最匹配的人选，帮你节省数小时时间，在合适的人选出现时迅速采取行动。

Instead of sifting through piles of resumes, it filters applicants based on your criteria and highlights the best matches, saving you hours and helping you move fast when the right person comes along.

最棒的是，这些优秀的求职者已经存在于LinkedIn上。

The best part is that those great candidates are already on LinkedIn.

事实上，通过LinkedIn招聘的员工至少留任一年的可能性比通过主要竞争对手招聘的员工高出30%。

In fact, employees hired through LinkedIn are 30% more likely to stick around for at least a year compared to those hired through the leading competitor.

一次就招对人。

Hire right the first time.

前往 linkedin.com/studybill 免费发布职位，然后推广职位以使用LinkedIn Jobs的新AI助手，更轻松快捷地找到顶尖候选人。

Post your job for free at linkedin.com/studybill, then promote it to use LinkedIn jobs new AI assistant, making it easier and faster to find top candidates.

免费发布职位请访问 linkedin.com/studybill。

That's linkedin.com/studybill to post your job for free.

条款和条件适用。

Terms and conditions apply.

你曾经对挖比特币感兴趣吗？

Have you ever been interested in mining Bitcoin?

作为一名矿工，我

As a miner myself, I've

过去几个月一直在使用Simple Mining，体验非常顺畅。

been using Simple Mining for the past few months and the experience has been nothing short of seamless.

我选择自己喜欢的矿池，比特币会直接发送到我的钱包。

I mine with the pool of my choice and the Bitcoin is sent directly to my wallet.

总部位于爱荷华州锡达福尔斯的Simple Mining提供高端的一对一服务，适合从个人爱好者到大规模矿工的所有人群。

Simple Mining based in Cedar Falls, Iowa offers a premium white glove service designed for everyone from individual enthusiasts to large scale miners.

他们已经经营了三年半，目前运营着超过10,000台比特币矿机。

They've been in business for three and a half years and currently operate more than 10,000 Bitcoin miners.

由于风能资源丰富，位于爱荷华州的他们所使用的电力超过65%来自可再生能源。

Based in Iowa, their electricity is over 65 renewable, thanks to the abundance of wind energy.

他们不仅通过顶级托管和现场维修服务简化了挖矿流程，还帮助您以企业模式运营，从而获得财务收益。

Not only do they simplify mining with their top notch hosting and on-site repair services, but they also help you benefit financially by running your operations as a business.

这种模式能带来显著的税收优惠，并提升您投资的盈利能力。

This approach offers significant tax advantages and enhances the profitability of your investment.

你是否曾担心过维护矿机的复杂性？

Do you ever worry about the complexities of maintaining your mining equipment?

他们已为你考虑周全。

They've got you covered.

在前十二个月内，所有维修均免费包含在内。

For the first twelve months, all repairs are included at no extra cost.

如果你遇到任何停机时间，他们会为你补偿。

If you experience any downtime, they'll credit you for it.

如果当前你的矿机不盈利，可以随时暂停，无需任何罚款。

And if your miners aren't profitable at the moment, simply pause them with no penalties.

当你准备升级或调整设备时，他们的专属市场提供了一种无缝的设备转售方式。

When you're ready to upgrade or adjust your setup, their exclusive marketplace provides a seamless way to resell your equipment.

加入我以及众多已简化比特币挖矿流程的满意矿工吧。

Join me and many satisfied miners who have simplified their Bitcoin mining journey.

立即访问 simplemining.io/preston 开始你的挖矿之旅。

Visit simplemining.io/preston to get started today.

那就是 simplemining.io/preston，立即开始吧。

That's simplemining.io/preston to get started today.

通过 Simple Mining，他们让一切变得简单。

With Simple Mining, they make it simple.

斯蒂格：好的，回到节目。

Stig All right, back to the show.

不过，威廉，我不确定这是否属实。

I don't know if that's true though, William.

回想一下你之前说的话，我们每个人都有不同的看法，最重要的是我们要与自己的价值观和做事方式保持一致。

Think going back to what you said, we all have different The most important thing is that we align with our own values and how we want to do things.

我听过很多人说巴菲特过着悲惨的生活。

I've heard a lot of people talk about how Buffett lived a terrible life.

回到你之前的观点，再说一遍，巴菲特也有起起落落，没有人能高枕无忧，对吧？

Going to your point before, and again, Buffett has his own ups and downs and no one is home free, right?

我们都有这样的经历，这不过是生活罢了。

We all have that, it's just called life.

我认为，总的来说，巴菲特的生活很大程度上是遵循他的价值观的。

I think by and large, Buffett has very much lived according to his values.

因此，我们很容易说：哦，他真的、真的非常努力工作，也没有花太多时间陪孩子，这是失败的人生。

So it's probably easy to us to say, Oh, he worked really, really hard and he didn't spend as much time with his kids and that's a failed life.

我听过很多种关于这个故事的不同版本。

I've heard many different versions of that story.

这并不是我想说你不应该花时间陪孩子。

This is not my way of saying you shouldn't spend time with your kids.

我想表达的是，在很多方面，我们把自己的价值观强加在别人身上，认为什么对别人才是正确的。

I guess this is my way of saying, in many ways, I think that we put our own values on what is right for other people.

一个出生于1930年、极度热爱自己工作的人，听起来可能不太体面，但也许巴菲特就是这样，他按照自己的内心标准生活。

Someone who's born in 1930 and absolutely love his job, it doesn't sound nice, but perhaps Buffett comes out there and he's like, he kind of lived by his Indus scorecard.

你可能不认同这些标准，但我不确定。

Now, you might not agree with those, but I don't know.

也许巴菲特每天都在为没能更多陪伴孩子成长而自责。

Perhaps Buffett beats himself up every day about not being more present with his kids growing up.

我不这么认为。

I don't think he does.

我认为他会说，他过了一生不错的生活，也像我们其他人一样犯过错误。

I think he would say today that he lived a good life, made mistakes like the rest of us.

所以你要优先安排事情，其余的自然会迎刃而解。

So you prioritize things and then the rest sort of have to work out.

所以，斯蒂格，我知道，比如你、威廉，你们提到过每周五某个固定时间，你们会答应和一群朋友聚会。

So Stig I know that, for example, you, William, you talked about that you have a certain group of friends that you say yes to every Friday at a certain time.

每次你这样做，也就意味着你拒绝了其他事情。

And so whenever you do that, you also say no to other things.

威廉：是的。

William Yeah.

实际上，斯蒂格，这是个非常好的例子，对吧？

And actually, Stig, that's a really good example, right?

我有三个朋友，每周五我们都会在Zoom上见面。

So I have these three friends that I meet on Zoom every Friday.

就在伯克希尔哈撒韦股东大会的前一天早上，我早早吃了早餐，来到大堂，正在为盖伊·斯皮尔主办的ValueXBRK活动采访克里斯·贝格，活动在10:30开始，但我还是准时参加了和朋友们的通话。

And even on the morning before the Berksh Hathaway AGM, I had breakfast really early, went into the lobby, and I was interviewing Chris Begg at ValueXBRK, the event that Guy Spier hosts at 10:30, and I still got on to my call with my friends.

然后，我们有一位在尼泊尔的非凡老师，有时会在周五打电话进来，那天她真的打来了。

Then we have this extraordinary teacher in Nepal who calls in sometimes on a Friday, and so she called.

于是我坐在大堂里，和朋友们在一起，同时丹·戈尔曼也在群里，他可爱的妻子塔拉也在，她也是一位心理学家和作家。

So I'm sitting there with my friends and also Dan Goleman, who's part of the group when our teacher calls, and his lovely wife as well, Tara, who's also a psychologist and author.

所以我坐在大堂里，和朋友们一边走一边聊天，还得不时停下来跟进来的人打招呼。

And so I'm sitting there in the lobby with my friends sort of walking through the lobby, having to sat up and kind of say hi to people as they come in.

但事实上，我正在大堂里实时直播来自加德满都的这位杰出老师的一场对话，而接下来我就要去舞台上采访克里斯·贝格。

But I'm basically live streaming a conversation from Kathmandu with this amazing teacher right before I go do my interview with Chris Begg on stage.

这真的非常重要。

And so that's really important.

我努力坚持下去，让它成为一种一贯的做法。

I try to stick with it and make it a consistent thing.

但上周五，我妻子突然对我说：‘我忘了告诉你，我要去看医生，你得等我，然后接我回家。’

But then last Friday, my wife suddenly said to me, I forgot to tell you, I'm going to the doctor and you need to wait for me and drive me home.

然后她把地址搞错了，因为她毕竟要处理太多事情，所以我们去了错误的地方，还试着找了一下？

And then she gets the address wrong because she's sort of you know, she's dealing with too many things, and so we go to the wrong place and we try you know?

于是我错过了我的会议，后来才发现我们的老师已经打来电话，做了一次精彩的教导，我感到有些沮丧。

So I missed my meeting, and then I discovered that our teacher has called in and given this amazing teaching, and I felt kinda crestfallen.

而且，我遗憾错过了与朋友们的对话，同时也遗憾错过了老师这次非凡的教导。

And, you know, like this sadness that I missed this conversation with my friends and also this sadness that I missed this unbelievable teaching from our teacher.

但与此同时，我也意识到我必须陪在我妻子身边。

And then at the same time, I'm sort of aware that I have to be there for my wife.

她总是毫不犹豫地为我付出。

And she wouldn't hesitate to be there for me always.

我的妻子非常善良、乐于分享。

I mean, she's incredibly kind and sharing.

所以我必须足够灵活，告诉自己：好吧，事情并没有按照我期望的方式发展。

And so I'm having to be flexible enough to say, Okay, things aren't going the way that I want them to go.

此刻我正堵在高峰时段的车流中，开往一个错误的地方，因为我们搞错了医生办公室所在的城市。

Here I am driving through rush hour traffic to the wrong place because we have the wrong city that the doctor's office is in.

这真的让人沮丧，一切都不按计划进行。

And it's really frustrating and nothing's going to plan.

但我心想，也许这正是我此刻需要的。

But I'm like, maybe that is what I need right now.

也许这正是一个机会，让我磨练耐心、善良和慷慨，因为我感到有些烦躁，又因没能和老师交谈而失落，我到底错过了什么？

Maybe actually this is an opportunity for me to work on my patience, my kindness, my generosity because I'm feeling kind of irritated and I'm feeling kind of crestfallen that I'm not having this conversation with the teacher and what am I missing?

所以，我越来越有一种感觉——这完全不是基于实证的，但对我来说却真实可信，而且越来越真实：生活正以一种略带梦幻的方式展开。

So I think I have a sense increasingly that's totally It's not empirically based, but it feels real to me and increasingly real, which is that life is just unfolding in this somewhat dreamlike way.

而我所做的一切，更像是自由式滑雪。

And it's much more like freestyle skiing, what I'm doing.

我只是在每一个当下努力适应情境的要求。

I'm just trying to adapt in every moment to what that situation requires.

因此，我有一种对事情自然展开的顺从感。

And so there's some sense of surrender to the unfolding of what's happening.

原本我计划在周五早上做某件事，但后来我意识到必须放下它，并努力在那一刻全然临在，以便感知当时真正需要的是什么。

So there was the structure of wanting to do a particular thing on the Friday morning, and there was the recognition that I had to let go of it and trying to be deeply present in that moment so that I could sense what was called for in that moment.

所以这里有一种神秘感，对吧？

And so there is something kind of mystical here, right?

你感觉是被引导着，而不是掌控一切，你必须适应，而不是把自己的意志强加于每件事上。

The sense that you're being guided rather than being in control, and you're having to adapt rather than impose your own will on everything.

托尼·罗宾斯总是说，生活是为你而发生，而不是对你发生。

And there's a sense Tony Robbins would always say how life happens for you, not to you.

不管这是否真实，当我坐在高峰堵车中，开错了地方，却对自己说：没关系。

And whether that's true or not, adapting in that moment when I'm sitting in rush hour traffic going to the wrong place and being like, It's okay.

没关系。

It's okay.

这样也挺好。

And this is fine.

我本该在这里。

This is where I'm supposed to be.

这样很好。

That's good.

这对我来说非常有帮助。

And there was a It's very helpful to me.

我最近听到了一个非常美妙的教诲，它对我产生了深远的影响，我想与你们分享。

And there's a really beautiful teaching that I heard recently that's had a very profound effect on me that I'll share with you.

我有一位非常棒的老师，迈克尔·伯克，我之前曾在播客中邀请过他，他是一位出色的催化剂。

I have this really wonderful teacher, Michael Burke, who I've had on the podcast before, who's a great catalyst.

对我来说，他是一位极好的榜样，就像我曾在播客中邀请过的那些伟大的藏传佛教导师如索堪仁波切一样，还有另一位我拥有的老师卡琳达，她简直不可思议，可惜我上周五错过了她。

And for me, he's a really wonderful role model in the same way that these great Tibetan Buddhist teachers like Sokhni Rinpoche, who I had on the podcast, was, and also Candela, this other teacher that I have who just is unbelievable, who I missed on Friday.

有人给我讲了一个关于迈克尔·伯格的故事。

And someone was telling me a story about Michael Berg.

我问这个人：你觉得迈克尔总是快乐的吗？

And I said to this guy, Do you think Michael's always happy?

他说：是的。

And he said, Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

基本上一直如此。

Basically all the time.

你几乎从来看不到他的意识有片刻的波动。

Like, you never really see his consciousness lapse.

他一直都很开心。

He's just happy the whole time.

他说，我看到一件特别有趣的事：有个人不小心掉了一样东西，东西摔碎了，发出很大的响声，大家都被吓了一跳，纷纷转头去看。

And he said, yeah, I saw this really interesting thing where someone dropped something and it smashed, and everyone was looking over at this thing as it dropped because it was, you know, it was like this really loud noise, and was kinda shocking.

他说，就在那一刻，我恰好看向了迈克尔。

And he said, and I happened to look at Michael at that moment.

我意识到迈克尔正轻声对自己说：‘这太完美了。’

And I realized Michael was just whispering very quietly to himself, it's perfect.

在过去的几周里，这件事对我影响很大，因为我觉得他本质上是在说，正如他所讲的：所有发生的事都是为了我的利益。

And that's had a big impact on me in the last few weeks because I think what he's basically doing is saying, as he would put it, everything that happens is for my benefit.

没有任何一件事的发生不是为了我的利益。

There's nothing that happens that isn't for my benefit.

因此，我生活中很多的愤怒和烦躁都源于事情没有按照我的预期发展。

And so a lot of my anger and irritation in life is when things don't go the way I expect them to.

就像是，等等，我本想进行早晨的连接。

It's like, But wait, I wanted to do my morning connection.

等等，我本想冥想。

But wait, I wanted to meditate.

等等，我本想……但生活并没有按这种方式发展。

But wait, I wanna And it's like, then life doesn't go that way.

通常，有些事情我真心觉得对我和别人都有好处。

Often there are things that I really feel are good for me and good for other people.

我怀着最好的意图去做了，但结果还是不理想，或者搞砸了。

I did them with the best intentions, and then it still didn't work out, or it went horribly wrong.

我想我正在努力追求一种流动性的心态，即任何发生的事情都是好的。

I think part of what I'm trying to work towards is a sense of fluidity where anything that happens is good.

这其中包含一种精神层面的内涵。

And there is a spiritual component to this.

迈克尔·伯格会说，一切都是造物主的光。

Michael Berg would say, everything is just the light of the creator.

没有什么，你所经历的一切都是如此。

There's nothing It's everything that's happening to you.

在犹太新年赎罪日那天，我以一种极其荒谬且充满矛盾的英式方式，前一晚住在了耶鲁俱乐部。

There was a really interesting moment on Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year, where I, in some ridiculous conflicted English way, I stayed at the Yale club the night before.

这简直是赎罪日前夜最‘ WASP ’做派的行为，只为能待在纽约市。

It's like the most waspy thing to do on the night before Rosh Hashanah so I could be in New York City.

于是我去了那里，早上我是个素食者，作为犹太人，我更是绝对不吃猪肉。

And so I go there and in the morning, I'm vegetarian and I doubly don't eat pork as a Jew.

这是赎罪日，一个非常神圣的日子。

It's Rosh Hashanah, it's like this really holy day.

于是我点了一份蔬菜煎蛋卷，他们端上来后，我一吃才发现里面加了火腿。

And so I order a vegetable omelet and they bring me an omelet and I dig into it and I realize it's got ham in it.

因此我非常沮丧。

And so I'm really upset.

对吧？

Right?

我当时就想，这到底是怎么回事？

And I'm like, what the hell?

后来我问迈克尔·伯格：那我在赎罪日那天不得不吃的火腿，当时我正努力净化自己，那也是来自造物主的吗？

And I said to Michael Berglater, so was the ham that I had to eat on Rosh Hashanah while I'm trying to purify and stuff, was that from the creator too?

他说：没错，火腿也是，一切都是光的体现。

He's like, yep, that too, the ham as well, all from the light.

无论你怎么看待这种精神主张，有些人会翻白眼，而我过去很多年也一定会翻白眼。

And so whatever one makes of that as a sort of spiritual claim, and some people will roll their eyes, and I would've rolled my eyes at this for a lot of my life.

但我认为，如果你以这种方式看待生活，认为一切都有点神圣、有点超然，并且一切都是为了你的益处，这是一种非常有力的生活方式。

I think it's a very powerful way to live your life where you're like, everything is kind of divine, everything is kind of transcendent if you regard it that way and it's all there for your benefit.

我们从糟糕的经历、困难的时刻、不如意的挑战中学习——当事情不如预期、你的日程乱了套、你误了航班，等等。

We're learning from the bad experiences, the difficult ones, the challenges when it doesn't go our way, when your schedule goes out of whack, when you miss your flight, whatever.

所以我觉得，我们就像在浓雾中摸索前行，努力找到一种适合自己的生活方式。

And so I feel like we're groping our way through the fog and we're trying to live in a way that works for us.

因此，我们构建这些结构，设计这样的生活，希望它们不会失控，不会以某种方式偏离轨道。

So we create these structures and design these lives in the hope that it won't spin out of control and that we won't fall off the axis in some way.

但我认为，精神上也必须保持一种轻盈的态度。

But I think there has to also be this kind of lightness of spirit.

这有点像那个‘坚定信念但持之以松’的理念，如果我记得没错的话。

It's a bit like that whole idea of strong beliefs loosely held, or if I'm quoting it vaguely correctly.

你想要结构，想要组织，想要设计，但在某个时刻，你又必须能放手，否则你就会陷入愤怒和挫败感，因为世界和生活总在不断打破我们的预期。

It's like you want the structure, you want the organisation, you want the design, and yet in a moment you wanna be able to let go of it because otherwise you're going to be fighting this sense of anger and frustration because the world and life are just constantly defying our expectations.

对我来说，这实际上是我人生中必须不断努力应对的最大课题之一：当事情不如我所愿时，我所感受到的挫败。

For me, that's actually one of the biggest things that I have to work on in life is my frustration at things not working out the way I want them to.

即使我带着最好的意图出发，却还是搞砸了，事情没成功，我失败了，做了错事，伤害了别人，我想高效工作，却最终没能做到。

Even though I come in with the best intentions and then I screw up and it doesn't work out and I fail and I do the wrong thing and I upset someone and I wanna be super productive and then I fail to be.

也许我真正需要面对和修炼的，正是失败和不足时浮现出来的那种耐心，或是自我苛责的情绪。

It may be that the thing I'm getting the opportunity to work on is that, is that sense of patience or the sense of self flagellation or whatever that comes up when I fail and fall short.

我并不真的认为，尽可能高效、尽可能出名、尽可能打造我的个人品牌，就是最重要的。

I don't really know that being as productive as possible or as famous as possible or building my brand as much as possible.

我只是不认为这些是我最终真正关注的事情。

Just don't think those are the things that I'm really focused on ultimately.

我也必须调整我对所追求目标和生活设计的理解，以便意识到，也许当我没有和朋友进行周五的聚会时，尽管我知道这在很多方面都极具滋养和帮助，但那时没有它反而恰恰是最对我有益的，因为我正和妻子在一起，处理自己的挫败感、不耐烦和易怒情绪。

I also have to adapt my sense of what I'm optimizing for and what I'm designing my life for so that I can be aware that maybe that moment where I don't have my Friday meeting with my friends, even though I know that it's really nourishing and helpful on so many ways, that maybe not having it is precisely the most helpful thing for me at that moment because I'm with my wife instead dealing with my own frustration and impatience and irritability.

这些话有道理吗，斯蒂格？

Does any of that make sense, Stig?

斯蒂格，是的。

Stig Yeah.

我觉得这可能会被误解，因为我在想，你是不是其实也持同样的看法。

Think this might come across the wrong way because I wonder if you actually think the same way.

因为我就要说了，我觉得对你来说这很有道理。

Because I was about to say, I think it makes sense for you.

但每当我这么说，我自己听上去都觉得糟糕透顶，于是我想：不，不，不，这并不是我想表达的意思。

But whenever I say that, it sounds so terrible in my own head that I was like, No, no, no, no, that's not what I should.

因为我觉得这里面有一种讽刺意味，听起来好像是——请纠正我，如果我理解错了——我事事都极其有意识，但我其实认为一切都是随机的。

Because I think that there's an irony and it sounds like, and please correct me if I'm wrong, it sounds like I'm coming from a place where I am extremely intentional about everything, but I do think everything is random.

而你认为一切都是混乱，但这种混乱几乎是一种有设计的混乱。

Whereas you come from this, everything is chaos, but it's almost design chaos.

所以也许我们实际上想表达的是同一件事，只是从两个不同的角度出发。

So perhaps we actually mean the same thing, we just come at it from two different angles.

是的。

Yeah.

而且我认为，无论如何，我们的意识创造了我们的现实。

And I think anyway, our consciousness creates our reality.

所以，如果你只是认为一切都随机、混乱、痛苦不堪、分崩离析，那你就会找到支持这种观点的证据。

So if you just think it's all random and it's chaotic and it's hellish and it's all falling apart, then you find evidence for that.

而如果你带着这样的想法去经历：一切都在以一种奇特而美丽的方式展开，充满着巧合、同步性和学习机会，即使那些不如意的事情也是如此。

And if if you go through it thinking, it's all unfolding in this strange and beautiful way, full of synchronicities and coincidences and learning opportunities, even from the things that aren't going my way.

你也会找到大量支持这种观点的证据。

You find a lot of evidence for that as well.

我发现，当我以这种方式生活时，我的人生要快乐得多。

And I find that I find my life much happier when I live it that way.

在过去，我会认为，嗯，这有点幼稚。

And in in the old days, I would have thought, well, that's kind of puerile.

仅仅因为你希望它是某种样子，并不意味着它就是那样。

Just because you wanna believe that it's a certain way doesn't mean it's a certain way.

但实际上，我非常坚信这一点，比我坚信任何事情都要强烈，因为我总是倾向于看到相反的一面。

But, actually, I believe pretty strongly, as strongly as I can believe anything because I tend to always to see the opposite side as well.

我非常坚信，我们的意识正在创造我们的现实。

I believe pretty strongly that our consciousness is creating our reality.

所以，我记得有一次我和爱德·索普聊过，我问他：你相信上帝吗？

And so there's a I mean, I remember I remember once having this conversation with with Ed Thorpe, I asked him, do you believe in God?

他说：没有数据。

And he said, no data.

我记得当时觉得，这是一个非常聪明的回答。

And I remember thinking that's a really smart answer.

但从另一个角度来看，不批判爱德的观点却是极其愚蠢的，因为一切皆是数据。

But actually, from a different perspective, it's an incredibly stupid answer not to be critical of Ed because everything is data.

对于迈克尔·伯格这样你所熟知的人，或者像坎德拉这样非常开悟、境界很高的人，他们所看到的每一件事，每一样东西，都是造物主的光。

For Michael Berg who you know, or for Candela who are kind of these very enlightened, very elevated people, everything they look at, every single thing is the light of the creator.

所以，我的意思是，坎德拉不会用这样的说法，藏传佛教徒通常并不谈论这些事物的源头。

So they're well, I mean, Candela wouldn't put it in those terms, the Tibetan Buddhist, because they don't really talk about the source of these things.

但有一种感觉，认为所有这些显现、所有生起的事物、所有这些现象都是神圣的。

But there's a sense that all of these appearances, everything that's just arising, all of these phenomena are divine.

它们都是……我想，当你作为一个伟大的佛教修行者极度清醒时，世界就会变得非常鲜活。

They're all just There's something kind of I think when you're so awake as a great Buddhist practitioner, the world just is very vibrant.

这一切都是清晰的觉知。

It's all lucid awareness.

对吧？

Right?

这是一种对光明的觉知。

It's an awareness of light.

因此，他们不会说‘这是上帝’，因为他们不喜欢概念，这些概念会让我们脱离体验，而体验才具有有限的实用性。

And so they wouldn't say, Oh, this is God, because they don't like concepts, which knock us out of the experience of limited usefulness.

但我认为，实际的体验与迈克尔·伯克所经历的是一样的，那种感觉就像是在观看一场璀璨夺目的光影秀。

But I think the actual experience is the same experience that Michael Burke has, where it feels like you're just watching this sort of dazzling display of light.

因此，从某种角度来看，埃德完全是错的，一切只是数据。

So from a certain perspective, Ed is totally wrong and it's all data.

所以我不确定。

So I don't know.

我认为，在某种程度上，比尔·米勒所钟爱的实用主义哲学家们是对的，他们认为观念就像刀叉一样。

I think to some extent that the pragmatic philosophers that Bill Miller loves had it right where they would say, Ideas are like forks and knives.

你选择它们，是因为它们对你有用。

You pick them because they're useful to you.

对我来说，将一切视为学习经历的理念是正确的，即使那些让我感到不耐烦、沮丧、烦躁、愤怒或任何负面情绪的艰难时刻，也是磨炼我自身特质的机会。

And for me, the idea that everything is a learning experience, that even these difficult moments that make me impatient or upset or irritable or angry or whatever, are opportunities to work on those characteristics that I have.

因此，也许这些时刻实际上比事情如我所愿、感觉‘我拥有完美的日程，一切顺利，我规划得如此周到，如此平静，看啊，我拥有如此多的内心平和’的时刻更为重要和宝贵。

And so maybe actually it turns out to be a much more important and valuable moment or experience than having things go my way and feeling like, Oh, I've got this beautiful schedule and everything works out and I've planned it all so well and I'm so peaceful and look at me, I've got so much peace of mind.

就像我说，我不能欺骗自己，以为我真的拥有内心的平和。

It's like, I can't delude myself into thinking I have peace of mind.

我的大脑很多时候就像一个 hostile 的环境，我必须接受这个现实。

My mind's a hostile environment a lot of the time, and I have to live with that reality.

我认为对我们来说，诚实地面对这一点可能是有帮助的，因为我觉得在过去十年里，包括我自己在内，很多人都陷入了这种陷阱，沉迷于蒂姆·费里斯、休伯曼、乔什·韦茨金等人那种生活黑客式的观点。

And I think it's probably helpful for us to be honest about that because I think there was a period in the last decade where people kind of fell, including myself, people fell into this trap of becoming obsessed with the sort of the life hacking kind of views of the Tim Ferrisses and the Hubermans and the Josh Waitzkins and the like.

这些人都是了不起的人物，是让生活更美好、更高效的实际践行者。

These are all amazing people and amazing practitioners of things that make you better in life and more productive and the like.

但我认为，很容易开始苛责自己，然后想：‘这些人掌控力这么强，这么优秀，而我却这么糟糕。’

But I think it's very easy to start turning on yourself and then being like, But these guys are so in control and they're so good and I'm terrible.

当我采访克里斯·贝格时，我多少有这种感觉，我看到他比我平衡得多。

I feel that a little bit when I interview Chris Begg on the podcast and I can see, wow, he's got so much more balance than I have.

但想想看，我结婚三十五年了，妻子依然包容着我，我一路磕磕绊绊，写了好几本书，主持了一个播客，还编辑了几本杂志。

But it's like, here I am after thirty five years with the same lovely wife who still puts up with me And somehow I've muddled my way through and written a bunch of books and hosted a podcast and edited a couple of magazines and stuff.

我有两个可爱的儿子，他们只有大约三分之一的时间会对我感到厌烦。

I have two lovely kids who are only annoyed at me about a third of the time.

所以某种程度上，尽管我完全不完美，不断失败、犯错、跌跌撞撞，生活还是慢慢走出了自己的路。

And so in some way it's kind of worked out while being completely imperfect and failing and messing up and stumbling a lot of the time.

所以我认为，让我们明白像沃伦·巴菲特这样的人物，尽管他非凡卓越，但也犯过一些错误；查理也犯过一些错误，但他们后来变得更好了。

So I think it's helpful for us to have this understanding that people like Warren Buffett, much as he's this extraordinary figure has screwed up certain things, Charlie screwed up certain things, and they got better.

我认为这正是我们正在努力做的事情。

And I think that's what we are trying to do.

我去奥马哈参加最近一次股东大会时，就有这种感受。

Felt this when I went to Omaha for this last AGM.

我刚刚录制了一期庆祝沃伦的播客。

I've just recorded a podcast celebrating Warren.

我还没听过最终成果。

I haven't heard the results yet.

我们看看结果会怎样。

We'll see how it turns out.

但在股东大会问答环节快结束时，我的感觉是：沃伦尽管有诸多缺点，却已真正成为了一个极其崇高的形象。

But my sense towards the end of it, towards the end of the AGM, the q and a session was, oh, Warren has really become this remarkably elevated figure for all of his flaws.

他最终真的成为了奥马哈的智者，而以前他并不是。

He finally actually did become the Sage of Omaha, and he wasn't before.

这让我想起了西方著名的正念导师约瑟夫·戈德斯坦关于拉姆·达斯说过的一番话，拉姆·达斯是一位著名的灵性人物，写过《此刻此地》这类书。

And it reminded me of this thing that this great Western mindfulness teacher, Joseph Goldstein, had said about Ram Dass, who was a famous spiritual figure who wrote those books like Be Here Now.

当拉姆·达斯临终时，约瑟夫·戈德斯坦对他说——我从未见过他们中的任何一位，但约瑟夫·戈德斯坦说，他告诉拉姆·达斯：‘你终于成为了我们一直认为你应该是的样子。’

And when Ram Dass was dying, Joseph Goldstein said to him I've never met either of them, but Joseph Goldstein said that he told Ram Dass, You finally became what we always thought you were.

我觉得这正是沃伦身上发生的事。

And I feel like that's what's happened with Warren.

他终于成为了我们一直以为他应该是的样子。

It's like he finally became what we always thought he was.

他其实是一个充满缺陷的人，但我认为他最终成为了‘奥马哈的智者’。

He was actually a deeply flawed character who I think has kind of become the Sage of Omaha.

这也给了我希望。

So that gives me hope as well.

我们并不是在设计一种理想的生活，以便能完美高效、拥有完美的六块腹肌、平静的心灵和完美的家庭。

It's like we're not designing the optimal life so we can be perfectly productive and have the perfect six pack and the perfect peaceful mind and the perfect family.

而是说，我们本就是一团乱麻，困惑不已，会犯错，事情不会按计划进行，但我们依然坚持下去。

It's like, no, we're a hot mess, and we're confused, and we screw up, and things don't go to plan, and yet we persevere.

斯蒂格，太棒了。

Stig Wonderful.

威廉，我简直无法说得比这更好了。

William, I don't think I could say it any better myself.

我忍不住想说：追寻，你终将找到。

Feel tempted to say, Seeking, you shall find.

我知道我们会在第三部分更深入地讨论《放手》这本书，当我们聊到读过的书时，但我觉得自己经常思考确认偏误，而且想得比实际避免确认偏误还要多。

I know we're going to talk more about the book, Letting Go, in our third segment where we talk about books that we read, but it's sort of like I think a lot about confirmation bias, and I think more about it more than I do it well and avoid confirmation bias.

因为我觉得这本书的前半部分特别有意思，我原本以为自己在读一本灵性之书，但实际上却觉得它极其非灵性，反而印证了宇宙中缺乏灵性这一点，而从大卫·霍金斯的角度来看，这简直讽刺至极。

Because I find it remarkable, especially in the first part of the book, how I thought that I might be reading a spiritual book, but I actually felt it was incredibly non spiritual and it confirmed the lack of spirituality in the universe, which I count to be incredibly ironic coming in from David Hawkins.

但我也能明白，如果你带着不同的心态来读这本书，你会得出完全不同的结论。

But then I could also see that if you came into the book with a different mindset, you would come up with a completely different conclusion.

斯蒂格，我想把这件事做个总结。

Stig So I wanted to round this thing out.

嗯，关于生活设计，我有两点想说。

Well, had a two part about life design.

我们已经讨论了第一个子要点，然后我们讨论了各种方向，为此谢谢你，William。

We've gone through the first sub point and then we went in all kinds of directions, and thank you for that, William.

有件事我想提一下，我不想称之为某种方法，但它对我很有帮助。

One thing I just want to mention, and I don't want to what to call this, but it's something that's been helpful to me.

我想知道这是否是从你那里学到的，William。

I wonder if that's something I learned from you, William.

我从你那里学到了很多聪明的东西。

I've learned a lot of smart things from you.

Stig 你之前谈到过，每当你发现一个深刻的真理时，它几乎就像是身体里的一种感觉。

Stig You previously talked about how whenever you find a deep truth, it's almost like a feeling in your body.

我听你是这样描述的。

That's the way I've heard you describe it.

所以前几天我参加了一个电话会议，那次非常非常不寻常。

So I was on a call the other day and it was very, very unusual.

那是一个周六晚上7点，我从来没有在周六晚上7点接过电话。

Was a Saturday night at 7PM and I never have called Saturday night at 7PM.

这可能是我十年来第一次在周六晚上打电话。

It's probably the first Saturday night call I had in ten years or something like that.

有非常具体的原因。

There were very specific reasons.

因为那是你安排迪斯科舞会的时候。

Because that's when you schedule disco dancing.

没错。

Exactly.

我也是在那个时候去迪斯科舞厅。

That's whenever I go discos too.

斯蒂格，那是各种各样的事情。

Stig It was a myriad of different things.

这是由一位好朋友安排的，可能涉及一家公司的收购，而在西海岸，那时是早上十点。

It was something a good friend has set up and it might be about acquiring a company and on the West Coast it was ten in the morning.

这样做的原因有很多。

There are different reasons for that.

我在前三四天就感觉不舒服。

I felt three to four days before, I felt bad.

我对有这个安排感到不安。

I felt bad about having that.

我得说，这个电话本身没什么问题，但我感觉它与我的价值观严重不符。

And I should say, there's nothing wrong with the call, but I felt I was so misaligned with my values.

我几乎感到身体里有一阵寒颤，心里想着：这不对劲。

It was almost like there was a shiver going through my body and it was like, This is wrong.

这感觉不对。

It feels wrong.

Stig 我不知道该怎么解释这种感觉，除了周六晚上7点打电话对我来说就是不对的事。

Stig And I don't know what I can assign that to other than having a call at 7PM on a Saturday is just not the right thing for me.

那我为什么要讲这个随机的故事呢？

So why am I telling that random story?

我讲这个故事有两个原因。

I'm telling it for two different reasons.

我从生活设计的角度来谈这件事，之前我提到过一个非常严格的七点半六框架。

I'm talking about it from a life design perspective where I told about this very, very rigid seven thirty six framework before.

每当你决定在生活中对某些事情说‘是’时，无论是周五的这次特别通话——感谢你分享这些故事，威廉——我意识到，当某件事与身份紧密相关时，比如‘我是威廉，我每周五都有这个通话’，或者‘我从不接之后的电话，也绝不回复’，这种感觉非常强烈。

Whenever you decide to say yes to certain things in life, whether it's this special call on Friday, thank you for sharing those stories, William, I've realized that whenever something is very much tied to identity, I am William, I have this call on Fridays, or I am stuck, I never have calls after, and certainly never answer.

那里有一种非常强大的力量。

Was something very powerful there.

通常，完美是不存在的，没有人能一直做到，但你可以找到一种方式，为你所答应的事情系上一个漂亮的蝴蝶结，比如三十五比五十。

Very often, one's perfect, no one can do it all the time, but you find a way where you can tie a beautiful bow around thirty:fifty what you say yes to.

因此，在意识到我希望以某种方式生活之后，比如，每当我要开会时——这有点棘手，因为公司主要在美国，而我却在丹麦。

And so after I realized that I want to live my life a certain way, for example, whenever I have calls, which is kind of tricky because it's mainly a US based company even though I'm based in Denmark and so on.

时区是个不同的问题。

There are different things with the time zones.

于是你意识到，好吧，我需要在TIP内部建立一种强大且充满信任的文化，这样我就无需频繁与团队成员沟通，因为特定时间段内，你只想安排有限的会议。

Then you realized, okay, I need to create a culture in, in this case, TIP, that's so powerful and so full of trust that I don't needget to speak to people on the team because there are only so many calls you want to have at certain periods of time.

斯蒂格，前几天我与团队中的一位成员交谈时意识到，我可能会显得像你听过的最糟糕的公司领导者——我意识到，因为我们是一家小公司，只有20名全职员工，对吧？

Stig I realized that the other day, I was speaking with someone on the team and I realized, and I'm going to come off as the worst company leader that you ever heard of, I realized, because we are a small company, have 20 people in the company or full time, right?

他们是自由职业者等等，但这是一家非常小的公司。

They're freelancers and so on and so forth, but it's a very small company.

斯蒂格，我们聊了聊，我意识到上次和她聊天已经是两年半前了。她一直做得很好，非常出色，但就是有这种信任纽带，显然我只需要每两年半检查一次，但即使我这样做，她甚至比我上次和她聊天时还要更好。

Stig And we got to chat and I realized it was two and a half years ago since I last chatted with her, She's been doing a great job, a wonderful job, but there was this bond of trust where she would just Apparently, I need to check-in every two and a half years, but even when I do that, she's still even better than last time I chatted with her.

所以我的观点是，我不知道这从何而来，但这几乎就像——也许这就是你说的那样，威廉——但我可以最好地将其描述为你身体里的一种情绪。

So my point is that, and I don't know where that's coming from, but it's almost like, and perhaps that is what you're talking about, William, but it's almost like I can best describe it as an emotion you have in your body.

有时它是一种负面情绪，会给你某些指引。

Sometimes it's a negative emotion and it gives you certain directions.

它也可能是一种积极的情绪，并且每当你有这种情绪时，它也会给你某些方向。

It could also be a positive emotion, and it also gives you certain directions whenever you have that.

是的。

Yeah.

我在播客采访克里斯·贝格时和他讨论过这个问题。

I talked about this with Chris Begg on the podcast where I interviewed him.

他有种感觉——我可能会引用错他的话——但在某种意义上，真理是具身的，它是一种我们能感受到的具身体验。

He has a sense that I'll I'll misquote him, but in in a sense that truth is embodied, that it's a it's an embodied experience that we feel it.

我经常奇怪地在腿上感受到它。

I I often feel it in my in my legs weirdly.

阿诺德·范登伯格经常在他的右臂感受到它，右臂会开始发麻。

Arnold Van den Berg often feels it in his right arm, where his right arm will start to tingle.

这听起来有点傻，但我认为大脑和身体 presumably 以某种方式进化，能迅速给我们发出信号，而这些信号是我们没有机会深入思考和分析的。

It sounds kind of silly, but I think the brain and the body presumably evolved in ways that give us signals very quickly about things that we don't necessarily have a chance to think about in-depth and analyze.

所以我认为，部分在于去留意这些信号，并对它们保持敏感。

So I think part of it is tuning into that stuff and just being sensitive to it.

因此，回到我们之前关于自由式滑雪的比喻，我在生活中试图培养的，部分通过冥想，部分通过其他方式，实际上是让自己深度活在当下，这样如果出现不同类型的雪包，或者我的滑雪板被雪包卡住，我都能以某种方式改变方向。

And so mean, to go back to our analogy of freestyle skiing before, a lot of what I'm trying to cultivate in life, partly through meditation and partly through other stuff, is actually to be deeply present in the moment so that if a different type of mogul comes up or my ski gets caught on the mogul or whatever, I can change direction in some way.

我认为采访也是如此。

And I think this is the case with interviewing as well.

对吧？

Right?

比如，我在进行播客采访前，会做极其充分、近乎偏执的准备。

Like, am extremely prepared, obsessively prepared when I go in for an interview on the podcast.

但在我与克里斯·贝格的访谈中，我一开始确实打算问他关于他所说的‘派珀心态’——即持续的、渐进式的进步，不断重复。

But with something like my interview with Chris Begg, I had started and I really I really intended to ask him about this whole idea of what he calls the Piper mindset, which is perpetual incremental, or maybe it's persistent incremental progress, eternally repeated.

而就在那时，他刚迎来一个新生命，这个孩子出生于1月1日，恰巧是查理·芒格的生日，他给孩子取名为派珀。

And he had just had a new child who on January 1, Charlie Munger's birthday, who he had named Piper.

所以我原本打算从这里开始访谈。

So I was gonna start the interview there.

但随后解放日到来，市场开始暴跌。

And then liberation day comes and the market is tumbling.

我正和一位身处中美洲的朋友在播客中对话，而他面对市场的急剧下跌却显得异常平静。

I'm here on a podcast with my friend who's in Central America and looking incredibly calm as the market has been plunging.

于是我不得不改变方向。

And so I had to change direction.

我本不必改变，但我足够专注，他也足够专注，以至于我完全转变了话题。

I didn't have to, but I was present enough and he was present enough that I just totally changed direction.

于是，播客的前半部分完全变成了关于他在市场崩盘时的感受，以及他是如何保持如此平静、开放和自由的。

And the whole of the first part of the podcast became about what it's like for him in a market meltdown like that and how he manages to be so calm and so open and so free.

所以我认为，如果你能培养出深刻的在场感、平静与开放的心态，那么当各种情况发生时——无论是市场波动，还是像开车去错地方送妻子看医生时遇到的交通堵塞——你都能更从容地应对调整。

And so I think if you can cultivate a deep presence and a calm and an openness, then as circumstances unfold, whether it's in the markets or in life, like the traffic jam heading to the wrong place to take my wife to the doctor, You're just much more able to adjust.

尽管我对生活的方式以及对生活的规划，带有一种混乱和无序的特质。

So even though there's a kind of chaos and a lack of order to my approach to life and to my design of my life.

但我感觉自己一直在不断投资于培养这种深刻的在场感之类的能力。

I feel like I'm constantly investing in things like building that capacity for deep presence.

所以即使今天早上我搞砸了，没做冥想，也没做晨间连接，但我心里清楚，我会回到这些习惯中。

And so even though I screwed it up this morning and didn't do my meditation, didn't do my morning connection, they're like, I know that I'm coming back to that.

我做这些事的方式有一种不懈向前的势头，因此显得杂乱无章。

There's a sort of relentless forward motion to the way that I do this, so it's disorderly.

但总有一些持续的主题，我会不断回归，或是一些持续想培养的技能。

But there are these persistent themes that I keep coming back to or persistent skills that I keep trying to develop.

所以我确实认为，拥有某种指导原则、某种强烈而清晰的价值观至关重要。

So I do think it's kind of key to have some sort of guiding principle, some sort of overwhelming sense of what matters to you.

他们说，别人的草总是更绿。

Stig They say that the grass is always greener.

你如此专注，还能在不同方向间自如切换，这简直令人惊叹。

It's incredible how present you are and how you can go in different directions.

我非常喜欢你和克里斯·贝克做的那期节目。

I love the episode you did with Chris Beck.

除了我不害羞之外，文森特，让我印象最深的是你如何出色地完成了这次采访，还有他对自己生活方式的选择显得如此一致。

Think what stood out to me other than I'm not shy, Vincent, again, how wonderful you managed that interview, was how aligned he seemed to be with his choice of lifestyle.

我首先会说，这根本无关紧要，但我绝对是第一个承认，我无法过他那样的生活，我也怀疑你是否能做到，但这并不是重点。

I would be the first to say, not that it matters at all, but I would the first to say, I could not live the life he wants to live and I would be surprised if you could do the same, but that's not the point.

重点是他过着一种高度一致的生活，也许我对他的了解不够深，也许他经历过起起落落，最终在三五十岁时明白了自己真正想做什么。

The point is that he's living a very aligned life and perhaps I don't know him too well, perhaps it has come through some ups and downs and then he realized thirty:fifty what he wanted to do.

这让我想到了比尔·米勒，我们之前已经几次聊过他和他的生活。

It makes me think of Bill Miller, and we've talked about him and his life a few times.

当然，对所有人来说都是如此，但确实也经历过非常非常艰难的时刻。

And certainly, again, it comes for all of us, but there's certainly been some very, very challenging times.

我认为，相比其他人，或许和克里斯等人一起，近年来他们终于明白：如何与自己想要的生活方式保持一致，无论是不给自己的车加油，还是不装修自己的房子，或者其他任何事情。

And I think more than anyone and perhaps together with Chris and others, figured out very much in recent years, Oh, this is how to be aligned with the way I want to live my life now, whether that's not putting gas in your own car or not decorating your own house or whatever it might be.

我觉得，我不知道什么对别人来说是正确的，但每当你谈论克里斯或与克里斯、比尔交谈时，他们看起来都极其一致。

It's like, I don't know what is right for other people, but whenever you speak about Chris or with Chris and Bill, they seem incredibly aligned.

威廉，是的。

William Yeah.

还有皮科·艾耶尔，也许我们稍后会谈到他。

And Pico Iyer as well, who maybe we'll talk about a little later.

所以我想，是谁对我说过这句话来着？

And so I think Was it who said this to me?

我想实际上是皮科，他是一位了不起的作家，最近我们聊天时他跟我说过，我采访伟大投资者的方式非常独特，因为我关注的是对我个人而言极其重要的事情，而其他人不会关注同样的内容。

I think actually it was Pico who's an amazing author, said this to me recently when we were talking that my approach to interviewing the great investors, he had just reread Richer, Wiser, Happier, was deeply idiosyncratic because I was focusing on things that were really deeply personal to me and other people wouldn't be focusing on the same things.

所以我认为，如果你看这本书，它实际上讲的是如何生活。

So I think if you look at the book, the book is really about how to live.

它隐藏在所有关于如何投资的讨论之下，但本质上讲的是，有一种更深层的渴望：如何在财务上破解密码，从而获得完全的独立，让任何人都无法左右你，让你能以真实且与自我一致的方式生活，我想这正是我当时在挣扎的问题。

It's concealed within all this discussion of how to invest, but really it's about there's a deeper yearning there of how do you crack the code financially so that you can have total independence, so that nobody can tell you what to do, so that you can live in a way that's true and aligned to who you are, which I think is what I was wrestling with at the time.

我认为，这在某种程度上解释了为什么它能深深触动许多人。

And I think that's probably to some extent why it resonates deeply for a lot of people.

我认为这个播客在某种程度上是这一理念的延续。

I think the podcast in some way is a continuation of that.

现在我有了更多的自由，能够以更真实、更契合的方式生活。

And it's like, now I have much more independence and can live in a way that's more true and aligned in a way.

我在某种程度上不再那么顺从他人，也不那么依赖别人，但我真正想探索的是：如何在保持高效的同时，将幸福、内心的平静、喜悦与平和融入生活？

I'm less subordinate, less dependent on other people to some degree, but I'm really trying to figure out how do you build happiness and peace of mind and joy and equanimity into your life while still being really productive?

托尼·罗宾斯曾经对我说，问题不在于工作与生活的平衡，而在于工作与娱乐的融合。

Tony Robbins had said to me at one point that it's not about work life balance, it's about work play integration.

所以我在想，我该怎么拥有一个真正……或许他是对彼得·戴曼迪斯说的，而彼得又告诉了我，于是我归功于他，你知道吗？

So I'm like, how do I have a really Or maybe he had said it to Peter Diamandis, and Peter Diamandis said it to me, and I attribute you know?

但来源确实是托尼。

But but the source was Tony.

因此，这些关于构建契合人生、设计人生的话题之所以频繁出现在这么多播客节目中，正是因为我正在探索这些。

So, really, the fact that these discussions about building an aligned life and designing your life come up so much in so many of these podcast episodes is because that's what I'm exploring.

就像我们今天讨论的，这里存在一种张力：究竟该让生活自由到什么程度？

It's like how there's a tension here that we're discussing today about, like, how free flowing should it be?

你应该有多灵活？

How flexible should you be?

你应该有多适应？

How adaptable should you be?

你应该有多有条理？

How structured should you be?

几年前，我们陷入了这样一种幻觉或错觉：只要你足够有条理、足够努力、做足了生活优化，就一定能成功。

A few years ago, I think we fell into the illusion or the delusion that if you just were structured enough and drove yourself hard enough and did enough life hacking, then you'll make it.

如果你没成功，那是因为你没有应用这些已经被别人发现的规则。

If you don't make it, it's because you are failing to apply these rules that these people have figured out.

不，不，这招不管用。

It's like, No, no, that didn't work.

因此，你需要以更高的层次来玩这个游戏。

And so then it requires a higher level of playing the game.

更高的层次意味着，你感受到它来自像丹尼尔·戈尔曼、索康仁波切、皮可·艾耶、迈克尔·伯克这样的人，他们境界更高。

The higher level becomes You sense that it comes from people like Daniel Goleman, Sokhni Rinpoche, Piko Iyer, Michael Burke, they're just more elevated.

他们发现了更多东西。

They figured out more stuff.

所以游戏还在继续。

And so the game continues.

我们正在进行的这种探索，本质上是在早期发展阶段的探索：我们如何获得独立，不再依赖他人，如何拥有更多时间和自由等等。

This exploration that we're going through is really an exploration of at an earlier stage of development, it's like, how do we get independent so that we're not having to cow tired to anyone and how to have more time and more freedom and the like.

然后它变成了：我如何变得更快乐？

And then it becomes, how do I become more joyful?

接着是：我如何更好地帮助他人？

And then it's like, how do I serve other people better?

我如何提升他人？

How do I lift up other people?

所以这个游戏变得越来越精细，更深入。

So the game just keeps getting more nuanced, think.

也许这听起来像一种价值判断，但在某种意义上，它确实更高级了。

And maybe it sounds more of a value judgment, but in some sense it is more elevated.

你看到那些真正快乐的人，他们的快乐并不是因为金钱。

You see these people who are really joyful and it's not because of money.

于是你开始想，天啊，我怎样才能获得更多这样的快乐？

And you start to be like, God, how do I get more of that?

我该怎么才能意识到，我们一直以来都在玩金钱游戏，以为金钱、自我控制或自律就能带来这一切。

How do I so I think we've kind of been playing the money game a lot, thinking that the money or the self control or the self discipline would do it.

当你听像皮科、克里斯·贝格、迈克尔·伯格或索克内这样的人说话时，你会越来越感觉到：不，这些根本行不通。

There's an increasing sense, I think, when you listen to people like Pico or Chris Begg or Michael Berg or Sokne, that it's like, No, no, that's not gonna do it.

所以像服务他人、帮助别人、更忠于自己、更友善、更有爱心、在生活中留出更多空间、更多时间、更多自由——不仅仅是时间，更是要更加清醒，能觉察自己在做什么，而不是盲目地狂奔。

So things like serving others, helping other people, being more true to yourself, being kinder, being more loving, having more open space in your life, more time, more free Not just time, but actually being more awake so that you can notice what you're doing rather than just be sort of blindly sprinting.

所以我认为，这正是我们当前探索中正在发生的一点变化。

So I think that's a little bit what's going on at the moment in our explorations.

斯蒂格，这话说得太好了。

Stig That's wonderful put.

我正想说，多睡觉才能更清醒，我字面意思就是：我知道如果我睡得多，我就处于一个很好的状态。

I was just about to say how to sleep more so you can be more awake, but I more or less mean that literally in the sense of, I know I'm in a good space if I sleep a lot.

总之，这本身就是一个独立的话题。

Anyways, it's sort of like a topic in itself.

你当然可能做得过头，但我觉得我以前的情况是，我偶尔会和一位高管教练交谈，她问我怎么知道自己状态良好。

You can certainly overdo it, but I think where I came from, I have an executive coach I speak to once in a while, and she asked me how I know I'm in a good state.

我说，那就是当我睡得好时。

And I said, It's whenever I sleep well.

我并不是说非要睡十二个小时之类的时间。

And I'm not talking necessarily about sleeping twelve hours or anything like that.

那可能不太现实，但如果我能持续睡八个小时，有时甚至能睡八个半小时，并且一直保持这样。

That's probably not But if I consistently sleep eight hours, sometimes I can even do eight and a half, And I do that consistently.

那就是我知道自己状态良好的时候。

That's whenever I know I'm in a good state.

如果我有——通常总是和某种关系有关。

If I have And it's usually always something to do with a relationship.

如果一段关系不好，我立刻就能从睡眠质量上感觉到。

If there's a relationship that's not good, I can feel it immediately in terms of how I sleep.

是的。

Yeah.

这里面有很多内容。

There's a lot there.

说实话，我研究过一些睡眠知识，因为我曾作为 ghostwriter 参与撰写一本成为畅销书的书，需要采访一些名人关于睡眠、营养等话题，而这些我却没能应用到自己的生活中。

Mean, I've studied sleep a bit because I worked on a book as a ghostwriter that was a number one bestseller where I had to interview famous people about sleep and nutrition and all of these things that I failed to apply in my own life.

我认为这些观点是正确且有道理的，你确实应该掌握这些原则。

And I think this stuff is true and right and you wanna master these principles.

但同时，你可能会开始过度崇拜它们，从而失去了它们的本意。

At the same time, I think you can start to worship them and you sort of lose the spirit of them.

我对一些关于睡眠的说法持一定程度的怀疑态度。

I I I just I'm somewhat skeptical about some of the sleep stuff.

很明显，每个人需要的睡眠时间是不同的。

It's like, you know, it's clear that we need different amounts.

我从不设闹钟，但基本上每天都在同一时间醒来。

I don't set my alarm or anything, and I pretty much wake up at the same time.

而这部分正是写《为什么我们要睡觉》的那位作者，马修·沃克？

And partly this is what was the guy who wrote Why We Sleep, Matthew Walker?

是的。

Yeah.

所以我曾经采访过他，向他询问了我奇怪的睡眠习惯。

So I had interviewed him, and I asked him about my weird sleep habits.

他说：不，听起来还挺正常的。

He was like, no, sounds sounds sort of okay.

比如我有时会在下午小睡一会儿，但从来不会超过七分钟。

It's like I take a nap sometimes in the afternoon, it's never more than like seven minutes.

我不设闹钟。

I don't set the alarm.

我不确定。

I I don't know.

我觉得，很容易陷入一种幻觉，认为只要我睡够八小时，只要投入这么多精力，只要在选股时翻遍所有可能的选项，一切就会变得完美。

I think I think it's really easy to fall into this delusion that if I just get my eight hours and if I just invest this amount and if I just turn over this many rocks in picking stocks, it's all gonna be good.

然后你不断追逐，不断追逐，不断追逐。

And then you chase and you chase and you chase.

当幸福和内心的平静依然遥不可及时，这真的让人沮丧。

And then when happiness and peace of mind still eludes you, it's really depressing.

然后你会想，如果我当时跑得再快一点，睡得再多一点，房间温度再理想一点，情况就会好得多。

And then you're like, if I had only run a bit faster and slept a bit more and had the ideal temperature in my room, it would have been that much better.

是啊，没错，67度可能确实比71度好一点。

It's like, yeah, yeah, it's probably better to have it 67 degrees or whatever than 71.

没错。

Like, yes.

但你看沃伦在年会上说过，查理和我平时其实很少锻炼。

But look Warren who said at the annual meeting, Charlie and I never really exercised much.

我们只是在小心地保全自己。

Were carefully preserving ourselves.

而他们已经活到了99岁和94岁。

And it's like, they've made it to 9994.

而快乐并热爱自己的工作，我认为在很大程度上促成了长寿。

And being happy and loving their work, I think probably has contributed a great deal to longevity.

所以我认为，鉴于我根本算不上健康专家，你可以忽略我说的话中的60%、90%或者更多。

So I think given that I'm anything but a health guru, you can discount 60% or 90% or whatever of what I say.

但我认为这里有一个相当重要的观点：不要陷入一种幻觉，以为只要把所有这类生活优化技巧都做到极致，幸福就会到来。

But I think there's something kind of important here about don't fall into the delusion of thinking that if we just nail all of this sort of life hacking optimization stuff, then happiness will come.

不，不是这样的。

It's like, no.

当我观察那些最快乐、内心最平静的人时，他们往往是那些乐于分享、非常善良、懂得感恩、从事自己真正热爱且能服务他人工作的人。

When I look at the people who are happiest and have most peace of mind, they tend to be people who are very sharing, very kind, very appreciative, doing work that they really love and that serves other people.

我只是觉得，人们太容易迷恋这些工具和方法，并假设它们能拯救我们、救赎我们，但实际上它们并不能。

I just think I think it's too easy to sort of fall in love with these tools and techniques and assume that they're gonna rescue and save us and redeem us, and it's like they don't do it.

斯蒂格，不。

Stig No.

如果我能用一句话来概括，哪怕这可能有点困难，我会说，关键在于保持一致。

And if I can sort of take it down to one line, if that's even possible, I would say it's about being aligned.

一切都回归到保持一致。

It all comes back to being aligned.

所以每当我们看像巴菲特、芒格这样的人时，他们只是非常一致。

So whenever we look at very people like Buffett, people like Munger, they're just very aligned.

正如你所说，我不认为存在一个只要完成这些步骤就能通往极乐的公式。

To your point, I don't think that there is a recipe of as long as you check these boxes, that's the path to nirvana.

另一件事让我想到接下来关于生活设计的观点，我觉得这完全没用，因为我们现在只是在打勾。

Then another thing takes me to the next point here about life design, which I feel is completely useless because now we're checking off different boxes.

不管怎样，这场对话的讽刺之处就在这里，但我想稍微换个话题，现在提到威廉，我甚至有点不好意思，因为我们刚刚谈了保持一致和打勾。

Anyways, that's the irony of this conversation, but I wanted to shift gears here a bit and almost feel bad about it now that William, that we talked about being aligned, checking off boxes.

今年我尝试了一件新事情，我在笔记中写道：我努力有意识地减少有意识的控制，这听起来在这个语境下完全荒谬，但我认为，根据你人生所处的阶段，你确实需要优化不同的东西。

I've tried something new this year and I've typed up here in my notes that I try to be intentional about being less intentional, which sounds completely thirty:fifty ridiculous in this context I think that there is also something to be said about you want to optimize for different things depending on where you are in life.

当我们听到某种生活方式时，不仅可能不适合你，因为你天生就不同，也可能是因为那个人正处于人生的不同阶段。

And whenever we hear about a certain way of living your life, not only might it not be right for you because you just wired differently, it might also be that that person is just in a different state of their life.

斯蒂格：我最近也思考过这一点。

Stig So I thought about that recently.

今年我尝试了一些新的做法，我在笔记中写到，我妻子在某些年份会非常有意识地做某些事情，而我则感觉时间对我来说是一年一年自然流逝的。

I was trying something new this year and I typed up here that my wife is very intentional about doing certain things in certain years, whereas I kind of feel like time flows more for me from one year to the next.

然后我想，这真是个荒谬至极的例子。

And then I'm like, that's such a ridiculous thirty:fifty example

因为我们刚才和威廉交谈时已经说明了，我非常非常有条理。

because we just illustrated here speaking with William, I'm super, super structured.

可我现在又说，我其实没那么有条理。

Here I am saying, I'm actually not that structured.

所以当我继续往下讲时，我想用的比喻是：如果你身处一栋楼的80层，往下看另一栋楼，一栋在7层，另一栋在11层，看起来它们似乎高度差不多。

So the metaphor I probably want to use here as I go on to the next point is, perhaps it's one of those things, if you are on the 80th Floor of a building and you look down at a different building, one is at the 7th Floor and the other one is the 11th, that looks like they were very much leveled.

但如果你在第9层，你就能清楚地看出7层和11层之间的差异。

Whereas if you're on the 9th Floor, you can certainly tell the difference between the 7th Floor and the 11th Floor.

所以我不确定。

So I don't know.

也许我和我妻子其实都很有意识。

It might be both that my wife and I are very intentional.

我不知道。

I don't know.

但今年我正在尝试一些新的东西，我想和观众分享一个框架。

But I'm trying something new this year and it's a framework I wanted to share with the audience.

也许有些东西可以借鉴，也许这完全荒谬。

Then perhaps there's something to be cloned or perhaps it's just completely ridiculous.

我们看看吧。

Let's see.

所以，我过去经常旅行，但2025年因为各种原因，我想减少旅行。

Stig So I used to travel quite a bit, but here in 2025 for different reasons, I want to travel less.

我可能会在九月来伦敦待四天，和你，威廉，还有你的朋友们一起参加大师班，但除此之外，我计划待在丹麦奥胡斯。

I would probably do four days here in London, September to hang out with you, William, and some of your friends with the masterclass, but other than that, I plan to stay here in Aarhus, Denmark.

在我二十多岁的时候，我想去旅行。

In my 20s, I wanted to travel.

我一直想旅行，但在二十多岁时，我主要是为了打卡不同的景点。

I always wanted to travel, but in my 20s, I very much did it to check out different sites.

我会去巴黎，拍一张埃菲尔铁塔的照片。

I would go to Paris and get my photo of the Eiffel Tower.

然后我就想，好了，打个勾，现在我有埃菲尔铁塔的照片了。

Then I was like, Oh, check mark, now I have a photo of the Eiffel Tower.

这就是我二十多岁时旅行的方式，我一点也不后悔那段时光。

So that was very much how I traveled in my 20s and I don't regret that period at all.

那真的很有趣，完全是另一种方式——上下铺、青年旅舍、意大利面、番茄酱，所有那些美好的东西。

Was a lot of fun, Very different way, it was bunk beds and hostels and pasta and ketchup and all that good stuff.

到了三十多岁，我旅行是为了与有趣的人共度时光，当你能和同一个人长时间深入交谈，并连续多日如此时，总会发生一些美妙的事情。

In my 30s, I traveled to spend time with interesting people and there's something beautiful happening whenever you can really speak for a long time with the same person and do that for consecutive days.

即使有了如今所有的数字技术和视频通话，这依然非常有用，也十分美好。

Even with all this digital technology and Zoom calls and all that stuff, it's absolutely used and it's wonderful.

连续多日进行一场漫长对话的体验，是现代科技无法替代的。

There's something about continuing a very long conversation for multiple days that just can't be replaced with modern technology.

所以今年我想做些不同的事情。

So I wanted to do something different this year.

我想这部分也与我可能变得更加自在有关。

I think part of it also has to do with probably becoming a bit more comfortable.

还是同一个机场。

It's the same airports.

酒店不一定相同，但尽管我非常享受与精彩人物的深入交谈，有时旅行带来的压力实在太大了。

It's not necessarily the same hotels, but as much as I love interesting conversations with wonderful people, sometimes it's just too much stress with all the traveling and so on.

所以今年我尝试了一些新的做法，我想看看是否能把世界带到我的家门口。

So I tried something new this year and I wanted to see if I could bring the world here to my doorstep.

所以我今年尝试了一些新的东西。

So I tried something new.

我对精英社群，还有你，威廉，说过，如果有人想来看我，就发条信息给我，我们聚一聚。

I've said to the mastermind community, also to your masterclass, William, that if anyone wants to visit me, just send me a text and let's hang out.

我深受启发，这其实是我过去几年一直在实践的事情，现在我只是想以一种不同的方式来做，而灵感来自汉斯·罗斯林的《事实》这本书。

I really got inspired and this is actually something I practiced for a few years and now I'm trying to do it in a different way, but it was from this book, Factfulness, by Hans Rosling.

这是一本本身就很出色的书。

It was this wonderful book in its own right.

他和比尔及梅琳达·盖茨一起被邀请去不同地方，然后就和他们进行那些有趣的对话。

He got invited different places with Bill and Melinda Gates, and then he would just have those interesting conversations with them.

对我来说，这是一个非常有趣的框架。

To me, was just a very interesting framework.

我知道比尔和梅琳达·盖茨资源丰富，能做我们其他人做不到的事，但这个想法是：哦，这是一个有趣的三十比五十的人。

I know Bill and Melinda Gates have a lot of means and can do other things than the rest of us, but this idea of, Oh, this is an interesting thirty:fifty person.

现在我要

Now I'm going

邀请这个人，然后真正地继续面对面的交流。

to invite this person, and then continue that in person really.

所以我尝试过这样做，邀请不同的人来我这里，有时他们答应，经常他们拒绝，这完全没关系。

So this was something that I've tried doing, inviting different people here and sometimes they say yes, all the time they say no, and that's completely fine.

有时候日程安排就是对不上，就这样吧。

Sometimes calendars just don't align and sort of like it is what it is.

所以对我来说，斯蒂格，像我这么有意识的人，实际上我觉得这相当无意识，至少对我而言是这样，我觉得我是在为很多人开放我的日程。

So Stig to me, being as intentional as I am, I actually feel this is quite unintentional, at least it is for me, where I feel like I'm opening up my calendar for a lot of people.