WRC幕后故事：安德里亚·亚当奥

叫司机。

Call the driver.

叫司机。

Call the driver.

什么？

What?

我做得没错。

I did it properly.

我跟你说，这可不是开玩笑。

And I tell you, it was not a joke.

他们都担心传动轴没装好，整个过程都提心吊胆。

They were scared all the loop that the drive shaft was not properly fixed.

或者

Or the

当一切顺利结束时，你一定觉得特别得意吧。

You must have felt so smug at the end of the loop when it was fine.

我当时在等，你知道的，你有

I was waiting at the you know, you have

你当时也有点担心吗？

Were you were were you a little bit worried as well?

总是如此，先生。

Always, sir.

但你知道，你不能，好的一面是，我有时候会表现出表面平静或类似的样子。

But, you know, but you cannot your the good thing is I'm sometimes I'm I I face I I surface or things like this.

我内心其实更镇定一些。

I pretend to be calmer inside.

我有点担心，但我什么也没说，等车子完成环形赛道回来后，我当然告诉了他们我的想法。

I'm a bit worried, but I say nothing and I I I told them what I was thinking when the car was back after the loop, of course.

是的。

Yeah.

之前我假装镇定，但后来他们开始问你：你有没有关好这个？

Before I was pretending to be calm, but then they because they start to ask you, but did you close this?

你做了这个吗？

Did you did this?

他们说，我本该做的。

And they say, I should have done.

是的。

Yes.

当然了。

For so sure.

但是你把夹子夹上了吗？

But did you close the clip?

是的。

Yeah.

当然了。

For sure.

你确定吗？

Are you sure?

是的，我是。

Yes, I am

然后，回到之前的话题，其实并没有做什么特别大的事情，但那是一所规模巨大的学校，因为我一生都很幸运，能和那些认为胜利是唯一选择的人共事，这培养了我赢的思维。但至少，有时这也成了我的问题——当我们稍微落后时，身体上也会承受压力，我记得每逢周日晚上，如果我们没赢，就会胃痛，内心充满巨大的压力，因为我成长的环境里，虽然我没加入过很多队伍，但每支队伍都秉持着赢的思维：你必须赢，没有其他选择，不是说我们去打一场看看会发生什么，午餐时我必须赢，Alpha也必须赢，每次我们都必须赢。

and then was it, but so to go back, no, didn't made any big big thing, but it was a huge huge huge school, because I was lucky enough all my life to work with people that consider win the only option and this gives you the winning mentality and at least also maybe sometimes the problem that I suffered when we were losing a bit also physically, I remember big stomach ache in the evening, the Sunday evening, if we were not winning, the big big stress in me, because I grew up in any I didn't add many teams, but in any team with the mentality, the winning mentality, you have to win and stop, there are no options, it's not let's go to rally and see what's going to happen, lunch I had to win, alpha had to win, every time we had to win.

我记得我的老板曾经说过：‘在这里，我们必须赢，不管你得做什么，我们都要赢。’

I remember my boss once said here we have to win, I don't care what you have to do, we have to win.

哇，这压力真大！

Wow, that's serious pressure!

我那时25岁、27岁、26岁、28岁、29岁，到30岁时，我发现自己要领导大约80个人。你知道，当你30岁，要领导那些经验丰富的员工时，很容易陷入被他们左右的境地，所以我必须比原来加倍努力，因为你必须赢得尊重，而人们尊重你，并不是因为你大喊大叫，而是因为你做决定。

I was 25, 27, 26, 28, 29 years old and when I was 30 years old I found myself leading basically 80 people and you know, when you have 30 years old and you have to lead the experienced people like this, it's easy to be a bit in the middle of three by them, so I have to be twice as hard as I was really, because you have to be respected and people respect you, not because you shout, but you decide.

我注意到，如果你做决定，人们就会尊重你。

I I noticed that people respect you if you decide.

如果你犹豫不决、优柔寡断，人们不会一夜之间尊重你。

If you do not decide and you've wander around, people will not respect you overnight.

所以，我一生中总是做出决定。

So I always took decisions in my life.

但听起来你从小就做出了决定，因为12岁的时候

But it sounds like you were a decision maker early on in your life because at 12

有时候我自己就是那个做决定的人。

Sometimes I was one of myself.

你决定要成为一名赛车工程师。

You made the decision I want to be a race car engineer.

你成为了那位工程师，但在你担任这个角色的时候，内心是否在想：接下来该做什么？

You became that engineer, but then in your mind while you were doing that role, were you thinking, right.

好吧。

Okay.

接下来该做什么？

What's what's next?

因为我肯定可以一辈子做这份工作。

Because I could do this for the rest of my life, I'm sure.

但在我看来，你是个有担当的人，而且显然，我们知道你已经攀升到了最高层级。

But you strike me as a man, and, obviously, we know that you you stepped up to the the highest echelon.

但你职业生涯中，是在什么时候你一边做工程，一边开始想其实我想要更多？

But when was the point in your career where 're engineering and you're thinking actually I want more?

我从未

I never

决定要更多。

decided to have more.

我找到了我的‘不’。

I found my No.

不。

No.

人们以为我计划成为的是赛车工程师和设计师，但其实我从没打算只当一名赛车工程师。因为在1997和1998年，我曾有机会成为阿尔法罗密欧厂队的赛车工程师，但我拒绝了，因为我只想设计汽车，不想当赛车工程师。我也很清楚自己想要什么。

I am people think that I was planning to be what I I was planning to be race car engineer and designer, not a race car engineer of race car engineer, because in 1998 and 1997 I've been offered the possibility to be a race car engineer of the works Alfaro male team and I denied, because I want to design cars, don't want to be race car engineer and so I also know what to what I

想成为什么。

want to be

作为一名赛车工程师，而不仅仅是一名赛车工程师，因为在我看来，你必须在人生中做出明确的决定，清楚知道自己想要什么。当你说到‘我喜欢去那里做这件事’，但怎么做呢？

as a race engineer, not just a race car engineer, because in my opinion you have to be decided in your life, you have to know what you want clearly, when you say, I like to go there to do this, but how?

什么？

What?

哪种方式？

In which way?

你知道，这就是我说的。

You know, this is what I I say.

如果你想赢，如果你想，你就必须清楚地知道该走哪条路。

If you want to win, if you want, you have to know exactly in the way you have to go there.

这不是随便去试试看。

It's not let's go and see.

所以对我来说，我想成为一名赛车工程师。

So it's why for me, I was I wanted to be race car engineer.

我想设计赛车，这就是我做所有必要事情的原因。

I want to design race cars and this why I did all what is needed.

我在赛道一侧担任赛车工程师，因为我明白，只有这样我才能更好地理解如何打造一辆快车、如何轻松地维护赛车、如何理解车手的话以及类似的事情，了解其他人正在做什么。

I was a race car engineer on the track side because I knew it was needed to let me understand better what is needed to have a fast car, to work on the car easily, to understand the driver words and things like this, to understand what the others are doing.

顺便说一下，当我担任领导时，我积累了丰富的经验，这非常有用，因为最终我了解了赛车工程师的需求、机械师的需求，还有许多其他方面的需求；我也知道，当有人向我提出要求时，我能判断这是合理的、明智的请求，还只是一种虚张声势，对吧？

And then incidentally, I found myself with a wide experience that was very useful when I was leading because at the end, when I need I knew the needs of the race car engineer, I knew the needs of mechanic, I knew the needs of many other things, and also I knew that when someone was asking me something, I was able to understand if it was a fair request and a smart request or if it was just a a bluff, no?

一种阻止流程的方式，对吧？

A way to stop the process, no?

所以是的。

So Yeah.

问题是，有时候我处理这些事情的方式有点过于严厉。

The problem is that sometimes I was cutting these things in a bit harsh way.

如果现在回头看看，我本可以更友善一些，你说呢？

I could have now looking back, I could have been nice You?

在

At the

时候。

time.

严厉？

Harsh?

不。

No.

我知道。

I know.

随机地。

Randomly.

一年两次。

Twice a year.

但你知道，就像这样，给你另一个例子，以身作则。

But, you know, just like this to give you another example and to to lead by example.

2016年，我们去测试了第一辆现代F5。

In 2016, we went to test the first Hyundai f five.

嗯。

Mhmm.

那并不算成功，做得非常仓促，等等等等。

That was not really a success, was done very rash, etcetera, etcetera.

但我们做了第一次柏油路面测试，底盘已经做出来了，咱们直奔主题吧，别绕弯子，否则就用耳朵听了。

But we did the first tarmac test, the chassis was made, let's say, let's go to the point, let's avoid the shades, if not with the ears.

是的，这很酷，也许我会这么说。

Yes, it's cool, maybe I say.

这辆车做得并不好，当凯文·厄文第一次在柏油路上刹车时，需要很大的压力，而之前我们只在碎石路上测试过。测试工作量很大，整个踏板总成都脱落了，因为衬套焊接得不牢固，等等等等。

The car is not, was not very well done and the first time that Kevin Evering was braking on tarmac, so when big pressure was needed before we just tested on gravel, testing was a big work, the full pedal box went away because the bushes were not properly welded, etcetera, etcetera.

当车回到维修区时，另一边的机械师说，我们必须回家，因为根本没法修。

And when the car was back at the service, the mechanic, the other side, we have to go back home because it's impossible to fix.

于是我跟他们说，我看了看，然后说：好吧，你们先退开。

Then I say to them, I look at it, I say, okay, remove yourself.

我穿上一件T恤，顺便说一下，周围还有照片，我让那个人把焊机、工具和一些铝箔纸拿过来，等等。

I put on a t shirt, there are there are pictures around, by the way, I ask the guy to pull out the the welding machine, the tools and some sheet foil, etcetera.

我弯腰、切割，等等等等，两个半小时后，虽然不是顶级技工的活儿，但我修好了车，重新装上了踏板总成，告诉机械师们装上轮胎，然后说：你们以后肯定会偷懒，但你们必须更努力，提升自己的水平。

I bend, I cut, etcetera, etcetera, in two hours and half, it was not a top fabricator job, but I fixed back the car, I bolt on the pedal box, I told the mechanics put the tires and I told them, for sure, you will cheat me in the future but you have to work harder so raise your level.

哦，机械师们对这件事反应如何？

Oh, how did that go down with the mechanics?

首先，那张照片到处都是，我想在赛车运动中到处都能看到，但我觉得那是赢得尊重的方式。

First of all, the picture was around I think all around you in the motorsport etc etc but I think that was the way to be respected.

好的。

Okay.

因为你知道，有时候你也得适应环境，适应自己的处境，我认为最好的方式不是强迫他们去做，说‘现在你们试着修一下’，那样只会引发冲突， blah blah blah。

Because you know sometimes you also have to adapt yourself to the ambient, to the way you are, you know, and I thought that the best way was not to force them to do it and say, now you try to repair because would have been just a clash, blah blah blah.

你知道，如果你不想做某事，而有人逼你，你就会把系统搞垮。

You know, if you don't want to do something and someone push you, you just break the system.

是的。

Yeah.

所以我让他们走开。

So I say, okay, move away.

我亲自动手。

I do.

之后，你就得适应这个水平，不是因为我有多厉害，而是因为我们从不放弃。

And then after, that's the level that you have to adapt, not because I'm good, because we just never surrender.

是的。

Yeah.

这就是我们的方法。

This is the approach.

然后，有个人告诉我：‘如果他出问题，你要承担责任？’ 我19岁独自在图灵生活时就已经在承担责任了，别以为这能吓到我。

And then, of course, one guy told me, you take the responsibility if he has a problem, say, I was taking responsibility when I was 19 years old living alone in Turing, so don't think this is gonna scare me.

告诉我你是怎么开始为现代工作的？这件事是怎么发生的？

Tell me how you started working for Hyundai, how did that come across?

这件事是顺其自然发生的。基本上，是在本田之后，我在2013年就出现了健康问题，不得不接受治疗——当时我轻微中风，至今脑内仍有出血，必须长期服药。2014年之后，我决定彻底告别这种生活，算了，不干了。于是我短暂地为公路车工作了三个月，然后彻底决定收手。当我下定决心‘算了’，想过一种平静的生活，不再碰赛车时，米歇尔·南丹和另一位先生联系了我。当时现代正在启动客户赛车项目，当然，你从不会拒绝任何邀请。于是我搭飞机过去，进行了一场很长的会谈。我记得我们开了好多次会，来了很多人，包括李先生、几位韩国核心人员、HR经理米歇尔等等。

That come across in a nice way because basically it was after Honda I was I had already a health problem in 2013, I had to go through therapy, basically I was having a small lictus and I had the blood, I still have by the way a blood in my brain and I have to take medicines for it, then after 2014 I decided that I should have to stop this kind of life and Basta and then I worked a bit for a road car for three months then I decided it was a finish and when I decided Basta, now I do something very calm, I don't want motorsport no more, I was called by Michel Nandan and the guy, they had to have a chat in Hyundai because they were starting a customer racing thing and of course you never say no to any invitation and things like this, but I went up, I took the plane, I went up, it was quite a long meeting, I remember we had many meeting, many people, there were Mr.

李先生，几位韩国核心人员在场，还有米歇尔，那位人力资源经理，诸如此类的人。

Lim, key one Korean guys there, there were Michelle, the HR manager, things like this.

所以我们聊得非常好，整整四个小时。

So we we we had a good talk about four hours.

四个半小时，他们带我看了所有东西。

Four hours and a half, show me everything.

我们聊了很多关于我做过的事情。

We spoke a lot about what I did.

我给他们讲一些故事。

I tell them stories.

而且，你知道，这并不是像

And, you know, it wasn't like a

我现在能理解为什么这场对话持续了四个小时，如果你一直在讲故事的话？

I can I can understand why it was a four hour conversation now if you were telling stories?

但确实如此。

But yeah.

但你知道，这是我人生中最轻松的一次面试，因为我去的时候根本没打算开始工作

But, you know, it was the easiest interview of my life because I went up with no wish to to start to work

那里。

there.

也没有任何期待。

And no expectation.

但因为我确实说我不想当场工作，但去这样的地方看看也很不错。

But because I I say I don't want to work on the spot, but I it's nice to go and see like this.

那么，他们是怎么了解到你的？如果有人给他们反馈过，那确实是这样。

So how would they how would they come across you had they been given feedback from someone it was yeah.

但有人跟他们说你需要安德里亚或唐吗？

But did someone say to them you need Andrea or Don?

没有。

No.

没有。

No.

我不认为他们……

I don't think they

不需要，世界很小。

need It's a small it's a small world.

我知道。

I know.

在其他候选人之间。

Between other candidates.

他们也努力联系我，因为他们知道我已经不再和Alpha合作了，诸如此类的事情。

They fought also to to call me because they knew I stopped with Alpha and things like this.

我很容易就在那里和米歇尔、贝尔纳一起吃了午饭。

I had lunch there easily with Michelle and Bertrand.

说实话，我最不希望的就是来

And really, it was the least of my wish to come

工作。

and work.

我以前和米歇尔共事过。

Worked with Michelle before.

当然。

Of course.

是的，是的，是的。

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

我们认识很多年了，因为当我还在雅培公司时，曾连续三年担任国际汽联制造商委员会主席，我想我当时是史上最年轻的主席。

We met since years, because I when I was also the president of the Manufacturer Commission for FIA three years in a row when I was in Abbott, I was the youngest I think.

我不知道他们怎么还能信任我，但有时回顾过去，我自己都怀疑，人们怎么会信任这样的我？不过算了，回到正题，当然，四个小时的会谈结束后，人力资源经理作为HR，像HR那样行事，在门口碰杯时告诉我：你知道吗，这个职位有很多候选人，要几个月才能决定。我则说：是的，别担心，别担心，我不在乎，我也不想。

I don't know how they can trust me, but sometimes I question myself now looking at my past, I say I don't know how people could have trust this, but okay, anyhow, going back to the point and of course after four hour end up, the HR manager, being an HR manager and behave like an HR manager, when we exchange cheers at the doors told me you know we have many candidates for this position, it will take some months to decide, then myself said yeah don't worry, don't worry, don't care, don't want to

再也不想做这件事了。

do this no more.

这大概是最理想的心态了，不是吗？

That's probably the best frame of mind to be in, isn't it?

当你，当你，你那种

When you you you kind

人生的状态。

of my life.

你没有任何期待。

You you don't have expectation.

你并不需要这份工作。

You don't need the job.

这会很棒，但你对这件事显得很随意轻松。

It would be great, but you're kind of free and easy about it.

真的很不真实，因为我从不假装成别人。

Real unreal, because I never pretend to be someone.

我百分之二百地做自己，你知道的，经历起起落落，一切的一切，对了，那是星期三。

I was reading myself 200%, you know, with my ups and downs, everything, and yeah, was Wednesday.

星期一早上，我接到了来自德国的电话，是同一个人打来的，他告诉我，我们看过照片了，我说，好吧，几天后，他们决定保持距离，没问题。

Monday morning, I got a phone call from Germany, from the very same man, and told me, you know, we had a photo, I said, okay, days, so they decided to stay away, no problem.

你下周一开始在这里工作会有问题吗？

Is it a problem for you to start next Monday working here?

我告诉他，你不是说过要花两个月才能决定吗？

And I told him, aren't you the one who told me that it would have taken two months to decide?

但我们认为你就是最合适的人选。

But we thought we think you are the the one.

并不是紧接着的那个星期一，而是两周后我才开始在那里工作，我告诉你，这彻底改变了我的人生，因为我之前虽然在国外工作过，但从未像在君德那样。

It was not the Monday after, but it was after two weeks that I started up there and I tell you also it was a game changer in my life because I worked already before abroad but not like I did in Junde.

在Junde，我基本上住在德国，因为那里需要我全天候在岗。当我刚去那里时，我一辈子都记得跟姐姐说，今天我离开意大利，我会在那里待三年，马尔西布，这会是一段美好的经历，三年后我就回来。但结果我待了八年，事情的发展完全超出了我任何可能的想象——我一开始参与的是F5项目，后来我们启动了TCR赛车项目。

In Junde basically I lived in Germany because the way was needed, my presence there was twenty four seven and when I went up there I remember all my life telling my sister leaving Italy this day I will be there three years Marxibou, it will be a nice experience three years but in three years I'm back eight years and the story was much different than any possible way I could have imagined because I started with the F5 then we started with the TCR for the racing project.

我记得当有人告诉我我们也该做TCR时，我们正处在一团糟中，抱歉，当时在空 fighter 里，他们问我：‘这怎么做得了？’但就像以前一样，我第一个对自己说：别找借口了，得规划好，把它做成，别给自己找任何借口。我正是这么做的，我第一个联系的TCR负责人是加布里埃拉·塔基尼，他来了。

I remember when I have been told that we should have done also the TCR, we were in the such in the shit, sorry, in the airfighter, they say how can I do it and then as before is I'm the first one telling myself you have to do stop excuses how to plan and make it happen finish so don't excuse yourself for anything and I was doing exactly the same and the first person I called for TCR was Gabriela Takwini and he came up

你这是在炫耀人脉吗？

Name dropper?

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得我跟他相处的时间比跟任何女朋友、父母等都多，诸如此类。

I think I spent more time with him than any girlfriend of parents, etcetera, etcetera.

但不管怎样，我们非常幸运，能与三家制造商合作，并且分别与这三家制造商都赢得了比赛。

But anyhow, because and yeah, we were so lucky to work with three manufacturers and won with and win with three manufacturers.

所以我认为，这背后是运气和各种因素的结合——他来到现代时，车间空空荡荡，只有两个人告诉他，我和他见面时，我总是能说：‘没问题，我们得把TCR做起来，我们需要做这个。’他看着我，等我全部说完后，他用那种模仿英语的意大利口音对我说：‘要不是你，我根本不会相信。’

So I think it's the mix that is something of luckiness and yeah, he he arrived in Hyundai, it was a big empty workshop, two people telling him and I meet him with the way that sometimes I'm able to say, so no problem, we are gonna have to make the TCR, we do need to do the he was looking at me and at the end, when I finish everything, he told me with this Italian accent that is used to imitate how in English, but if it weren't you, I would have never believed.

他就是用这句话签了合同。

And he signed the contract with this.

所以他一直认为，现在我告诉他，你一半的工资都是我的。

So he always thought now I tell him, you know, half of your payroll is mine.

我必须当你的经理，但除此之外，我每次跟别人谈起这件事都会说，我从来不敢相信，但我说，好吧，我们试试看，但他永远做不到，而我却做到了。

I have to be your manager, but apart this, I always tell tell everyone speaking about this, I would never believe, but I say, okay, let's have a go to it, but he will never be able and instead I did.

事情就是这样开始的，之后我从未要求做更多事，而且这其实很简单，记住，我从不谈论自己是新任车队领队或车队主管之类的头衔。我记得在2018年12月20日，我努力争取更多业务，一直试图让现代汽车运动部门承接制造高性能公路车原型的任务，因为我的主要目标，是前任老板马里乌斯·莫尔·西普斯告诉我的：你必须关心你的员工。

So that's how it started and then I never asked to do something more and basically it's very easy, remember it, I have no chat, no things about being the new team principal or team or whatever it is the name And I remember on the 12/20/2018, trying to have more business inside, I was always trying to bring Hyundai Motorsport the job of building road car high performance prototype, because my main target, I've been told from my previous boss, Marius Mauer Sipps, was that you have to care about your people.

不是员工，而是家庭。

It's not people, it's families.

你必须始终为他们保障薪资，这才是你真正该关注的。

You have to always guarantee them a payroll to what you want.

所以这始终是我的目标和工作。

So for me, it was always my target and work.

因此我说，如果我能带来比客户赛车更多的业务，我们也可以努力成为一家高性能汽车原型公司。

So I say, if I bring on more job than customer racing things, and we try to be also this kind of prototype company for high performance cars.

如果有什么突发状况发生，只要我能为我的员工提供工作，他们喜欢与否都无所谓，但我能保证他们的工资。

We also if something with their fire, where the thing happen, I have a job to do for my people, then they can like or not, but I can guarantee the payroll.

不。

No.

所以，这些想法是我为了维持业务运转并始终保留一个安全退出方案而提出的。

So it was the ideas that I had sometimes to keep the business alive and always have a safety exit.

我记得在12月20日早上4点，我与供应商就高性能项目开了个会，当时我本该当晚乘飞机回家过圣诞节。

And I remember on the December 20, 04:00, I had a meeting about this high performance with supplier and things like this, and I was supposed to have a flight on the evening to go back home for Christmas time.

对。

Right.

我收到了 Shimera 先生的短信，他当时是和 Beerman 先生一起负责的，他说：我们决定由他担任下一任车队领队。

And I got an SMS from mister Shimera, that was the chief in those days with mister Beerman, say, we decided that he will be the next team principal.

好的。

Okay.

所以他们根本没问过你。

So they hadn't asked you or anything.

这纯粹是

It was just

我是对的。

I was right.

我们已经做出了决定。

We've made a decision.

不。

No.

但你确实

But You are

事情不会就这样结束，因为后来我读了那条信息。

It doesn't finish like this because basically and then I read it.

我说，我觉得我这么做是为了让你信任我。

I said, I think I I did this for trust me.

我说，凌晨四点他们在韩国，时差七小时，正在吃圣诞晚餐，都喝得酩酊大醉，根本不知道自己写了什么。所以如果他们说了些什么，那并不认真。于是我回复了类似这样的话：非常感谢您的信任，我随时为您效劳，因为现代对我而言非常重要。

I say 04:00 they are in Korea seven hours they are having a Christmas dinner they are totally drunk so they don't know exactly what they have written so if I say blah blah blah it's not serious so I I was answering something like, thank you very much for your trust, always have your disposal as Hyundai is very important for me.

我会做所有需要做的事，以及公司要求我做的所有事情。

I do all what is needed and what the company asked me.

圣诞快乐，等等。

Merry Christmas, etcetera.

结束了。

Finish.

我的想法，结束了。

My mind, finish.

干杯，圣诞快乐，去赶航班吧。

Cheers, happy Christmas, take the flight.

25号是圣诞节，26号在韩国不是假日，但在意大利是。我和朋友们举办了圣诞派对，然后拔掉了插头。

Twenty fifth Christmas, twenty sixth is not holiday in Korea, it is in Italy And I had the Christmas party with my friends and to pull out the plug.

那是个深夜到凌晨的事情。

It was a late night, early morning thing.

早上八点到九点之间，我的手机开始震动，而不是响铃。

Eight to 09:00 in the morning, my phone starts vibrating, not ringing.

响铃？

Ringing?

不是响铃，因为现代的马塞拉太太冲我喊，说我不是唯一一个，所以我应该停下来。

Not ringing because missus Marcela of the Hyundai one shout to me saying that I was not only the one and so I should stop.

当然，我当时在工作，很多，宝宝，宝宝。

Of course, I was working, were many, baby, baby.

是的。

Yes.

有一天她因为这事想杀了我。

One day she tried to kill me for this.

从那以后，我就不再感到惊讶了。

Since then I'm not surprised.

我收到了震动。

I had the vibration.

谢谢你，萨宾。

Thank you, Sabine.

基本上是一个韩国号码告诉我，啊，达莫。

And basically was a Korean number telling me, ah, Damo.

相信我，我当时以为这是个玩笑，因为你知道，我当时根本没参与，就在前几天你问人力资源部的时候，我们才开始修改代码。

And trust me, I thought it was a joke because, you know, I was basically not, you know, when you are and who asked the HR with the other day, we start to modify the code.

所以我记得我跟他们说的第一件事。

So I remember the first thing that I was telling them.

所以这根本不是玩笑。

So it was not a joke.

这是真的。

It was real.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

好。

Yeah.

当你意识到这一点时，你现在就要带领团队了。

And when, you know, that dawns on your mind, you are now going to be leading the team

是的。

Yeah.

进入一个全新的年份，但准备时间并不长，因为蒙蒂就在圣诞节后紧随其后。

Into the a brand new year with not that long to prepare because Monty is just around the corner straight after Christmas.

就像，砰。

It's like, boom.

马上就到了。

Straight away there it is.

我的意思是，那一刻你心里怎么想的？

I mean, what did you think in that moment?

你是觉得这太棒了，还是觉得难以置信，或者你只是顺其自然，心想：好吧。

Did you think this is amazing, or did you think, I can't believe this is happening, or did you roll with the punches and just, okay.

事情已经发生了。

This is happening.

我得赶紧着手处理了。

I need to get on with it.

不。

No.

不。

No.

我不担心。

I was not worried.

好吧，不担心。

Okay, not worried.

让我这么说，如果我不担心，那我就是傻了。

Let me say, if I was not worried I would have been stupid.

我很有决心，所以我首先尝试与主要人员沟通。

I was committed, so the first thing that I tried was to speak with the main people.

我开始打电话给人们，了解他们的想法，不是关于我，而是关于表面现象——其实我并不在乎他们怎么想我，因为我在那里，我的决定不受他们左右，所以关键是我们必须一起合作。

I started calling people to understand what they were thinking, not about me, about the face to surface, well I didn't care what they were thinking about me, because I was there, not decided by them, and so that was the thing, now we have to work together.

我试图更快地重新调整我对在现代汽车工作的想法，那可能不是最好的方式，既然如此，我们就继续前进。

I tried to reorganize faster what I thought working in Hyundai, it was not maybe the best way, and since there we move on.

我记得我第一次和他们聊天时，我们还在NEC，我逐个团队叫进来谈话，因为对我来说，始终是一个团队，而不是单独的车手。我和他们交谈，让他们说话，而我没有插嘴。我记得我跟他们所有人聊过，倾听他们觉得哪些地方不对劲，以及他们希望被听到的意见。

I remember I had the first chat because we were in NEC and I call in a room crew by crew, because for me it's always a crew, it's not the driver, I spoke with them, let them speaking, I didn't spoke, I remember I was speaking with all of them, listen about what they thought was not okay and what they wish to have said.

是的。

So Mhmm.

整整十五天，我认为这是我一生中唯一一次，只听不说。

For a good fifteen days, and I think the only fifteen days in my life, I was only listening and not speaking.

什么？

What

现在回头看看，你能不能说说，就像你刚才提到的，你知道当时哪里出了问题，为什么现代车队没能赢得制造商锦标赛，也没能赢得车手锦标赛？

would you say now, you know, when you look back and you you kind of like you just mentioned, you knew what you thought was wrong there and why maybe Hyundai weren't winning the Manufacturers' Championship, weren't winning the Drivers' Championship.

我知道制造商锦标赛最重要。

I know the Manufacturers is the most important.

原因是什么？

What was the reason?

因为到那时为止，现代车队已经参加了五年的锦标赛，但一直没能赢得任何一个冠军？

Because it had been up to that point, what, five years in the championship for Hyundai, and they hadn't secured either championship at that point?

我不知道原因是什么。

I don't know which was the reason.

我知道我采取的方式是必要的，而且我一直都是这样做的，我没有做任何改变。

I know the way I fought was needed and was done as I always done before, I didn't change anything.

我只是继续推进之前一直在做的事情，如果你还记得，我做的第一件事，我认为是必要的，就是说：现在这里只有我在说话。

I just put together put on ongoing what is the same thing as I did before and if you remember the first thing I did as I think was needed, I said now I'm the only one speaking here.

哦，那是你吗？

Oh, so that was you?

是的。

Yeah.

哦，对啊。

Oh, yeah.

对现在正在听的人说，安德烈亚基本上是在说，每次我们去采访，每当有记者去车队采访任何人时，你都是我们唯一能接触的发言人。

To to those who are listening right now, what Andrea is basically saying is whenever we would go and interview, whenever any journalist would go to the team to interview anybody, you were the only spokesperson we we had.

我们无法与技术总监或任何车手的工程师交谈，除了安德烈亚，当然还有车手和副驾驶。

We couldn't speak to a technical director or an engineer of any driver, no one other than Andrea and of course the drivers and and co drivers.

能说话。

Able to speak.

是的。

Yeah.

但发声的是你。

But it was you with a voice

现在每个人都必须专注于自己的工作，100%投入。

Now box for the everyone has to be focusing his own job, 100%.

我希望看到的是真正投入的人，而不是为了在大家面前表现得友善和善良，或者想出名的人。

I want to see people committed, not they're trying to be nice and kind in front of everyone and they try to be famous.

现在去工作吧。

Now you work.

如果出现问题，那是我的责任。

And if there is a problem, it's my problem.

如果我们赢了，那就是我们共同的胜利。

If we win, we win.

如果你还记得，曾经有过一些严重的问题，而我不希望任何人说‘不是我，是别人’，不，就是我。

And if you remember, there were moments with big problems, and I didn't want anyone to say, no, it's not me, it's the other, it's me.

明白吗？

Okay?

是的。

Yeah.

让我们来关注这个问题。

Let's let's put on this.

问题，就是我的责任。

The problems, it's me.

但每个人都要为此努力。

But everyone has to work on it.

我不希望看到有人开始说：‘我知道，但我已经做对了。’

And I don't want to see people start to saying, I know, but I did properly.

就是我之前说的那个。

It was the one I say.

如果有问题，那就是我们的责任。

If there is a problem, it's our problem.

是的。

Yeah.

我想从一开始就要说清楚，每个人都必须专注于此事，每个人都有自己的目标、职责和任务要完成，但我不想听到有人说‘这个问题是发动机的’、‘是底盘的’、‘是悬挂系统的’、‘是测试的问题’、‘是比赛的问题’，或者说比赛没做好。

And I want this to be clear from the word go, and everyone has to be focused on it, everyone has had a target, a job, a target to fulfill, but I don't want to hear is this problem, is the engine, is the chassis, the suspension, is the test, is the race, the race are not doing.

在意大利，我们说‘结束了’。

Finito we say in Italy.

现在你们去工作，我来当面说清楚。

Now you work, I put the face.

是的。

Yeah.

因为我过去一直这么做，我觉得这是必要的，因为当时有很多暗地里的指责、私下聊天之类的事情，所以我必须做一些清理，以明确方向，但我觉得这很有效。让我和阿兰一直忍俊不禁的是，我记得当时人们都说我和阿兰最多撑十五天。

Because something that I always did in the past and I think it was a bit needed because there were lots of under the table blaming and private chats and things like this, so I have also to do some cuts because I have to show some clear direction, but I think it was working and the thing that makes me laugh so much and I still laugh now a lot with Alain is the fact that I remember people were saying that me and Alain would last a maximum fifteen days.

我认为这是我一生中最好的合作关系。

I think it's the best working relationship that I ever had in my life.

阿兰

Alain

佩纳斯

Penas.

是的，阿兰·佩纳斯。

Yeah, Alan Penas.

我觉得我和他之间的默契，是我过去与其他任何人相处时都难以比拟的。

I think that we click each other like hardly I had with someone else in the past.

我们俩都很直率，我记得我完全信任他，但另一方面，和人共事就必须信任对方。

We are both straightforward and I remember that I trust him 100% but on the other hand, if you work with people you have to trust them.

如果你不信任他们，那就毫无意义，纯粹是在浪费时间。

If you don't trust them it's useless, you'll just waste your time.

既然这段关系这么好，那为什么后来破裂了呢？

So why did the relationship fall apart if it was a good working relationship?

不不，这

No no it's

在我看来，这并非在最后才出现的问题，而是现代汽车一些问题的开端，韩国方面决定出于某些原因终止一些合同，这引发了我和韩国方面的激烈争执。

not the at the end it was the start of some problems in Hyundai in my opinion and the Koreans decided that they had to close some contracts for any reasons and it was a big fight from my side with the Koreans.

这在我看来，是那几年积累的紧张情绪的又一滴催化剂。

It was, I think, another drop of the tension and the things that I had in those years.

如果我回望过去，我认为2020年和2021年是最具压力的两年，我为此付出了代价，因为当时压力无处不在，新车的开发严重滞后——我知道我们落后了，因为我们从未按时获得绿色通道，管理上问题重重，韩国内部也存在巨大的权力斗争，情况非常艰难，真的非常艰难。

If I look back, I think 2020, 2021 were '21 more the most stressful and I think I paid a bit in the years that I had because the tension was there, we were late with the new car that I knew we were because we never had the green line in time, there were problems to manage everything, there were tension in Korea, big power battles in Korea and it was very difficult and it was so

复杂在

complicated in

那些日子里，我还感到内疚，因为后来我没能留在现场保护我的团队，虽然他们最终设法解决了问题，但那一年对我来说极其艰难，我想最终我还是为此付出了代价。我本该在某个时刻进入一个循环，现在回头看，要么是有人阻断了这个循环，要么是我自己意识到：我越是往前推进，就越焦虑，因为我看到事情没有朝着我希望的方向发展，但我却无力改变许多状况，这真的非常不容易，一点也不容易。

those days and I feel also guilty to found myself in the situation to not be there to protect my people the year after and after they sort the things luckily but was complicated for me this year and I think I paid the bill in the end, I should have you enter in a loop at the certain moment, I am looking back and either someone blocked the loop or something or I said I know that the more I went ahead the more I was nervous because I saw the things not going in the direction I wanted but I was harmless to change many situation and that was not easy, not not easy at all.

不过我们还是聊聊积极的一面吧，你是在2019年加入的。

Let's talk about the good stuff though because you came in in 2019.

人生就是由好与坏组成的。

Life is made the good and bad.

哦，是的。

Oh, yeah.

确实如此。

It really is.

哦，我们也会谈谈糟糕的部分。

Oh, we will talk about the bad as well.

别担心。

Don't worry.

但我们已经往前走了一段。

But we've gone forward a bit.

2019年你加入后，彻底改变了那里的局面。

In 2019, you come in, You transform things there.

现代车队首次赢得制造商冠军，这对车队和制造商来说都是一个关键的里程碑。

Hyundai wins Manufacturers' Championship for the first time, which was a pivotal moment for the team and for the manufacturer to be able to to claim that.

这一定让你感到欣慰，但达到这一成就的过程充满了艰辛。

That must have made you feel good, but it was a year of hard work to get to that point.

我想，回顾起来，我记得当时观看庆祝场面，这对我们来说总是很有趣，因为现代车队有一个独特的特点——你会轮换第三辆车。

I would say, you know, look looking back on it, I think I remember, you know, watching the celebrations, and it was always interesting for us because there was this different dynamic with the Hyundai team because you rotated your third car.

这让我有点烦。

And that got on my nerves a little bit.

我不会撒谎。

I'll not lie.

作为一名记者，你知道，我希望看到团队里有专注的人，但这种方式对你们有效。

As a journalist, you know, I wanted to see dedicated people in the team, but it worked for you.

这是正确的策略。

It was the right game to play.

但看到众多车手取得成功，看到每个人脸上的喜悦，因为这背后是多年辛勤付出才达到的这一刻，感觉所有人都如释重负，终于迎来了回报。

But to see a myriad of drivers, their success, and see the joy in everyone because it had been years of hard work leading to the point and it felt like a huge relief and also a release for everybody that this hard work had finally paid off.

我认为对现代来说，这也是来自管理层的一种解脱，你知道。

I think for Hyundai it was also a banter of air from the bosses, know.

如果他们说让我去那里，这某种程度上是个容易的选择，因为如果现代没有赢，那说明他不够好；如果现代赢了，那本来就是现代的胜利，依我看来。

If they say to put me there was somehow an easy choice because if Hyundai would not have won anyhow, know, he was not good enough and if Hyundai would have won, it would have been Hyundai, in my opinion.

但这个决定本身并不是一个挑战。

But it was not a challenge, the decision that has been done.

我一向尊重老板，我会说乌佩斯是老板，我非常尊重他。

I always respected boss, I will say Upeis is the boss and I respect a lot.

这只不过是运用我之前见过和做过的一些策略而已，没什么奇怪的，你知道的。

It was just a matter of applying the strategies and the things I've seen and I've done before, so nothing strange, know.

我认为让一个从砾石赛道后方起步的人上场，以提升竞争力，这根本不需要思考。

I think it was a no brain decision to take someone who starts on gravel behind to be more competitive.

这不是对的。

It's not Yeah.

把某人放在后面，让其他人清场，这个决定。

The decision to put someone behind and clean someone else.

你也不怕玩点策略吗？

You weren't afraid to play games as well?

不。

No.

是的。

Yes.

可能不是游戏，先生。

Probably not games, sir.

那是策略。

They are Tactics.

策略。

Tactics.

战术性的。

Tactical.

这种日常安排非常具有战术性。

The routine was very tactical.

每个人。

Everyone.

是的。

Yeah.

所以如果你没读过这本书，那是你的问题，不是我的。

So if you not read the book, it's your problem, not mine.

嗯，是的。

Well, yeah.

我的意思是，我记得曾经说过

And I mean, I I I remember from speaking

我是第一个组织全国集会等的人，我是坏人。

I to was the first one making national rallies, etcetera, etcetera, and I was the bad guy.

现在如果有人这么做，他就很聪明。

Now if someone does, he's smart.

所以我不明白为什么我是坏人，而现在别人却很聪明。

So I don't know why I was bad, and now someone else is smart.

我一直都不明白这一点，但算了。

Something that I never understood, but okay.

当你处于我的位置时，我总是说，我是个好人，只是营销做得不好。

When you are I always say, I'm a a nice person with the bad marketing.

也许吧。

Maybe.

也许吧。

Maybe.

我们一会儿再谈这个。

We'll talk about that in a minute.

但我一直很喜欢，你知道的，我总是WRC电视报道席上被推出来采访你的人，因为真的会推出来。

But I always used to love, you know, I would always be the one from WRC TV reporter's bench who would be wheeled out to interview you because Wheeled.

我们真的是推着出去的。

We literally wheeled out.

天哪。

It'd be like, oh my god.

我们得去采访安德烈亚·亚当了。

We've got to interview Andrea Adam.

我觉得每个人都有点怕你，因为你很难采访。

I think everyone was a bit scared of you because you were quite a challenge to interview.

我可以把你和奥伊坦纳克在很多方面相提并论。

And I can compare you to Oit Tanakh in many, many ways.

你在性格上和他非常相似，有着百分之百的投入、专注和驱动力，并且对周围所有人都有很高的要求。

You're very similar to him in personality with, you know, 100% commitment, focus, driven, expected of everyone around you.

但你也可以是个话不多的人。

But you can also be a man of few words as well.

尤其是当你采用战术时，你几乎是在和我们记者玩捉迷藏。

And especially when you had played tactics, you were almost playing cat and mouse with us as reporters.

所以我问你一个问题，你只给我几个词作为回应，而我必须不断追问。

So I'd ask you a question, and you'd give me a handful of words as a response, and I had to keep going.

我得一直追问下去。

It keep going.

这正是我必须对奥伊特做的——直到我彻底撬开你的话匣子，最终让你把所有内幕都吐出来。

It it which is exactly what I've gotta keep doing with OIT until I've broken you down, and eventually, you give me all the goods.

但我觉得，那一年你刚来的时候，我们都不知道会面对什么。

But I think people were, you know, that year you came in, we didn't know what to expect.

我们并不了解你的个性，也不知道采访你时会得到什么样的回应。

We, you know, we weren't aware of who you were as a personality and what we were gonna get when we were interviewing you.

你也可以很严厉，但采访你时也挺有趣的。

And you could be tough, but you could also be fun to interview as well.

但总的来说，我觉得人们都害怕你。

But generally I think people were scared

怕你。

of you.

我不知道为什么，但这就是我的承诺，我对每个人都有很高的期望。我记得有个人，她还活着，当时我们在葡萄牙遇到了燃油泵问题，这让我抓狂，因为我知道我们本该解决它，我知道在赛季初我们就被提醒过，那时我还在努力了解我的团队。在葡萄牙，我和丹尼、卢布一起，刚开完三公里赛段，燃油泵就出了问题。记者过来问我：‘你是不是燃油计算错了？’

I don't know why but you know this is a part of my commitment and my expect of high level by everyone you know I remember someone but she's still alive, coming in Portugal when we had the fuel pump problem that made me crazy because I knew we should have solved it, I knew we had been told, quite for the start of the season when I was still trying to understand my people, and with Danny and Leub in Portugal, we had a fuel pump problems after three kilometers in the stage, and the interviewer come to me and asked me, did you made the wrong fuel calculation?

在八十公里的赛段里，诸如此类的问题。

In a loop of 80 kilometers, whatever, etcetera, etcetera.

当然，她还活着，所以听我说的人知道，没有人因为这个问题丧命。我不太记得原话了，但我记得，也许那天我并不是她遇到的最友善的人。你知道，她问了我任何问题，但你真的认为我的团队会在三个赛段、十五公里公路路段和三公里赛段后，把燃油算错吗？

Then of course, she's still alive for who is listening just no person has been killed for this problem and I don't remember exactly the word but I remember maybe I was not the kindest person that she could have met that day you know also the question ask me anything but you really think that my people have made a wrong calculation for a loop of three stages and after 15 kilometers of road section and three kilometers of stage we finish the fuel.

我觉得你可以问出更有智慧的问题。

I think you can easily make a smarter question.

是的。

Yeah.

所以我觉得这有点像是一个糟糕的营销失误。

So I think this was a bit of a bad marketing aside.

不是吗？

No?

所以问题本身并不愚蠢。

So it's not that the question was stupid.

这个安德烈亚是个坏家伙。

This Andrea is a bad guy.

但，是的，我想你知道，你看到了事情的两面。

But, yeah, I guess, you know, you see both sides of the story.

你本可以对她更圆滑一点，但你也并非以圆滑见长？

You you could have been more diplomatic with her maybe, but you're also Not your strong point?

有时候，你知道，我现在甚至觉得生命太短暂，不该浪费时间。

Sometimes, you know, I even more now, I think that life is too short to waste time.

是的。

Yeah.

那好吧，不行。

Well, then no.

我同意你的看法。

I I will agree with you there.

但我认为，我在处理事情和与人交往时是个永远的外交家，因为我明白，通过保持外交态度，我可以避开生活中许多无谓的纷争，并以这种方式达成我的目标。

But I am, I think, the eternal diplomat in the way that I deal with things and people because I know that I can cut through a lot of the rubbish in life by being diplomatic and get what I want by being diplomatic.

有时我非常直接，但与此同时，我也是

Sometimes I'm and I'm very direct in it, but at the same time, I'm

相当平衡的。

quite balanced.

我跟你说，我进步了很多。

A lot, I'm tell you I'm improved a lot.

我进步了。

I'm improved

很多。

a lot.

嗯，这挺有趣的，因为我

Well, it's funny because I

正如让告诉我的，变得更糟比进步更难。

As Jean told told me, it was, more difficult to became worse than then improve.

所以我一直相信，你知道，没什么真能吓到我，尤其是采访人。

So I've always believed, you know, nothing really scares me, certainly not interviewing people.

所以你知道，即使我们曾经要采访一些很难搞的人，像你以前那样，到现在也还是这样。

So I you know, even if we have tough people to interview like you used to be back in the day, like Oit still is to this day.

对我来说，他并不难搞。

For me, he's not tough.

我觉得任何人都不是挑战。

I I don't find anyone a challenge.

我当然不怕任何人，但你进去就把工作做了。

I'm certainly not scared of anybody, but you go in and and you do the job.

你刚才提到了几位车手。

You mentioned a couple of drivers there.

你提到了勒布。

You mentioned Loeb.

你提到了索尔多。

You mentioned Sordo.

显然，有不少车手曾效力于你的车队。

Obviously, quite a few drivers went through your stable

是的。

Mhmm.

在你待的那三年里。

In your three years there.

首先，接手这个职位是什么感觉？然后还要和蒂埃里·纽维尔直接共事，他从车队成立之初就在那里，几乎是车队的领军人物。

What was it like, first of all, stepping up into that role and then working head to head with Thierry Newville, who'd been there from the start, who was literally like the the leading figure of the team?

和勒布、索尔多共事是什么感觉？

What was it like with Loeb, Sordo?

你是如何了解他们的个性的？

How did you discover their personalities?

这一直很容易，因为他们毕竟是公司薪酬最高的员工，所以他们觉得应该加倍尊重公司和任何人。我认为，当你和聪明人打交道时，事情总是很顺利，你知道吗？

It was always easy because at the end they were the most paid employee of the company so they think they should respect twice the company and anyone else and I think that when you speak, when you work with the smart people it's always easy, know?

是的。

Yeah.

在共同工作的人员之间，你永远不需要撒谎。

As much as you are, between the people who are working together, you never have to lie.

你必须始终说真话。

And you always have to tell the truth.

真话让人自由，这一点我多年前就一直这么说。

The truth makes you free, as I've been saying many years ago.

当你告诉人们真相，告诉他们该做什么、能从你作为公司或从你这里期待什么、不能期待什么，以及你为何做出某个决定时，我认为人们也许不会高兴，但他们能理解。

And when you tell people the truth and you tell them what they have to do and what they can expect from you as a company or from you and what they cannot expect and why you decide to do something, I think people maybe are not happy but they understand.

对。

Yeah.

我一直以来在每次世界拉力锦标赛（WRC）赛事之后，以及当年的TCR赛事之后，都会召开一次全公司会议，由媒体团队制作一些精彩的视频，向每一个人——我说的每一个人，就是每一个员工——解释比赛中发生了什么、我们身处何地、我们该往哪里去、我为何提出某些要求、他们为何需要为此多付出一些努力，以及我们的愿景和目标。

Another thing that I always tried to do after any WRC event and also TCR in those days was to do a whole company meeting with some nice video prepared by the media people and explain to each and everyone and when I say each and everyone was each and everyone what was happened at the rally or the racing, where we are, where we have to go, why I'm asking something, why they should expect to work a bit more for this and that and that a vision and the target.

是的。

Yeah.

因为我认为最重要的是让所有和你一起工作的人清楚你打算去哪里。

Because I think is the most important thing to let everyone working with you where you are going.

当有类似PC这样的新闻时，我经常把所有人召集在一起，比如车间的员工，告诉他们事情是这样的，这样的，这样的。

When there were PC PC news like this, I often put together all the people, for example, the workshop, tell them, it's like this, this, this, this.

然后最后，我总是会提问。

And then in the end, I always ask questions.

也许我的语气有点吓人，但至少它

Maybe the tone was a bit scary, but at least it

你倒说说看。

was You don't say.

每次我讲完，大家都会跟我开玩笑，因为我总是说得清清楚楚。

And then everyone joke with me because every time when I was there, I was always finish saying clear.

所以现在他们也拿我开玩笑

And so also now a joke with me

说清楚。

saying clear.

是的。

Yes.

我正在尝试说‘是’。

I'm trying a yes.

让我们让我们

Let us let us

离开房间。

leave the room.

但我只是想确认每个人都知道自己该做什么。

But it was just I wanted to know that everyone was up to what was needed.

好的。

Okay.

问题是，我的记忆力很好。

And the problem is that I have a big memory.

所以有时候我会记得一些别人已经忘记的事情，这让我感到加倍地难过，但我也只好接受。

So sometimes I was remembering thing that happened before that people forgot, and then it made me twice But as okay.

所以我认为让每个人都有思考的空间是很重要的。

And so I think it was important for let everyone think.

还有一件事，虽然只是开个玩笑，但对我来说，我的那些同事们永远不会成为前同事，他们将永远是我生命中的人。

And another thing just to joke altogether and with my still my people, sorry for me they will never be ex colleague, for me they will remain all my life my people.

当我刚到现代时，客户并不受待见，我被安排在一个宽敞的开放空间里，坐在角落，有一张大办公桌。我记得我是第一个来、最后一个走的人，一直都是这样。

When I arrived in Hyundai, customer was not welcome and I was seated in this big space, open space, seated in the corner with a big office and I remember I was the first one coming and basically the last one going home and this always been like this.

我记得人们进来时说‘早上好’，却没人理会。

And I remember people entering and saying, good morning, no one cares.

‘早上好’，这种情况持续了三天。

Good morning, and it was going on three days.

到了第四天，我说：好吧，现在轮到我了。

At the fourth day, I say, okay, now it's my time.

我让所有人都进来，站起来，挨个桌子走去，握手并说：早上好。

I let everyone in, I stand up and I went desk by desk, giving the hand and say, morning, good morning.

人们都震惊了。

And people were shocked.

当你面对面时，我现在想看看。

When you are face to face, now I want to see.

他本来不想跟我打招呼说早上好。

He was not going to tell me good morning.

我应该因为自己开放的态度等而得到认可。

And I have to be appreciated for the open way I was and etc.

等等。

Etc.

我们逐渐习惯了这个来到德国工作的疯狂意大利人，你知道的，gasterbiter，就是二战后从土耳其、意大利来这边打工的人。所以我总说自己是个可怜的燃气轮机——最后我总是先搞清楚自己是谁。在现代汽车的每一天，我都会花至少一小时去拜访公司里的每个人，问他们过得怎么样，听他们说说话，打招呼，了解他们的家庭情况，比如谁家孩子上学了、谁家生了孩子。这就是我的方式，让每个人都知道我在这里，知道他们有一个负责任的人，我不喜欢说‘老板’，他们应该知道我一直在。

We start to get used to this crazy Italian that came to work in Germany as a gasterbiter, you know gasterbiter, where the worker that after the second world war from Turkey, Italy used to go to work there so I always say I'm a poor gas turbine in the end so I check before what I am and until the last day every day I was in Hyundai I spent at least one hour to go to Sheikh Ham to each and everyone in the company asking how it was, listen to everyone a bit, hello, knowing the family, the things if someone has a son going to school or born and it was my way to let everyone that I was there and that they had a responsible, I don't like to say both, and they should know that I was there.

对我来说，这是我每天在那里的时候始终在做的最重要的事。

And this for me was the most important thing that I always did every day I was there.

每次赢了之后的第一天，我都会去感谢所有没有直接参与项目的人，因为我不想让这种事只发生在午餐时，针对A类、B类、C类员工。

And the first time and the first day after a win, I used to go to say thank you for all the people not directly involved with the cast because I didn't want it, this was happening in lunch, the class A, class B, class C people.

所以我首先感谢的是财务人员、人力资源部、采购部门，所有这些部门，因为每次我都说，这不仅仅是礼貌地称赞机械师很好，而是如果没有采购、财务以及公司里所有其他员工，我们根本不可能达到那个水平。

So the first thing that I went to say thank you was to the finance people, to the HR, to the purchase department, everything, because I say every time and it was not just a nice way of saying that the mechanic is nice, but if he doesn't have the purchaser, the finance, and all the people working in the company, we will never be able to go there.

对我来说，让每个人处于同等地位很重要，因为不能因为有人在车底下工作，就认为那是更辛苦的工作。

And for me, it was a matter to have everyone on the same level, because doesn't mean that if someone is working under the car, that is a hard work.

让预算维持运转的人更重要，因为我相信，晚上管理预算、让数据回归正轨绝非易事。

It is more important that someone is making the budget stays together, because I am sure that to manage the budget in the night and make the figures coming back is not so easy.

是的。

Yeah.

每个人都不可或缺，这就是我管理团队的方式，我要让我的人知道，这种态度会永远延续下去。

And everyone is needed and this was my way to to manage and to say my people that is this way will stay forever.

我们来谈谈人。

Let's talk about people.

我们来谈谈2019年，接近2019赛季尾声的时候。

Let's talk about 2019 heading towards the end of the 2019 season.

我知道你想说什么。

I know where you are going.

我知道你知道我想说什么。

I know you know where I'm going.

安德烈亚。

Andrea

太阳。

the sun.

安德烈亚·奥达莫的目光关注的不是当时现代车队的那些车手。

Andrea O'Damo's eyes are looking elsewhere other than the current crop of drivers who are part of Hyundai at the time.

你当时在寻找一位即将在2019年赢得冠军的车手——奥伊特·塔纳克。

You were looking for someone who was about to win the championship in 2019, Oit Tanak.

我记得当时有很多传闻，说现代车队在追逐奥伊特，而奥伊特也对加入现代感兴趣，很多人都说：‘他马上就要在丰田赢得冠军了。’

And I remember there being so many rumors about Hyundai chasing Oit and Oit interested in Hyundai and going there, and which lot of people were like, well, he's just about to win the championship with Toyota.

他为什么非得去现代呢？

Why why on earth would he go to Hyundai?

他在这里已经拥有夺冠的全套配置了。

He's got the winning package here.

我记得在西班牙拉力赛——他赢得冠军的那场比赛——我在媒体区接受电视直播采访，直接问你是否与奥伊塔纳克有过任何讨论，以及他是否已经与现代签订了2020年的合同。

And I remember at Rally Spain, the event he won the championship at, speaking to you in the media zone live on TV, asking you flat out whether you had any discussions with Oytanak and had he signed a contract with Hyundai for 2020.

你告诉我，没有。

And you told me, no.

我们没有谈过。然后摄像机停了，你凑近我耳边低声说：你会原谅我的。

We have not spoken with And then the camera stopped rolling, and you leaned in and whispered in my ear, you will forgive me.

那一刻，我就知道你已经签下了奥伊塔纳克，而我却什么也不能说。

At which point, I knew you'd signed Oit Tanach, and I could say nothing.

这可能是我记者生涯中至今最令人沮丧的时刻之一。

Probably still to this day, one of the most frustrating moments of my journalistic career.

但你确实已经和他谈过，而他也早已签字确认。

But you had spoken to him, and he had already signed on the dotted line.

我想公告是在他赢得冠军的第二天发布的，或者类似的时间，我记不清具体有多快了，但确实很快。

I think the announcement happened the day after he won the championship or something like I can't remember how quick it was, but it was quick.

那件事是什么时候开始的？

How when did that start?

你和奥特·塔纳克开始交谈是什么时候？

When did that process of you speaking to Oit Tanak start?

你什么时候开始撒谎的，安德烈亚·奥多莫？

When did you become a liar, Andrea Odomo?

所以我没有撒谎，因为从技术上讲，我确实没有。

So I was not a liar because technically I was not.

但你知道，你开头的方式并不准确，因为并不是我不关注我当前的车队，而是从孩提时代起，我就在午餐时间、用餐等场合明白，要想获胜，首先必须拥有所有可能的顶尖人才。

But, you know, the way you started was not time because it's not that I was not looking at my current cruise, but I was learning since I was a child with lunch hour, for a meal, etcetera, that the first thing that you need to have to win is to have all the possible best people.

我可能会被意大利禁止入境，护照也被吊销，但兰西亚之所以取得如此多的胜利，正是因为所有顶尖车手都在兰西亚。

I will be banned and my passport will be cancelled in Italy saying that, but if Lancia won so much, it was thanks to the fact that all the best drivers were in Lancia.

是的。

Yeah.

我们直说吧。

Let's say the things.

你必须公正地分析事物，回顾历史，最重要的是，我一贯的做法是理解别人犯了什么错误，因为单靠自己犯错是无法变得优秀的。

And you have to be fair to analyze the things, analyze the history, and first of all, what I always did was to understand where the other did mistakes, because you cannot do enough mistakes in life alone to become good.

你得看看实际情况是什么。

You have to see what are there is.

所以我一直努力研究我过去经验中的关键因素，这些因素让我们取得了胜利。

So I always tried to study what was the key factors of my previous experience that allowed us to win.

对我来说，很明显我拥有最好的车手。

And it was clear for me that I have the best drivers.

而在我看来，最好的车手是OIT，有人可能会说OGET之类的，但在那些年，斯泰兰蒂斯或当时叫什么的公司仍然参与其中，我知道如果继续与OGET签约，成本会非常高。

And there, know, best the driver in my opinion was OIT someone can say there's OGET etc, but in those days Stellantis or whatever was the name was still involved and I knew the contract was going on for OGET would have cost me a lot.

但相反，OIT的合同即将到期。

But instead OIT was coming to the end of his contract.

说实话，我们第一次稍微交谈是在2019年，当然，那是在撒丁岛之后。

And to tell you the truth, think the first time we spoke a bit together was in 2019 of course but after Sardinia.

好的。

Okay.

因为如果你记得，那是他方向盘坏了的时候。

Because if you remember was when he broke the steering

在动力阶段，他失去了风向。

on the power stage and he lost the wind.

是的，我清楚地记得，在赛后散步时心情非常低落，那一刻我意识到该开始行动了。

Yeah and I remember clearly walking after the parfum very down and I see the moment that I should start to to jump in.

你就像鲨鱼嗅到了血腥味。

You were like a shark smelling blood.

你就是那样的人。

That's what you were.

我是一个誓要取胜的人。

I was someone committed to win.

哦。

Oh.

好的。

Okay.

那么你是怎么知道的？我相信外面的人都想知道，你们的对话是怎么进行的？

So how did you know, I'm sure everyone out there wants to know how did the conversation go?

我的意思是，你对他说了什么？

I mean, what did you say to him?

奥特，我真的非常抱歉，但你明年愿意来为我开车吗？

I'm I'm really sorry, Oit, but would you like to come and drive for me next year?

老兄，不是直接这么做的，但是

Man, not straight like this, but

毕竟你是个直率的人。

Well, you are a direct man after all.

但你知道吗，我记得我们开始交谈，然后我跟他的经理马尔科·马丁聊了，那时候他是他的经理，话题就自然展开了，我们后来见了面。

But you know I remember that we start to speak and then I spoke with Marco Martin that was his manager in those days and the conversation came up and we met a bit.

我们在拉力赛后于德国度过了一个愉快的夜晚，和他还有丹尼一起，他就是奥特，我们聊了很多，喝了很多阿佩罗汽酒，事情就这样发展了，但你必须在意大利，或者也许在英国，找到那个机会把脚踏进门里。

We had a nice evening in Germany after the rally with him and Danny, him is Oit and Danny speaking a lot and drinking so many Aperol Spritz and then the things went on, but you have to find the moment in Italy or maybe also in UK, say, to put the feet in the door.

把脚踏进门里。

The feet in the door.

是的。

Yeah.

所以我看到了那个时刻，就是那个所有人都在狂欢的时刻，那时我注意到了。

So I saw the moment, this one, where everyone was partying because it was then I saw it.

我退到一旁，心想让他们好好狂欢吧。

I move aside, and I say I let them party.

他们的人值得好好庆祝一下。

They deserve my people to party.

但我当时在哪儿？

But I was when?

2019年。

2019.

不。

No.

但什么时候？

But when?

在哪里？

Where?

六月。

June.

这发生在六月。

This was in June.

所以这还是撒丁岛的时间吗？

So this is still Sardinia time?

是的。

Yeah.

哦，是的。

Oh, yeah.

所以这还是没问题的。

So this is still okay.

对。

Right.

嗯，停下脚步，闻着香水，低着头走，哦，

Well Stop and walk with the head down after the parfum Oh,

所以喝了阿佩罗气泡酒之后， blah blah blah。

so after the Aperol Spritz, blah blah blah.

不。

No.

不。

No.

阿佩罗气泡酒是在德国出现的。

The Aperol Spritz came in in Germany.

啊，好的。

Ah, okay.

所以德国那边是八月。

So Germany was August.

哦，对。

Oh, right.

好的。

Okay.