中国理科教育让美国人开始焦虑和思考

你好。

Hello.

大家好。

Hi, everyone.

我是戴安娜。

I'm Diana.

欢迎回到新的一期节目。

Welcome back to another episode.

珍妮，我也有同感。

I feel you there too, Jenny.

我们数学真的很吃力。

We really struggled with math.

那就是菲尔兹奖，它基本上被视为数学界的诺贝尔奖。

And that's the Fields Medal, which is also pretty much seen as the Nobel Prize equivalent for mathematics.

对。

Right.

所以今天，我们想聊聊可能造成中国和北美教育体系差距的一些原因。

So today, we're going to kind of talk about some of the reasons that might be contributing to this difference between, you know, China and North America's kind of education system gap.

另外，也许也聊聊为什么，至少在美国，很多标准化考试成绩在下降。

And, also, perhaps why, you know, at least in The US, a lot of these kind of standardized test scores are declining.

两个

Both

说法都可以。

terms work.

本质上，就是美式英语和英式英语的区别。

Essentially, it's the difference between American and British English.

对。

Yes.

就是普通的数学。

So just regular math.

他们被称为数学家。

They are called mathematicians.

所以

So

我们可以称他们为

we can call them like a

数学天才。

math genius.

我也喜欢“神童”这个词。

I also like the word prodigy.

哦，显然，这两个词都指的是在某个领域极其有天赋、天生就很有才华的人。

Oh, obviously, both terms refer to someone who's extremely, like, talented and naturally talented in a specific topic.

但“神童”这个词通常指很小就展现出天赋的。

But prodigy kind of it starts very young.

几乎是在他们还没开始说话之前就能看出来，或者他们学东西特别快，通常被称为“神童”。

It's almost like you can tell before they even start talking or, like, they just grasp the concept so quickly and usually call them like child prodigies.

所以他们在非常小的时候就展现出了才华。

So they display their talent at a very, very young age.

你可能到60岁才成为天才。

You could be a genius at, like, 60.

你懂吧？

You know?

就是，你积累了很多知识，变得非常非常聪明和有才华。

Like, you just have accumulated a lot of knowledge, and you're just very, very smart and talented.

这可能是多年积累的结果，但神童就是天生的才华。

And it could be kind of built over the years, but a prodigy is just very natural born talent.

对吧？

Right?

人们会说爱因斯坦是天才。

People would say Einstein was a genius.

神童，数学神童，经常还有钢琴神童。

Prodigy math prodigy, very often piano prodigy.

哦，是的。

Oh, yes.

对吧？

Right?

是的。

Yes.

我正想拿莫扎特举个例子。

I was just going to bring up Mozart as an example.

这两个年纪轻轻就成就斐然的数学家，是怎么拿到这个菲尔兹奖的？

How are these two very young and accomplished math mathematicians winning this field's prize?

K3 AI模型。

K three AI model.

对。

Right.

所以Kimi K3是一个开源的大语言模型，也就是LLM，由清华大学的校友开发。

So Kimi K3 is an open source large language model or LLM, and this was developed by Tsinghua University alumnus.

而且，据说他们非常年轻。

And, apparently, they're very young.

在美国这边，K到12年级的教育在学生表现方面似乎很吃力，跟世界其他国家比也是这样。

On The US side of things, k through 12 education seems to be struggling when it comes to student performance and also compared to the rest of the world.

所以我觉得

So I

这是个很好的切入点，我们可以从这里开始讨论

think this would be a good place for us to start talking about

差距。

gap.

好的。

Alright.

所以我觉得我们可以从多个角度来看这个问题。

So I think we can look at it from multiple viewpoints.

我们会从文化、社会和个人层面来分析。

We'll look at the cultural, societal, and at the individual level.

甚至还有历史和传统，对吧。

Even history, tradition, Right.

可能吧，这大概是我美国人的一面在说话，但我确实同意这一点，因为当你毕业真正进入职场时，通常不需要太多数学或科学知识就能完成工作。

And maybe, you know, this is like the American side of me speaking, but I definitely agree here because, you know, when you graduate and you actually, like, enter the workforce, you usually don't have to have much, you know, math or science knowledge to do your job.

它能帮你达到那些目标。

It will get you to those places.

对吧？

Right?

向上流动，孔子的思想。

Upward mobility Confucius thoughts.

教育被高度重视。

Education is so highly valued.

深入我们的血液。

Seeps into our bloodstream.

是的。

Yes.

是的。

Yes.

确实如此。

Definitely.

重视教育、把它放在首位，这确实是深深植根于文化中的。

It is very much culturally ingrained to value education, to put it above everything

其他方面。

else.

所以他们看的是整体情况。

So they look at a whole set of things.

对吧？

Right?

对。

Mhmm.

志愿者经历。

Volunteer.

你的

Your

分数。

scores.

对。

Right.

他们确实更看重你这个人，看你是否全面发展。

They do care more about you as a person, if you are well rounded.

就像你刚才说的，有一些课外活动、体育、领导力、志愿者，所有这些经历加起来，肯定比几个考试成绩更能影响你的大学申请。

And like you were saying, you know, having some extracurriculars, sports, leadership, volunteer, all of that kind of experience adds up and definitely impacts your college application a lot more than just a couple of test scores.

而在美国，你的体育项目，不只是钱的问题，还有时间。

Whereas in The US, your sports, Not just money, but time.

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，不管你怎么看，这都是一项巨大的投入，既花时间又常常花钱。

I mean, either way you slice it, it's a huge investment in time and often money as well.

天赋。

Talent.

显然，那些手头更宽裕的人，确实能为孩子铺好成功的路。

Obviously, people, yeah, who have more disposable income, they can set their kids up for success.

而且我觉得，在美国大学录取这件事上，很多人心里都清楚这一点，所以他们常常会把同一所学校的学生放在一起比较，结合他们周边的社会背景来看。

And I think when it comes to, like, college admissions in The US, a lot of people are aware of this, and so they will often kind of compare students that came from the same school and look at them in terms of the surrounding demographic.

所以这不仅仅是看一个考试分数，而是看你的分数和跟你背景相似的人相比怎么样，不管你的经济条件是好是差。

And so it's not only just a test score, but it is also a test score compared to people like you, whether you are financially more fortunate or not.

你知道吗，他们在学校里真的很有地位。

You know, they really have status at school.

就像学术巨星、学术摇滚明星一样。

Like, academic superstar, academic rock star.

他们是学校里的明星人物。

They're the stars at school.

会被取笑。

Make fun of.

对。

Yeah.

很多电影和电视剧都把聪明的孩子刻板地描绘成书呆子，有点像社交边缘人，通常不太受欢迎。

A lot of movies and TV shows definitely stereotype the smart kids as being nerds, somewhat like social outcasts, and usually not as popular.

书呆子。

Nerds.

对。

Yes.

就好像你整天就知道埋头读书。

Like, all you do is just, like, you know, have your nose in a book.

那可能真的很难熬。

Which could be really tough.

对吧？

Right?

青少年嘛。

Teenagers.

朋友、同龄人，那经历确实不好受。

Friends, peers, That's a tough experience.

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得这真的要看学校。

I I think it does really, like, depend on the school.

我住在湾区，那里有很多学术氛围很重的学校，基本上聪明反而会让你更受欢迎，让你进入核心圈子。

I live in the Bay Area, and there are a lot of academic heavy schools where essentially being smart does make you more popular and puts you in the in crowd.

我觉得这真的得看具体学校。

It really depends, I think, on, like, school to school basis.

你

You

知道，我得保持好成绩。

know, I have to keep my grades up.

哦，不。

Oh, no.

我不仅要有好成绩，还要参加课外活动、做志愿者。

I not only have to have good grades, your extra activities, volunteer.

当

When

我想了想，确实觉得两者都有。

I think about it, I do think it was kind of both.

就是说，大家都明白，大学申请里除了学校成绩和SAT分数，还得加点别的东西。

Like, the understanding is you have to add things to your college application that are outside of just school, just SAT scores.

你知道，大家心里都清楚，是的。

You know, there's this understanding, like, yes.

你得选一些高级课程，这样看起来更好，因为考AP的时候，能向学校证明你已经准备好上大学了，能应付大学级别的学习内容。

You have to take some advanced courses that looks better because when you take the AP exams, it shows them you're ready for college, and college level, like, material.

但我也想确保自己参加一项运动。

But I wanted to, make sure I joined a sport.

所以我四年都打了羽毛球。

So I did badminton all four years.

对。

Mhmm.

而且，在高三高四那会儿，我还创办了一个社团。

And, also, at the end, my junior senior year, I started a club.

这个社团主要做志愿活动。

It was focused on volunteer work.

对。

Yes.

没错。

Right.

志愿活动当然很好，写在大学简历上也很加分，但同时，能跟朋友甚至最好的朋友一起做这件事，简直就是一举两得，两全其美。

And, you know, volunteer work is always great and looks good on your college resume, but at the same time, you know, getting to do it next to your friends or even, like, your best friends that just kind of is like a great two in one, you know, best of both worlds.

开始

Started

培养领导能力。

it leadership skills.

对。

Right.

对。

Right.

就是说，你挺有主动性的。

Like, yeah, you're a little proactive.

你努力把大家聚在一起，组织这些活动。

You're trying to get people together and organize these events for people.

这说明你很有干劲。

It shows that you have drive.

所以这也是件好事。

So that's also a good thing.

公立大学，是的。

Public University, Yes.

在加州大学那九到十所学校里，肯定是有个排名体系的。

There's definitely a ranking system within the nine to 10, UC schools.

所以UCLA，还有UC伯克利或者叫Cal，它们总是排在最前面。

And so UCLA, you know, UC Berkeley or Cal, they're always at the top.

而且大多数人呢，都想去顶尖的学校。

And most people kind of, you know, want to go to one of the top schools.

是的。

Yeah.

就算你成绩好，课外活动也多，但想进排名靠前的加州大学，还是得是顶尖中的顶尖才行。

Just because you are doing well academically or even having a lot of extracurriculars, you kind of do have to be the best of the best to get into the top ranked UCs.

辅导。

Tutoring.

你有没有感觉到很大的

Did you feel a lot of

来自他们的压力？

pressure from them?

我觉得我爸妈其实不用给我施加压力，因为我自己早就知道该做什么了。

I don't think my parents really had to add any pressure for me because I kind of already knew what I had to do.

对。

Yeah.

有一点吧。

A little bit.

对。

Right.

所以数学一直不是我的强项，我确实找了周末的额外辅导。

So my math, was never my strongest suit, so I actually did seek additional, like, weekend tutoring for that.

考SAT的时候，我也参加了一个教考试技巧的课程，还能拿到很多往年的真题来练习。

And for SATs, I also joined this program where they teach you strategies on taking the test, and you could also access a lot of tests from previous years and practice as well.

学校和老师。

School and teachers.

身心健康。

Well-being

我上高中的时候，压力要么来自自己，要么来自父母。

When I was in high school, it really the pressure came either internally or perhaps from your parents.

老师不会太在意你上什么大学，或者能不能考上某个学校，他们主要就是教好自己的课，保证其他学生能及格。

Teachers aren't going to be super invested in what colleges you get into or if you do get into a certain school or not because they're just mostly concerned with teaching their course and making sure other students pass.

他们就像你的父母一样。

They are like your parents.

父母。

Parents.

你知道，就是整体的幸福感。

You know, overall well-being.

对。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

你知道，他们不想给孩子太大压力。

You know, they don't want to push them too hard.

不。

No.

两位如此年轻的杰出数学家解决了困扰几十年的难题。

Two such young outstanding mathematicians solve decades long problems.

所以我们在人工智能、智能制造以及人才水平方面得到了认可和尊重。

So recognized and respected for what we're doing in AI, our smart manufacturing, and just this talent level.

对吧？

Right?

我觉得中美教育体系之间还有一个很大的不同，就是教学方式。

I think a big difference too between the education systems in China versus America too is how students are taught.

人工智能确实给我们的教学方式带来了很多问题。

AI, it's posing a lot of questions to how we're teaching students.

对吧？

Right?

重点是如何融合两者的优势？

Emphasize the how do we combine the best of both worlds?

没错。

Exactly.

一方面，有一种文化非常注重学术卓越，并且在学业上保持这种自律。

So on one hand, you have a culture that really focuses on, excelling academically, and having this kind of discipline when it comes to studying.

而另一方面，有一种文化非常强调创造力和个性，鼓励这种成长。

And on the other hand, you have a culture that really emphasizes creativity and individuality and encouraging that kind of growth.

所以，归根结底，我们如何把两者结合起来，既不牺牲一方，也不牺牲另一方，最终达到你说的那种两全其美的状态。

So, really, at the end of the day, how do we marry both, without sacrificing one or the other and kind of get like this, like you said, best of both worlds situation.

这可是个价值百万美元的问题，不，是十亿美元的问题。

That's the million dollar That's the billion dollar question.

没错。

Question.

是的。

Yes.

对。

Right.

下次再见。

Until next time.

拜拜。

Bye.