132 飞行伙伴——与布兰登一起

本集是在达鲁格人的土地上录制的。

This episode was recorded on the country of the Dharug people.

我向过去的和现在的长者致以敬意。

I pay my respects to elders past and present.

我承认他们与土地、水域、鸟类以及所有生命持续不断的联系。

I recognize their ongoing connection to land, waters, birds, and all living things.

欢迎来到周末观鸟者。

Welcome to Weekend Birder.

我是凯尔西·科斯塔，这里是我们一起观察鸟类的地方。

I'm Kirsty Costa, and this is a place where we notice birds together.

我经常收到像你这样的周末观鸟者听众的来信，最近，他们要求更多关于观鸟者可用的不同技术的节目。

I regularly hear from Weekend Birder listeners like you, and recently, they've been requesting more episodes about different technology that is out there for bird watchers.

因此，我邀请了布兰登·查普曼来到节目中。

So I've invited Brandon Chapman on the show.

布兰登是Wingmate应用的创始人，这款应用融合了游戏和野外指南的功能，目标是观察你所在地区的每一种鸟类。

Brandon is the founder of Wingmate, an app that's part game, part field guide, and with the goal of seeing every bird species in your region.

这是布兰登故事的开端。

Here is how Brandon's story started.

我个人的旅程始于大约十岁，但其实起源于我的祖父，他热爱观鸟，而他的观鸟生涯始于他在南非寄宿学校的时候。

My personal journey started around 10 years old, but it actually started with my my grandfather who was who loved birding and actually began when he was in boarding school in South Africa.

他和一位名叫沃里克的同学经常花上一整天的时间，悄悄靠近鸟儿的隐蔽处，试图在长焦相机出现之前捕捉到筑巢的鸟类。

He and his friend, a fellow student called Warwick, they used to spend, I think, days moving bird bird hides closer to birds, trying to capture nesting birds before telephoto cameras existed.

事实上，有一位校长鼓励了他，还送给了我的祖父他的第一本野外指南。

And, yeah, I was actually encouraged by one of their headmasters who was a who actually gifted my grandfather his first field guide.

从那以后，他们的热情一直延续下去。

Their passion kind of continued after that.

沃里克后来成为南非最受尊敬的观鸟者之一，也是蜻蜓领域的权威专家。

Warwick went on to actually become one of South Africa's most respected bird watchers and a leading authority on dragonflies.

这段早期的友谊建立在对野生动物的共同热爱之上，点燃了一种持久的热情，并最终在我们家族中代代相传。

That early friendship was built around the shared love of wildlife and sparked a lot a lifelong passion that would eventually be passed down through our family.

是的。

Yeah.

所以是我妈妈带我开始的。

So my mother actually introduced me.

我一直都喜欢鸟类，但我觉得我真正开始观鸟是在十岁左右，那时我有了第一份生命清单，也开始拍照了。

I was always I always loved birds, but I think I kind of viewed myself as starting bird watching at around 10 years old when I got my first life list and also started taking some photos.

是的，从那以后，一切就成了历史。

Yeah, since then the rest is history.

我染上了观鸟的瘾。

I kind of caught the bird watching bug.

我已在世界各地观察过1300多种鸟类。

I've seen over 1,300 birds over the world.

我和我妈妈在寒暑假期间经常去观鸟旅行。

Myself, my mother used to take bird watching trips during school holidays.

她是一名教师，所以我们那段时间的假期安排是一致的。

She was a teacher, so we kind of had the same availability over that time.

我们会进行为期一周的露营旅行，跑遍澳大利亚的各个角落，追逐新的鸟种。

And, yeah, we would do week long camping trips to all corners of Australia chasing lifers.

而且，那些确实是我的一些最珍贵的时刻。

And, yeah, those definitely some of my most cherished moments.

所以我一直很感激自己能拥有这样的联系。

So I'm I'm always thankful that I was able to have that connection.

我很喜欢布兰登的祖父是他开始观鸟的原因。

I love that Brandon's grandfather is the reason that he's birdwatching.

布兰登将他对观鸟的热爱与他的软件工程背景结合起来，做了一些非常有趣的事情。

Brandon has taken his love of birdwatching and combined it with his training in software engineering to do something really interesting.

我一直对电脑感兴趣，所以我知道自己将来一定会从事与IT相关的工作。

I was always interested in computers, so I was I always knew I was gonna do something IT related.

我一直热衷于鸟类，但我不希望它变成我的……我不知道它是否会成为我的全职事业。

I was always passionate about birds, but I didn't really want it to become my well, I didn't know whether it'd become my full time career.

然后我去了一趟新西兰。

Then I went on a trip to New Zealand.

我抵达那里。

I I landed there.

我准备好去探索中土世界了。

I was ready to explore Middle Earth.

作为一名观鸟者，我希望在旅途中能轻松地开始观察鸟类。

As as a bird watcher, I wanted a way to easily start engaging with birds while on my trip.

于是我下载了一些应用程序，发现没有一个能真正满足我的需求。

So I downloaded some of the apps, and I found that none of them could really do what I wanted.

这让我花了一整天时间到处寻找书店、联系书商，开车穿越全城，最终终于找到一家能提供我旅行所需野外指南的小书店。

This this led me to actually spending the day chasing down bookshops, calling book suppliers, driving across town to actually I finally found a small bookstore that could actually provide a field guide for my trip.

是的，这非常不实用，还占用了我们那辆小租车的大量空间。

And, yeah, it was quite impractical and took up a lot of the space in the small rental car we had.

我想，如果连一个不太热衷的人都要经历这么多麻烦才能参与这项爱好，那这实在不该这么难。

I thought, look, it shouldn't be this hard if someone who isn't very committed might not want to jump through all these hoops to engage in the hobby.

所以我试着想象我希望在世界上看到和使用的东西。

So I try to imagine what I wanted to use and see in the world.

于是，我把一次户外冒险变成了收集途中遇到的每一种动物的使命，就像现实中的宝可梦。

So, yeah, I started turning an outdoor adventure into a a quest to collect every animal you encounter, like living Pokemon.

但你不仅仅是在路过鸟类时瞥一眼，而是可以真正捕捉它们并加入你的收藏，让每一次徒步都变成一场游戏，每个生物都像是等待被成就的目标。

But instead of just passing passing by birds, you could actually capture them and add them to your collection, turning every hike into a game where every creature is kind of an achievement waiting to happen.

我知道全球有许多户外爱好者和父母可能面临类似的挑战。

I know there's lots of outdoor enthusiasts and parents worldwide that face probably similar challenges.

他们或许注意到自己或孩子对野生动物有着未被发掘的兴趣，却缺乏轻松参与的工具。

They maybe notice their child or themselves have a unexplored interest in wildlife but lack the tools to easily engage with it.

所以，这就是我创建Wingmate的原因。

So, yeah, that's why I created Wingmate.

我希望打造一个直观便携的解决方案，将好奇心转化为引人入胜的活动。

I wanted a intuitive portable solution that could transform curiosity into an engaging activity.

我邀请了我的观鸟朋友罗温一起参与，是的，我们一直自筹资金，打造我们真正想看到和使用的东西。

I brought my bird watching friend Rowan along and, yeah, I think we've just been self funded and building what we want to see and use.

布兰登并不是第一个提到观鸟像宝可梦的WeekendBirder嘉宾。

Brandon's not the first WeekendBirder guest to mention that birdwatching is like Pokemon.

这是因为观鸟将大自然变成了一场巨大的互动游戏。

It's because birdwatching turns nature into a giant interactive game.

就像玩家在《精灵宝可梦》中完成图鉴一样，观鸟者通常会记录自己识别过的所有物种清单。

Just as players fill out a Pokedex in Pokemon, birdwatchers often maintain a life list of every species they've ever identified.

这两种爱好都涉及前往特定栖息地、研究外形特征和鸣叫声，并融入一个社群。

Both hobbies involve traveling to specific habitats, studying body features and calls, and being part of a community.

布兰登说，观鸟激发了与《精灵宝可梦》相似的发现乐趣和收集成就感。

Brandon says that birdwatching taps into that same thrill of discovery and the cataloging that is really similar to Pokemon.

在《精灵宝可梦》中，我认为最重要的是能够解锁你遇到的每一种生物。

With Pokemon, I think, a lot of it is actually firstly being able to kind of unlock all the species you come across.

它共享一种类似的心理现象：人们一旦开始收集，就会有强烈的冲动想要完成整套。

It shares a similar cognitive phenomenon where people feel compelled to, like, finish sets once they've started.

所以，是的，这不仅仅是拥有物品的问题。

So, yeah, it's not just about owning items.

而是获得完成一套收藏后的满足感。

It's about actually achieving the satisfaction of, like, finishing a set.

如果你仔细观察观鸟的动机，总的来说，它实际上源于四个主要元素：成就、保护、欣赏和社会互动。

If you actually look at the the motivations for bird watching and in general, it's actually inspired by kind of four main elements, which is achievement, conservation, appreciation, and social.

我认为这两者显然都触及了人类完成收藏和竞争的欲望，无论是宝可梦还是观鸟。

I think both of these obviously, Pokemon and birdwatching tap into our human desire to complete collections and compete.

但我觉得观鸟非常特别的一点是，它能够平衡这种竞争动力与实际保护和欣赏的方面。

But I think what makes birdwatching very special is that it's able to balance this competitive drive with the actual conservation and appreciation aspects.

因此，它不仅仅是变得痴迷，而是变得有目的性，并真正建立起对野生动物的真实联系和欣赏。

So instead of just becoming obsessive, it actually becomes purposeful and actually creates a genuine connection and appreciation for wildlife.

我喜欢观鸟的众多原因之一是，每个人都可以选择以适合自己的方式去做这件事。

One of the many things that I love about bird watching is that everyone has the choice to do it differently in a way that suits them.

你可能会享受观鸟带来的放松感，因此喜欢悠闲地观察鸟类而不给自己太大压力，或者你可能喜欢竞争的刺激感，享受给自己设定挑战的乐趣。

You might enjoy the relaxation it brings and therefore like to notice birds slowly and without too much pressure, or you might like the thrill of the competition, the fun of setting yourself challenges.

布兰登的话提醒我们，只要将鸟类的福祉放在首要位置，就没有对错之分。

What Brandon said reminds us is that there is no right way or wrong way as long as the welfare of birds is kept at the top of the priority list.

最初，布兰登决定将精力集中在新西兰的鸟类上。

Initially, Brandon decided to focus his energies on the birds of New Zealand.

他想解决自己在那里度假时遇到的这个问题。

He wanted to solve that issue that he experienced when he was there on holiday.

我认为新西兰是一个规模较小的地区，最初可观察的鸟类种类也较少。

New Zealand, I think, was a smaller location with with a lot less bird species to start off with.

所以我们只是想先把它做好，把模式理顺，然后再转向更大的鸟类数据集，把它当作一个最小可行产品，之后再扩展到澳大利亚，我们对那里更熟悉一些。

So I think we just wanted to try and get it right, kinda get the format going right, and then actually move to a a lot larger bird dataset, kind of use it as a like an MVP and then transfer it over to Australia, which we have a bit more knowledge of.

试图绘制如此多鸟类的分布图，这确实是一个雄心勃勃的项目。

Look, it's quite an ambitious project trying to map out so many birds.

我想，当你开始开发一款旨在教人们认识鸟类的应用时，很快就会意识到我们对这些物种的科学认知其实一直在不断演变。

I guess kinda when you start creating an app that's trying teach people about birds, you quickly realize that our scientific understanding of these species is kinda constantly evolving.

我们仍在不断细分物种，不断发现原本以为是一种鸟的，实际上是三个不同的种群。

We're still busy splitting out species, still discovering what we thought was one bird is actually three distinct populations.

而且，是的，鸟类的分类体系本身始终是动态变化的。

And, yeah, the taxonomy itself is always alive and changing.

我认为，要真正理解鸟类，不能只学习野外识别特征和鸣叫。

I I think to truly understand birds, you can't also just learn about field marks and cores.

你必须理解整个生态系统，而这显然是一个人无法完全掌握的。

You have to understand entire ecosystems, something obviously no one person can.

但你确实需要了解植物的开花周期、昆虫的羽化规律以及食物来源的季节性变化。

But, yeah, like, you have to know flowering cycles, insect emergent patterns, seasonal availability of food sources.

此外，还有许多鸟类会跨越国界，成为更大生命网络的一部分。

Plus, there's just so many birds that actually just cross international borders and are just part of such a larger web of life.

你知道吗，开发这款应用让我学会了谦逊。

You know, I think what building this app has taught me is humility.

每当我以为自己理解了一种鸟类时，总会发现还有另一层关系、依赖或联系是我之前未曾考虑到的。

I think every time I think I understand a species, I discover there's another layer, another relationship, dependency, connection that I hadn't considered before.

鸟类不仅仅是美丽的生物，供我们识别和打勾列清单。

Birds aren't just beautiful creatures that we identify and, tick off lists.

它们是更大无国界生态系统中不可或缺的一部分。

They're, yeah, pieces to such a larger ecosystem that doesn't have borders.

在研究澳大利亚鸟类的过程中，布兰登说他爱上了冠羽鸟。

During this research of Australian birds, Brandon says that he fell in love with the Comb Crested Jicana.

它是一种相当

It's a quite

一种看起来很小的湿地鸟类。

a small looking, wetland bird.

它实际上有一种非常有趣的能力。

It it actually is has a very interesting ability.

它真的能在水面上行走。

It actually walks on water.

它能够踩在水面上的漂浮植被上行走。

It's able to actually kind of walk on the floating vegetation on top of water.

所以如果你在远处看到有东西在水面上行走，那很可能是一只冠羽鸡鸠。

So if you're at a distance and you see something walking on water, it's most likely a Cone crested checana.

它还拥有漂亮的红色冠羽，脖子上有黄色，眼睛下方有一道泪滴状斑纹，我觉得这非常出色。

It's got a beautiful red comb as well as yellow on its neck and a teardrop coming down from the eye, which I find an awesome addition.

我觉得这些鸟最引人入胜的是，雌鸟和雄鸟的外观差异非常明显。

What I find so intriguing about these birds is, obviously, the the the females are very different to the males.

在大多数物种中，雄鸟通常体型更大、颜色更鲜艳。

In most species, males are normally larger and have more color.

但对于完全成熟的彩冠秧鸡，雌性实际上更大。

But, yeah, for full camgrestracheconas, the females are actually larger.

雄性负责全部的孵卵和育雏，而雌性则保卫领地。

The males also do all the incubating and and chick rearing while female defends territory.

我也很喜欢这一点：在繁殖季节，如果你运气好的话，可能会看到它们背后伸出的小腿，这是因为雄性会把雏鸟藏在翅膀下面。

I also love the fact that you'll often you might see, if you're lucky, during breeding season, you might see little legs sticking out from the back of one of them and that's because the males actually tuck the chicks underneath their wings.

看着这些小翅膀和小腿从爸爸身上垂下来，而他正努力带着它们安全撤离，真是可爱。

And it's a cute little thing seeing these little wings, legs dangling out from dad as he tries to carry them to safety.

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得它们还让我联想到一些家庭关系。

I think there's also a little bit of a familial connection to them.

我的祖父的朋友沃里克，他的论文就是研究非洲秧鸡的，所以是跨洋的研究。

Warwick, my grandfather's friend, actually did his his thesis on the African jacana, so across the pond.

帕雷赫也是研究鸟蛋和鸟巢的专家，这其实是我对非洲秧鸡和彩冠秧鸡最喜爱的部分之一——它们的蛋。

Parekh's also an expert on eggs and nests, and this is actually one of my favorite parts about the African and the Concreseed jacana is their their eggs.

非常壮观。

Very stunning.

它们有着大理石般的深棕色外观，上面有旋涡状的黑色纹路，在我看来简直令人惊叹。

They've got this marble dark brown look with swirling black lines, which is just incredible in my opinion.

它们更常见于亚热带地区。

They occur kind of more in subtropical conditions.

因此，你会在新南威尔士州北部开始发现它们，并一直延伸到凯恩斯、铁山脉，在北领地也能找到大量它们的身影。

So you'll start to find them, Northern New South Wales, and then it continues all the way up through Cairns, Iron Ranges, and you'll find quite a lot of them in the Northern Territory as well.

所以，如果你在达尔文或凯恩斯附近旅行，只要遇到任何湿地，很可能就能看到它们。

So, yeah, if you're traveling around Darwin or on your Cairns, likely with any wetland with Yep.

植被茂密、表面有大量植物的湿地，你很可能会看到它们。

Vegetation, quite a bit of, surface vegetation, you're likely to see them.

你很可能在较远的地方就看到它们。

You'll likely see them quite far away.

它们通常出现在湿地的较远处。

They're normally quite far out on the wetlands.

但如果你幸运地能近距离看到它们，你会发现它们其实很小。

But, if if you're lucky enough to see them quite close, you'll see that they are pretty small.

大概就像一种脚和脚趾特别长的鸊鷉，那就是它们的样子。

Probably like, if you can think of a grebe with very long legs and very long toes, that's that's kind of what what they go got going for them.

那款带冠的奇卡诺羽毛装饰是马克·安德森设计的。

That comb crested chicano cording was by Mark Anderson.

多棒的鸟啊。

What a cool bird.

布兰登说，Wingmate 应用还在开发中，但已经具备了一些非常棒的功能。

Brandon says that the Wingmate app is a work in progress, but it already has some really good features.

Wingmate 的目标是成为观鸟界的宝可梦。

Wingmate aims to be a Pokemon bot for for bird watching.

我们的目标是为人们提供一切所需，帮助他们真正开始与周围的野生动物互动。

We aim to try and get people everything they need to actually start engaging with with the wildlife around them.

我们提供野外指南、识别工具、不同地点信息，以及在这些地点能观察到的鸟类的关键概要。

So field guides, we have identification tools, we have different locations, as well as key summaries of birds you can see at those locations.

Wingmate 的出色之处在于，任何人都能轻松上手，开始收集并真正参与到整个观鸟活动中。

What makes Wingmate fantastic is its ability for anyone to kind of pick it up and actually just start collecting and start engaging with the entirety of of bird watching.

所以，是的，我认为我们通过现有的工具赋予了人们这种能力。

So, yeah, I I think we kind of give people the ability to do that with the tools we have.

我们当然还集成了人工智能识别功能。

We've obviously also got AI identification.

如果你完全迷失方向，不知道从何开始，只需上传一张照片，系统就会提供一系列可能的鸟类示例，同时通过阅读描述，帮助你从宏观角度理解你周围或澳大利亚整体的鸟类，从而轻松识别它们。

So if you're completely lost and don't know where to start, you can just upload a photo and give an lists of examples of of what it could be as well as actually, yeah, reading through the descriptions, actually trying to understand from a a macro perspective all the birds around you or in Australia in general and, yeah, easily kind of see and identify those birds as well.

如果有人认识对鸟类感兴趣的人，比如有孩子的父母、户外爱好者或旅行者，是的。

If anyone is knows someone who's curious about birds, parents with kids, outdoor enthusiasts, travelers, Yeah.

我认为 WingMate 的设计初衷就是让观鸟变得更容易接触。

I think WingMate's designed specifically to make bird watching accessible.

很多其他应用程序都需要你具备一定的先验知识才能开始使用。

So I I think a lot of app other apps, you have to have prior knowledge to actually start engaging with it.

我认为我们提供的是更广泛的视角。

I think we kind of give that that broader view.

所以，我认为它非常适合这类受众。

So, I I think it's perfect for that kind of audience.

这是一个明显增长的趋势，我认为在2025年，Z世代中这一趋势规模相当大。

This is a trend that that is obviously increased, and I think it's it's quite large at the moment among Gen z in 2025.

手机使用平均每天约为七点五小时。

Mobile phone usage averages around seven point five hours per day.

所以，我认为Wingmate的目标是真正贴近年轻人的生活，鼓励他们在数字体验与自然连接之间取得平衡。

So I think what what Wingmate aims to do is actually tries to meet young people where they are, encouraging a balance between digital and and natural connections.

我们希望通过提供内置的野外指南、附近的热门观鸟点等工具，来提升人们对鸟类和生物多样性的参与度。

I think we aim to translate that into higher engagements with birds and biodiversity by, yeah, providing tools like our built in field guides, like our hotspots that are close by to users.

实际上，我们希望Wingmate所促进的这段亲近自然的时间，能够成为推动更大范围保护行动的催化剂。

And actually, as a result, we're hoping that this time spent in nature that Wingmate facilitates can actually act as a catalyst for greater conservation engagement.

是的。

Yeah.

我们希望为年轻人提供工具，帮助他们从小建立对自然的欣赏。

We wanna provide young people with the tools to build appreciation early.

如果人们只是想开始使用，Wingmate已在App Store和Google Play上线，无论是在后院观鸟、散步还是自驾游，都可以开始记录你看到的鸟类物种。

If people, yeah, just wanna start, WingMed's available on the App Store, on Google Play, any backyard bird or any walk, road trip, start adding species to your collection.

和许多观鸟者一样，布兰登也是一位热情的环保主义者，他希望确保Wingmate能对世界产生积极影响。

Like many bird watchers, Brandon is also a passionate conservationist, and he wants to ensure that Wingmate is having a positive impact in the world.

我们已经记录了超过两万次鸟类 sightings，以支持公民科学项目。

We've obviously recorded over 20,000 bird sightings, to help kind of support citizen science.

是的。

Yeah.

我认为CSIRO指出，澳大利亚所有鸟类图鉴中超过一半的记录都来自公民科学数据。

I think CSIRO noted that that over half of the records over all Australian atlases are from citizen science.

因此，这确实有助于监测这些物种的迁徙动态并了解它们的分布情况。

So it really does help to kind of monitor these species movements and understand their distribution.

我们还承诺将一部分利润捐赠给环保事业，支持野生动物及其栖息地保护。

We've also committed to giving a percentage of our profits to environmental causes, supporting wildlife and and habitats.

因此，我希望这一切都能对环境和鸟类生存产生积极影响。

So I I'm hoping that obviously all has a positive impact on on the environment and bird life.

如果你代表任何环保组织、学校或保护团体，并且正在寻找合作伙伴，或者只是想聊聊，我们始终在寻求合作。

If you represent any environmental organizations, schools, or conservation groups, and you're you're looking for partnerships or, yeah, wanna have a chat, we're we're always looking for partnerships.

所以 definitely，一定要联系我们。

So definitely, yeah, reach out.

如果你曾经创办过小企业，甚至创立过自己的数字初创公司，你就知道要投入多少汗水才能把它做起来。

If you've ever started a small business before or even founded your own digital startup, you know how many sweat hours go into creating it.

布兰登说，观鸟是他即使在生意最忙碌、最具挑战性的时刻依然坚持下去的动力。

Brandon says that it's birdwatching that keeps him going even in the most busiest and most challenging times in his business.

观鸟迫使你放慢脚步，真正地活在当下，观察周围的世界。

Birdwatching forces you to slow down and actually be present and actually observe the world around you.

如果你一直陷在自己的思绪里，只听自己的想法，而不与外界互动，你几乎不可能看到任何东西。

Often if you're stuck in your head listening just to your thoughts and actually not engaged, you're not very likely to see anything.

所以我认为，成为一个优秀观鸟者的一个表现，就是能够安静下来，放下内心的杂念，真正专注于周围的世界。

So I I think it's kind of a symptom of actually being a good bird watcher is being able to kinda quiet quiet your inner thoughts and actually focus on on the world around you.

我认为，第二点是观鸟带我去到的地方。

I think, secondly, the places bird watching takes me.

世界各地有如此多的本地鸟类，比如乌恩加拉吸蜜鸟。

It's there's so many localized birds all across the world, like, for example, the the ungala honeyeater.

我在这次旅行中看到了它。

I saw this trip.

它只生活在麦凯以西一小片雨林山区。

It it only occurs on a small group of rainforest mountains just West of Mackay.

而且，要看到它，你真的需要融入这个小型的微生态系统。

And, yeah, to seed, you actually have to engage in this little micro ecosystem.

而且，从雨林到沙漠再到高山，类似这样的例子还有很多。

And there's, yeah, there's just so many examples of those exactly like that from rainforest to deserts to alpines.

你基本上得去所有地方才能看到它们，这让你永远有新的地方可以探索，总能发现新东西。

You basically have to go everywhere to see them and it makes you never run out of places to explore and actually see something new.

我认为第三点是，总有一些东西可以观察。

I think thirdly, there's also always something to observe.

即使你没找到目标物种，也总有一些东西能让你保持兴趣。

If you're not finding the exact species you want or you're targeting, there's always something to keep you entertained.

也许是在散步时，一只灰扇尾鹟为你跳了一支小舞，或者你学会了新的鸟鸣，又或者只是观察鸟类如何与环境甚至彼此互动。

Maybe it's a a gray fantail giving you a a little dance on your walk or maybe it's learning a new a call or maybe it's just watching how birds interact with their environment or even each other.

即使是一个缓慢的观鸟日，也胜过我们许多其他活动。

Even a a slow birding day can beat a lot a lot of our other activities.

最后，这还是一种追求。

Lastly, it's it's the pursuit as well.

前往这些偏远地点，却没看到鸟，第二天再试，换地方，最终就在你离开前，你终于看到了。

Going to these kind of remote locations, not seeing birds, trying the next day, moving spots, And then finally you see it just before you leave.

我认为，当你最终看到那只鸟时，你为它付出的所有努力都得到了回报。

I think all that effort you put into seeing the bird has kind of paid off when you finally get to see it.

我一直觉得，如果太容易了，就不会有任何乐趣。

I've always thought if it was very easy, it wouldn't be any fun.

我认为，正是穿越恶劣环境、早起、前往偏远地点的挑战，让我觉得这一切如此有回报，也如此吸引我。

I think it's also kind of the the challenge of of trekking through harsh conditions, early mornings, remote locations that makes it so rewarding and also intriguing to me personally.

即使你已经看过本地或花园里所有的鸟，你总能拍出更好的照片。

And, yeah, even if you've seen all the birds in your local area or garden, you can always get a better photo.

在我的一生中，我也发现自己在不同阶段会专注于不同的方面。

I've also found throughout my life, there's been different aspects which I engage more with.

以前，我主要把追寻鸟类作为首要动机。

Previously, I was more focused on primarily on the pursuit of birds as a primary motivation.

不过现在，我其实更享受去这些新环境，聆听不同地方的晨间鸟鸣。

But, yeah, now I'm actually enjoying more about going to these new environments and just listening to different morning choruses in different locations.

当然，别误会我的意思。

And, yeah, don't get me wrong.

我依然绝对热爱这种追寻的过程。

I I still absolutely love the pursuit.

但是，没错，我一直在重新定义我所理解的观鸟活动。

But, yeah, I'm constantly changing what I define as birdwatching.

听布兰登讲述让我真正欣赏的是，他提醒我们热爱鸟类和自然的方式是如此多样。

What I really appreciated about listening to Brandon was the reminder that loving birds and nature comes in so many forms.

能在我们的生活中拥有这样的爱好是一件非常特别的事情。

It's such a special thing to have in our lives.

我鼓励你们去使用Wingmate，也去社交媒体上支持布兰登。

I encourage you to check out Wingmate and also go and support Brandon on social media.

我们必须支持我们的社区成员。

We gotta get behind our community members.

所有链接都在节目说明中，如果你打开这集并展开描述就能看到。

All the links are in the show notes if you open the episode and expand out the description.

同时，如果你的App允许，别忘了点星星给五颗星评分，留下一些好评总是很受欢迎的。

And while you're there, tap on the stars to leave a five star rating, and a few nice words is always appreciated if your app lets you leave a review.

在我最近的休假期间，我有机会阅读了大家的每一条评论，这让我心里无比开心。

I got a chance to read everyone's comments during my recent break, and it made my heart so happy.

非常感谢你们的支持。

Thanks so much for your support.

在下一期节目中，我们将欢迎格兰迪亚·克莱里重返节目，谈谈鸟类为什么歌唱。

In the next episode, we are welcoming Grandia Cleary back on the show to talk about why birds sing.

这一定会很有趣。

It's gonna be fun.

很快再和你聊。

Speak to you again soon.