101：试播集

然后我们进入课堂，我的意思是，一切又立刻热火朝天地开始了。

We then go to the class, which I mean, also off to the races.

你知道的。

You know?

我们开始见到所有人，认识了阿舍。

We start seeing all of the we meet Asher.

阿舍戴着，我想是条领巾。

Asher's wearing, I believe, an ascot.

领巾。

An ascot.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

我觉得他只在试播集中戴过领巾。

I think he only wore an ascot in the pilot.

是的。

Yeah.

只在试播集中。

Only in the pilot.

我有个领结统计。

I have an ascot count.

我觉得他在试播集中穿了四条领结，这太惊人了。

I think I think he wears four ascots on the pilot, which is incredible.

我喜欢这个。

I love that.

太棒了。

It's so good.

但我认为他们在课堂场景中也做得非常好，很好地建立了法学院的社会等级和人际关系，完全如此。

But I think they also do a really great job in this scene in the classroom scene of of setting up, like, the social hierarchy and dynamics of law school Totally.

真的是适者生存。

Where it's really sink or swim.

所以我们看到了阿舍。

So we see Asher.

他在开场白中被塑造成一个讨人厌的角色。

He's introduced as being, you know, a douche face in his his intro lines.

我们见到康纳，或者看到康纳对韦斯说，你最好赶紧找到座位。

And we, you know, meet Connor or we see Connor talking to Wes saying, you know, you you better find your seat.

当枪手到来时，你可不想坐在那儿。

You don't wanna be a sitting when the shooter gets here.

因此，我们立刻就看到了这个环境是多么残酷无情。

And so we right away, we we see what this environment is and how cutthroat it is.

我记得这些场景，所有的课堂戏都是同一天拍摄的，因为那时我们才有这个场地。

I remember these scenes, all of the classroom scenes were shot the same day because that's when we had the location.

我记得在这些场景中我非常紧张。

And I remember being really nervous in these scenes.

是的。

Yeah.

因为你不只是在表演，还要在满教室的群演面前表演。

Because not only are you acting, but you're acting in front of an entire classroom full of background artists.

完全没错。

Totally.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

不。

No.

这是一种独特的体验。

It's it's a unique experience.

这简直就像在做现场戏剧，只不过有点奇怪。

You're it's like doing live theater almost in a weird way.

而且拍摄的日子也很漫长，因为你知道，你经常——我不太记得我们是不是经常这样，还是只是后来才这样，但你会一次性拍摄多个场景，接连不断地进行。

And the the days are long too because you're, you know, you're oftentimes I can't remember if we did this a lot of the time or just kinda later on, but you'd shoot, like, multiple scenes kind of at once just like going through it.

对吧？

Right?

所以很多有大量群演和很多人交谈的场景，之间会有很长的等待时间。

So a lot of the scenes where there's a lot of background actors and a lot of people talking, there's a lot of downtime in between.

而在轮到你表演时，要保持敏锐和亢奋，这有点吓人。

And to stay like sharp and invigorated for like when it's your time is it's kind of scary.

这确实有点难，你知道的？

And it's it's a little bit of a hard it can be a hard thing, you know?

完全对。

Totally.

不是，不是的。

Not yeah.

我觉得刚开始没那么明显，因为当时纯粹是肾上腺素在驱动。

I think not as much in the beginning because the adrenaline was purely there.

但后来，我觉得就更难了。

But, you know, later on, it it was harder, I think.

是的。

Yeah.

你说得对，我们通常会集中拍摄这些场景——如果涉及三个教室场景，我们会先拍完薇拉在所有三个场景中的全部戏份，对吧。

To your point, yeah, we would often block shoot these scenes where we if it was three classroom scenes, we would shoot all of Viola's stuff in all three separate scenes Right.

然后我们再回头拍摄我们自己在那三个场景中的所有戏份。

First, and then we would turn and shoot all of our stuff for those three scenes.

而那可能是一天长达十二小时的工作。

And that, you know, that could be a twelve hour day.

所以你是对的。

So you're right.

要保持状态新鲜有时确实有点困难，但我同意你的看法。

To to keep it fresh can sometimes be a little tricky, but I agree with you.

我认为对于试播集来说，至少对我来说，肾上腺素一直在飙升，可能正因为如此，我连续十二小时靠纯肾上腺素支撑，反而更累。

I think for the pilot, at least for me, the adrenaline was just pumping and which probably made him more tired that I was just running pure adrenaline for twelve hours.

但没错，我们是在教室里。

But yeah, we're in the classroom.

维奥拉走进来。

Viola walks in.

显然，这成为了电视史上一个标志性的出场镜头：我们从她走进来开始缓慢上移镜头，接着她走到黑板前，写下——或者像我常说的——如何逃脱谋杀罪。

Obviously, this becomes an iconic entrance in television where we see her, you know, we pan up from her walking in, and then she, you know, goes to the the blackboard and and writes, or as I like to call it, how to get away with murder.

没错。

That's right.

我认为，这是整部剧集中唯一一次直接引用了剧名本身。

And that is the only time, I think, in the series that the the title of the show is self referenced.

确实如此。

It's true.

确实如此。

It's true.

如果我没记错的话，粉笔好像总是会断。

I feel like the chalk kept breaking too if I'm remembering correctly.

是的。

Yeah.

我记得这件事。

I do remember that.

我还记得她一直拿这件事开玩笑，这在我看来，是她以这种角色登场的一种体现，这一点我们可能还没聊过，但那时候我们已经在费城了。

And I remember she kept making jokes about it and you know, which was sort of a testament, I think, to her coming in in that role, which I don't think we've talked about, but we were in Philly already.

对。

Right.

我想那时候我们已经在拍摄了，还是处于前期筹备阶段？

I think already were we already shooting or we were in preproduction?

但当我们被叫进一间会议室时，我们已经在费城了，导演迈克尔·奥弗尔进来告诉我们，维奥拉被选中饰演安妮丝。

But we were in Philly when we were they pulled us into some conference room, and Michael Offer, the director of the pilot, came in to tell us the news that Viola had been cast as Annalise.

天哪。

Oh my god.

我不记得这件事了。

I don't remember that.

我想我可能当时不在场，或者类似的情况。

I wonder if I was maybe not in the room or something.

是的。

Yeah.

哦，不。

Oh, no.

因为你没有参与

Because you weren't part of the

对，没错。

that's right.

没有。

No.

没参与那个谋杀之夜。

Wasn't part of the the the murder night.

是剧组的人。

Were part of the crew.

对，没错。

That's right.

不。

No.

对。

That's right.

嗯，我有这段记忆。

Well, I I have this memory.

我不知道当时房间里还有谁，因为那是一个非常超现实的时刻，但 somehow，这段记忆模糊地刻在我的脑海里。

I don't know who else was in the room because it was it was such a surreal moment, but it's it's inked in my very fuzzy memory somehow

是的。

Yeah.

我记得迈克尔·奥弗说我们请到了维奥拉·戴维斯，当时房间里一片沸腾，所有人都兴奋不已。

Of Michael Offer saying that we got Viola Davis and just the absolute pandemonium in the room at the excitement.

但我认为，试播集里那个场景——她走进教室，立刻掌控了全场——正是如此呈现的。

But I think that this scene in the pilot sort of was that shown on screen, you know, where she walks into the room and immediately takes command of this classroom.

嗯。

Mhmm.

她是一位伟大的演员和娱乐巨星，让我感到紧张。

And she is such a titan of acting and entertainment that I felt nervous.

我觉得粉笔不断折断的那一刻，是一个非常真实的人性瞬间，她当时就是这样。

And I think that the chalk continuing to break was, like, a really human moment that she was, like Yeah.

你知道的，她很自我调侃。

You know, being self deprecating.

而且，当然，我们肯定会谈到，维奥拉是我见过的最有趣的人之一。

And, you know, we'll obviously talk about the I mean, Viola is one of the funniest people I've ever met.

所以我认为，她用这种幽默让我们所有人稍微放松了一下，确实是这样。

And so I think her using that humor to sort of let us all, like, take a breath was Yeah.

这非常符合她的风格，是一位经验丰富的老将的智慧之举。

Was really kind of her and a genius, like, seasoned veteran move.

是的。

Yeah.

完全正确。

100%.

是的。

Yeah.

然后我们立刻就确定了Wes本来不该在那里，他只是刚刚从候补名单上被录取的。

And then we immediately, you know, we established that Wes is not supposed to be there, and he has only just gotten in off the wait list.

我们都拿他从候补名单上进来这件事开玩笑，这让我作为观众感到非常不舒服，因为我对NYU很感兴趣。

We all make fun of him for getting off the wait list, which as a viewer made me feel really uncomfortable because I'm interested at NYU.

我当时就想，天啊，这也太刻薄了。

And I was like, man, this is so mean.

我们一上来就这么刻薄。

We're being so mean immediately.

对。

Yeah.

我看到他这么说的时候，身体上本能地感到尴尬，我的嘴都不由自主地张大了，心想：哇。

I had a physical visceral cringe to my I think I mouth like, wow.

当他提到自己是在候补名单上时。

Like, when he says that he was the on the wait list.

而且我

And I'm

就像，哦。

like, oh.

是的。

Yeah.

完全正确。

Totally.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

一个很好的提醒，提醒我们并不是那些角色

A good reminder that we are we are not the characters that

没错。

we Exactly.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

我在看这段视频时还注意到，我在这场戏的额头上长了一个巨大的痘痘，肯定是拍第一部电视剧试播集时压力太大造成的。

I also noticed in watching this that I have a giant zit on my forehead in this scene, certainly from the stress of shooting my first TV pilot.

但化妆部门确实很好地把痘痘遮盖住了。

But the makeup department did a a really good job of of blending it.

不过，当然了，我注意到了。

But, of course, I I noticed it.

我也注意到了。

I did notice it.

是的。

Yeah.

谢谢。

Thank you.

没关系。

It's alright.

痘痘就是痘痘，人嘛，很正常。

Zits are zits are human and great.

没错。

True.

还有个奇怪的时尚点，就是韦斯特穿紧身牛仔裤，感觉特别符合这个时代，我很喜欢看到埃尔菲在整个剧集中都穿紧身牛仔裤。

Another weird fashion thing, just West being in skinny jeans feels so of this this era, and I love I love seeing Elfie in skinny jeans, like, throughout the entire episode.

但好吧。

But alright.

所以我们从教室里拉远镜头。

So we zoom out of the classroom.

你知道吗，她透露说，这其实不是一个我们正在研究的旧案子，而是一个她和她的团队正在处理的现行案件。

You know, she reveals that this is actually this is not an old case that we're studying, but an active case that she and her firm are working on.

而且是的。

And Yeah.

他们代表的客户是吉娜，由出色的安德里亚·西格洛夫斯基饰演。

They are representing the client, Gina, played by the incredible Andrea Siglowski.

向琳达·洛伊和维克多的全体演员致敬，因为我认为，在我们讨论的这些剧集中，所有登场的演员都表现得极其出色。

Shout out to Linda Lowey, the cast of Victor, because I think that what we will find throughout all of these episodes that we talk about is that all of the actors that came in were just, like, sensational.

他们都太棒了。

They were all so, so good.

但确实如此。

But yeah.

所以我们立刻进入AK的家。

So we're immediately in AK's house.

嗯。

Mhmm.

我们开始构建这个世界，为吉娜——阿司匹林杀手——打造她的辩护策略。

And we're starting to set up the world that we're gonna help her build their defense for Gina, the aspirin assassin.

这也是我们认识邦妮和弗兰克的地方，他们由丽莎·韦尔和查理·韦伯饰演，深受观众喜爱。

This is also where we meet Bonnie and Frank, played by Liza Weil and Charlie Weber, crowd favorites.

是的

Yeah.

看的时候我还经历了一个奇怪的时刻，心想：天啊。

Which I also had a weird moment watching it where I'm like, oh my gosh.

我们现在年纪和丽莎、查理拍摄试播集时差不多了。

We are now the age that Liza Charlie were filming the pilot.

我确实看了两遍这一集，今天又看了一遍。

That's I was I actually literally have I watched the episode twice, then I I was watching today.

我当时就想，我是不是该去搜一下，有没有什么数学方法能算出他们当时多大？

I was like, I should Google is there a way I could mathematically figure out how they were?

这很有趣。

But that's interesting.

没错。

That's true.

是的

Yeah.

你只需从他们现在的年龄中减去十一年。

You just subtract eleven years from their current age.

对。

Right.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Right.

因为当我身处费城片场和他们在一起时，至少我有这种感觉。

Because I had at least I felt in being in Philly on set with them.

我当时想，哇。

I was like, wow.

他们真的又老又酷。

They're so old and cool.

你知道的？

You know?

就像，他们一直都在，已经很久了

Like, they're like, they've been they've been around like

经验丰富。

Seasoned.

是的。

Yeah.

那些有经验的。

The seasoned.

而现在我仍然觉得自己像个傻乎乎的鹅。

And now I feel still like a silly goose.

所以我也觉得。

So I'm Yeah.

我想知道我们能不能请他们来聊聊，他们当年参与试播集时的经历。

Curious if we can have them on and talk about what their experience was being Yeah.

年纪较大的演员——不是老，而是年纪更大的演员——在试播集中的体验。

Older, not old, but older actors on the pilot.

但是，没错，我们之前聊过的另一件奇怪的事是，场景看起来太棒了。

But, yeah, the other weird thing that I think we talked about is that the sets look so good.

我知道。

I know.

这是费城的一个真实住宅，由场景选址部门找到的，还有那扇彩绘玻璃门。

Like, this is a real house in Philly that they found, the the locations department, and the stained glass door.

真美。

Beautiful.

真的很美。

It was beautiful.

美极了。

Beautiful.

我真想在洛杉矶的公寓里也装一扇这样的彩绘玻璃门。

I I wanted that stained glass door for my apartment in LA.

是的。

Yeah.

我记得。

I remember.

但太不可思议了，一旦我们把剧集搬到洛杉矶，他们竟然能如此出色地搭建布景，完美还原真实地点。

But it's so crazy that once we moved the show to Los Angeles, how incredible they did in building the sets to replicate the actual real location.

所以我一直有这种奇怪的感觉，以为我们真的在洛杉矶。

So that I just kept having these weird moments where I'm like, surely we're in Los Angeles,

我觉得。

which I think

你已经谈过了。

you've spoken to.

是的。

Yeah.

正如我们所说的。

As we're yeah.

我的意思是，我们实际上只在费城待了大约三周。

I mean, it was only basically three weeks that we were in Philadelphia.

而且，我的意思是，我不确定我们在那所真正的房子里待了多久，可能只有几天。

And, I mean, probably I don't know how I don't know how many days in that house, in the actual house, maybe a couple days.

是的。

Yeah.

也许你待得更久一些，因为那晚的谋杀戏份。

Maybe more for you because of the murder night stuff.

然后在洛杉矶又拍了六年，是的。

And then six years of it in LA Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

就在那所房子的同一个室内场景里。

In the same interior of that house.

所以这感觉非常奇怪，有种诡异的恐怖谷效应。

So it's a very it's it's like a weird, uncanny valley kind of, kind of moment.

是的。

Yeah.

百分比，老兄。

Percent, man.

我们马上回来，现在回来了。

We'll be right back, and we're back.

所以，是的，我们到了。

So, yeah, we're there.

阿纳利斯告诉我们，我们要提出辩护策略。

Annalise tells us we're gonna pitch defense strategy.

她安排了一场竞赛，这再次是一个绝佳的设定，让剧情在首集就能持续推进。

She sets up this competition, which is just a great, again, a great device for the pilot and for it to keep moving forward.

她说她会从中挑选四个人去律所工作。

And she says that she's gonna pick four of us to work at the firm.

她展示了这个奖杯，我就在这里拿着。

She introduces the trophy, which I have right here.

走吧。

Let's go.

奖杯。

Trophy.

嘿。

Hey.

不错。

Nice.

你搬家的时候把它带过来了。

He brought it with you in the move.

带过来了。

Brought it.

我还有它。

I still have it.

我喜欢这个。

I love that.

是的。

Yeah.

我的存放在储藏室里。

Mine's in storage.

是的。

Yeah.

我想我在搬家时把秤弄丢了。

I think I lost the the scales in one of the moves.

是的。

Yeah.

天啊。

Man.

但我们是被赠予的。

But we were given that.

我不确定这是否是说唱礼物的一部分，但我们每个人都收到了。

I don't know if was part of a rap gift or not, but we were all given

是的。

Yeah.

这是第一季结束时皮特给的。

It was it was from Pete at the end of season one.

他给了我们一张小纸条，上面写着：在我的班上，每个人都能得到一个奖杯，这真的很暖心。

He he gave us a little note that said, in my class, everyone gets a trophy, which was really sweet.

哎呀。

Aw.

我喜欢这个。

I love that.

这真的太暖心了。

That is really sweet.

好吧。

Alright.

所以我们离开了AK的家。

So we leave AK's house.

我们立刻去了韦斯和丽贝卡的公寓楼。

We immediately go to Wes and Rebecca's apartment building.

嗯。

Mhmm.

我们见到了丽贝卡，由出色的凯蒂·芬利饰演。

We we meet Rebecca, played by the incredible Katie Finley.

是的。

Yes.

她将作为嘉宾出现在播客中。

Who will be a guest on the pod.

她在剧中表现得太棒了。

They are so good in this.

他们一出场，我就立刻完全相信了他们。

They are immediately, I see them on screen, and I think I I believe them a 100%.

完全没错。

Totally.

我认为这真的很难做到，因为丽贝卡这个角色很容易被塑造成某种刻板印象，但凯蒂赋予了这个角色极大的真实感和细腻感，而且非常到位。

Which I think is really hard to do because that role, the role of Rebecca could be sort of this, I don't know, like, broad, like, stereotype of this type of person, and Katie brings such a intensity and specificity and Yeah.

真实感十足。

Honesty to it.

完全正确。

Totally.

是的。

Yeah.

我对此印象深刻。

I'm really impressed by it.

把它带到了工作中。

Kept it at work.

完全正确。

Totally.

是的。

Yeah.

他们的标志性冷幽默也完美地融入其中。

And their signature sort of dry wit, like, also just, like, just slots, like, perfectly perfectly into it as well.

我完全同意。

Couldn't agree more.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

让我感到惊讶的是，我正在看的时候，心想：韦斯的卧室里到底发生了什么？

The the one thing that bumped me in this is that we like, I'm watching, and I'm like, what's going on in Wes's bedroom?

墙上有一些咬痕和抓痕。

There's, like, bite marks and scratch marks on the wall.

我完全不记得有这回事。

I have no recollection of this at all.

真的吗？

Really?

会回来吗？

Does it come back?

嗯，我不认为我可能错了。

Well, I don't I don't think that the I could be wrong.

我不觉得这个情节设定会再出现。

I don't think that that plot device comes back.

但后来在剧里，我觉得是不是有人住进了他的公寓？

But but later in the show, I think, doesn't someone else end up in his apartment?

我记得我忘了它到底是什么，但我记得自己在那个房间里，只是觉得：天啊，那是什么？

And I remember I forgot about what I forgot about it being in the and I think I remember being in the in the in the room itself and just, like, being like, like, what the hell is that?

抛开这个不谈，我只是很好奇，你知道的，会是什么样的性行为。

Forget about But I just have to wonder, you know, what kind of sexual acts.

完全没错。

Totally.

谁会这么富有探索精神呢？我只是很难想象这得需要什么情况。

Who's, you know, been very exploratory and, you know, I just I'm just having a hard time picturing what it would take.

床头板上有咬痕。

Bite marks on the headboards.

是的。

Yeah.

有点像地牢的氛围。

It's giving dungeon vibes a bit.

确实如此。

It is.

但咬痕在……我的意思是，那里肯定发生过什么特别的事。

But bite marks in the I mean, it's you know, there's something special that went on there.

我觉得那可能衍生出一档关于那起诉讼的衍生剧。

I think that's like a that there's like a spin off show about that, the lawsuit that was in there.

当然。

Sure.

当然。

Sure.

哦，原来如此。

Oh, that's what it was.

井里还有另一个法学院的学生，如果以后再提到，我们会再聊，但这件事让我印象深刻。

There was another law student in the well, what we'll we'll visit that if it comes back, but that just bumped for me.

我真的很惊讶。

I was really taken aback.

这对粉丝来说是不错的内幕信息。

So this is good intel for the fans.

我们用一个叫‘poppy pop’的术语。

We we use this term called poppy pop.

poppy pop。

Poppy pop.

我只是记得

I just remember

那个。

that.

还记得poppy pop吗？

Remember poppy pop?

是的。

Yeah.

所以你在屏幕上看到这些剪辑，它们几乎就像一种‘pop pop’，突然跳到‘夜行动’的未来场景。

So you you see it on screen, these edits that they use that almost, like, feel like a pop pop where we flash forward into Night Acts, the the future.

因此，剧本中常常会写明：‘pop’到AK的家，这正是我们从Wes和Rebecca的场景切换过去的方式。

And so it would often be it would often be written into future scripts saying pop we pop the pop to AK's house, which is exactly what we do from Wes and Rebecca's.

我们跳到未来，然后看到我们在处理尸体。

We pop the pop forward, and you see us wrapping up the body.

哇哦。

Whoo.

我们现在得赶在前面了，因为我在Reddit上看到一个大问题。

And we we gotta get ahead of this now because this was a big question I saw on Reddit.

人们在问：我们当时知道多少？

People were asking, how much did we know?

也就是说，你们当时拿到了多少集的剧本？

Like, what what number of scripts were we given?

我们当时对后续剧情知道多少？

How much information did we have going forward?

答案是知道得非常少。

And the answer is very little.

通常来说，我们只拥有每一集剧本里的信息。

Like, we typically only had the information in any given script.

确实如此。

So Totally.

我们在拍摄试播集时就知道凶手是汤姆·维里卡饰演的萨姆·基廷。

We did know while filming the pilot that it was Sam Keating, played by Tom Verica Right.

那就是尸体，你知道的。

That is dead, you know, is the body.

对。

Right.

但如果

But if it

但那只是因为这发生在该集的结尾。

But only because that's what happens in the end of the episode.

仅仅因为真相在那时被揭露了

Only because it's revealed

就在那一集中。

in that episode.

是的。

Yeah.

这就是真相的揭露

It's the reveal

如果那集没有揭露这一点，我们就不会知道。

that If it wasn't revealed in that episode, you would not we would not have known that.

是的。

Yeah.

没错。

Exactly.

如果这件事没有在这一集中出现，而是在未来的剧集中才发生，那么我们通常也是不知道的。

If it's not in the episode and it and it happens in future episodes, generally, we did not know.

这肯定会是我们接下来要讨论的大话题，但我只是想提前说一下。

This is gonna be a big thing we talk about, I'm sure, but I just wanted to get ahead of that.

是的。

Yeah.

所以，我们正在收尾萨姆·基廷的尸体这条线。

So we are wrapping up, you know, Sam Keating's body.

显然，观众还不知道这一点。

Obviously, the audience doesn't know that yet.

由肖兰德的常客汤姆·维里卡饰演。

Played by Shondaland favorite, Tom Verica.

汤姆·维里卡。

Tom Verica.

向汤姆·维里卡致敬。

Shout out Tom Verica.

执导过多部Shondaland剧集的集数。

Directed many episodes of many Shondaland shows.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

他现在是Shondaland所有作品的制作导演。

He is the producing director of all of Shondaland now.

他说得对。

He's he's right.

哇。

Wow.

没错。

That's right.

我也曾被误认为是他，被人认出来时，这挺有意思的。

And I have been mistaken for him before when being recognized as well, which is interesting.

酷。

Cool.

是的。

Yeah.

有意思。

Interesting.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

汤姆·巴拉卡也可能来自费城，也许吧。

Tom Barracka also might be from Philly, maybe.

哦，有意思。

Oh, interesting.

这也值得一提，因为我们现在在费城，但像我们这些人之前都没在费城待过。

Which is also I mean, if worth noting that we are in Philadelphia and, like, none of us had spent any time in Philadelphia.

是的。

Yeah.

而且当你像这样到外景地拍摄时，就像去夏令营一样，你被直接扔进一个国家或世界上的随机城市，我们当时就在到处乱跑。

And that these are you know, when you go and shoot anything on location like this, it's it's sort of like summer camp where you're just, like, plopped into a random city in the country or world, and we were just running around.

你知道的？

You know?

我们当时在拍各种车祸场面。

And we're taking we're taking wrecks.

我记得有几个大学时的朋友从小在费城长大，所以我们就在城里到处逛。

I remember I had a couple buddies from college that had grown up in Philly, and so we were just, you know, moving around.

就像你曾经参加过某种过夜班级旅行，住进酒店，但可能有监护人盯着，所以你不能像平时那样放肆胡闹。

It's like the feeling of, like, if you've ever been on, like, I think an overnight class trip somewhere and you get to stay in a hotel and except maybe they had chaperone, so you couldn't really, you know, act wild the way you otherwise would.

对。

Yeah.

那种感觉就是这样。

That that was kind of the the vibe of it.

是的。

Yeah.

我们的制片人刚刚确认，汤姆·巴雷特出生于1964年5月13日，地点是费城。

Our producer just confirmed that Tom Barrackett was born on 05/13/1964 in Philadelphia.

所以我早就知道他是费城的骄傲子弟。

So I knew I knew he was a proud son of Philly.

真不错。

Nice.

所以我在想，我们有没有从他那儿得到什么内部消息。

So I I wonder if we had gotten any hot tips from him.

我们很可能得到了。

We probably did.

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得我们除了工作之外，没多少时间在外面活动。

I don't think we I feel like we didn't have a whole lot of time outside of working.

至少你和我享受夜晚外出，作为夜生活的人，但我感觉我们没多少时间做其他很多事情。

At least you and I enjoyed going out in in during the night being men of the night, but but I feel like we didn't have a whole lot of time to do a bunch of other stuff.

至少，我不确定。

At least, I don't know.

我当时非常投入，嗯，反复琢磨剧本。

I was, like, pretty locked into, like Yeah.

你知道的，一遍又一遍地打磨剧本。

You know, going over and over and over on the script.

我的意思是，在我们开拍前的那一周，我们确实多了一些社交活动。

I mean, the week leading up to us filming, we definitely were socializing a little bit more.

对。

Right.

这一点值得注意。

Which worth noting.

我觉得这对我很有启发，因为你之前因《新黑人》而出名。

I like, that was very illuminating for me because you were famous from versus the new black.

所以那真的确实是。

And so it was really yeah.

出去和你一起，看到人们过来认出你、喜欢这部剧，真的特别奇怪。

It was really bizarre to go out and be with you and see people come up and recognize you and be fans of the show.

是的。

Yeah.

那一直如此。

It was constant.

那时候也一直如此，这相当

It was really constant at that point too, which was pretty

疯狂。

wild.

顺便问一下，我们讲过冰淇淋的故事了吗？

Did we did we tell the story about the ice cream, by the way, yet?

我记不清了。

I can't remember.

我觉得我们没讲过。

I don't think we did.

我不记得了。

I don't know.

有一次，我们所有人都聚在一起。

There was one moment we were we were all, like, together.

我不记得了。

And I don't know.

不知怎么的，我们聊到了冰淇淋。

Somehow we were talking about ice cream.

我觉得，通过冰淇淋派对，我们的冰淇淋社交活动成了一个一贯的主题。

I think with the ice cream parties, our ice cream socials were like a a consistent theme.

然后不知怎么的，我给本和杰瑞斯发了一条推文，他们就回复说：关注我们吧。

And then somehow I tweeted something to Ben and Jerry's, and then they were like, follow us.

我们有东西要给你。

We have something for you.

于是我关注了他们，然后我回去看了看，还能看到那些私信。

And so I followed them, and I just I went back and looked, there's I can still see the DMs.

他们最终给我们寄了一个冰淇淋蛋糕。

They ended up sending us a an ice cream cake.

他们把一个冰淇淋蛋糕送到酒店，太棒了，而且这也很有意思，因为当你有一定的影响力时，就会收到免费的东西，我们之前当然也聊过这个，就是纸杯蛋糕理论。

Like, delivered an ice cream cake to the hotel that was awesome and, you know, also was interesting because, you know, with a certain level of presence, you get free things, which obviously we talked about it at some point, the cupcake theory.

当然。

Sure.

是的。

Yeah.

之前聊过这个。

Talked about at some point.

但当时是啊，没错。

But it was oh, yeah.

那真是一个很有趣的时刻。

That was a really fun that was a fun moment.

我们只是都在享受这一切。

We're all just, like, enjoying it.

而且

And

是的。

Yeah.

我想在我们第一次吃冰淇淋的那个晚上，我不太记得清楚了，但我有一张照片，照片里我穿着酒店的浴袍，戴着一顶针织帽

I think on I think on our first ice cream night, it was I don't remember this clearly, but I have a photo of it of me in the hotel robe wearing I'm wearing, like, a beanie

嗯。

Mhmm.

还穿着我那时候最喜欢的复古衬衫。

And, like, one of my favorite vintage shirts from the time.

我觉得我没穿裤子。

And I'm not I don't think I'm wearing pants.

我觉得我只穿了内裤之类的。

I think I'm wearing, like, boxers or something.

我们当时在酒店房间里，我正在分发本杰瑞的冰淇淋，因为那时候本杰瑞还没给我们送冰淇淋蛋糕，那事儿后来才发生。

And I'm we're in one of our hotel rooms, and I'm handing out pints of Ben and Jerry's because this is before Ben and Jerry's sent us the the ice cream cake, which shut up to Ben and Jerry's.

是的。

Yeah.

但我想我们那时候已经把所有冰淇淋都吃完了，所以我主动提出出去再买一些。

But I we had, like I think we had already eaten all of our ice cream, and so I volunteered to go out and buy more ice cream.

那时候大概是凌晨两点左右。

And it was, like, 2AM or something.

我过街去买冰淇淋。

And I go across the street to buy ice cream.

我回来的时候，彼得·诺瓦克——我们节目的创作者——正要回酒店或者在大堂里，而我穿着酒店的浴袍，没穿裤子，戴着一顶针织帽，看起来简直疯了，手里还拎着一袋冰淇淋。

And as I'm coming back, Pete Nowak, who is our boss, the creator of the show, is getting back or he's in the lobby maybe of the hotel, and I just walk in in the hotel bathrobe, no pants, wearing a wearing a beanie, looking absolutely nuts, just holding a bag full of pints of ice cream.

他看了我一眼，我想他可能是走错路了。

And he looked at me, I think, like, he had made a mistake in passing me.

但以我对彼得的了解，他可能只是有点担心。

But I Probably concern knowing Pete, yeah, probably just concern.

是的

Yeah.

是的

Yeah.

是的

Yeah.

没错。

Exactly.

他为什么打算吃掉七盒冰淇淋？

Why is he about why is this person about to eat seven pints of ice cream?

对。

Right.

对。

Right.

答案是否定的。

The answer was no.

不好。

Not okay.

是的。

Yeah.

但它是

But It's

不好。

not okay.

是的。

Yeah.

无论如何，我们得回到这一集，因为它太精彩了。

Anyway, so we we gotta get back to this episode because it's too good.

但我们快把这具尸体收尾了。

But we we're wrapping up the body.

我们在开始录制之前就讨论过这个了。

We you and I were talking about this before we started recording.

我们记不清当时在包什么了，因为那不是汤姆·韦里卡。

We couldn't remember what was being wrapped up because it wasn't Tom Verica.

他们并没有让我们只是穿过树林去爱汤姆·韦里卡，对吧。

Like, they weren't having us just love Tom Verica in through the woods and Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

当然。

Sure.

因为我的记忆力太差了，而且这事发生在十一年前，所以我给朋友打了电话。

And so I because my memory is so bad, and this was eleven years ago, I phoned a friend.

我联系了埃尔菲和阿什诺米·金。

I hit up both Elfie and Ashnomie King.

嗯。

Uh-huh.

他们俩都认为那是一个假人。

And both of them think that it was a mannequin.

所以因为它很重。

So because it was heavy.

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，模特儿还挺重的。

I mean, mannequins are pretty heavy.

是的。

Yeah.

模特儿是有一定重量的。

Mannequins have some weight to them.

所以我觉得更可能是它只是不太方便搬运，对吧。

So I think that it was I think it was more that it was just, like, un unwieldy Right.

对。

Right.

对。

Right.

很难，不管那个词是什么，就是很难搬动。

It was hard whatever that word is, it was hard to carry.

就像沙袋那么重。

It's like sandbag weight sort of.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

可以说就是死重。

One could say deadweight.

但没错。

But yeah.

所以我就不明白了。

So then I don't get it.

我只是，是的。

I'm just Yeah.

我们离开时被保安拦住了。

We we then get stopped by the security guard as we leave.

嗯。

Mhmm.

我喜欢这种语气的转变，米凯拉突然站出来，立刻编了个理由解释我们为什么在屋里，而康纳说了句：这姑娘整晚跑哪儿去了？

I love this this, like, tonal shift where Mikaela kinda steps up and and immediately goes to lie about why we're in the house, and Conor has this line, where the hell has that girl been all night?

对。

Right.

我就觉得这个特别有意思。

I just that that's really tasty to me.

确实。

It is.

是的。

Yeah.

你看到她了，我的意思是，她在这种高风险时刻总是能如此恰当地挺身而出。

You see her, like I mean, she does, like, step in in so many clutch ways in, like, high stakes moments like that.

所以这确实很有趣。

So it is it is interesting.

再说一次，你第一次见到米凯拉时

Again, you it's like the first moment you see Mikaela

是的。

Yeah.

在做那件事。

Doing that.

我觉得，你知道，真的

I think You know, like, really

没错。

Exactly.

是的。

Yeah.

另外，我看完试播集后给亚洲发了消息。

Also, Asia, I texted her after watching the pilot.

对我来说，亚洲一出场就完全是明星气质。

Asia to me, like, is immediately a star, like, on screen in this.

是的。

Yeah.

而且没错。

And Yeah.

所以我觉得，编剧们应该是根据我们的优势来写的。

So I think that, like, we'll we'll talk a lot about how the writers, I think, started writing to our strengths.

完全正确。

And Totally.

我觉得米凯拉越来越擅长把握时机，甚至非常善于操控局面。

I think Mikaela becomes so good at, you know, kind of rising to the occasion and and and being manipulative, really.

因为亚洲有一种天生的明星气质，真的非常吸引人。

Because Asia has just this, like, star quality that is really it's it's really captivating.

你知道的？

You know?

是的。

Yeah.

所以在那一刻，你完全对。

So in that moment, like, you you're totally right.

这是我们第一次看到米凯拉这么做，这很酷。

It's sort of the first time we see Mikayla do that, which is cool.

然后我们立刻回到课堂，大家开始展示自己的辩护。

And then we immediately go back to class where we're presenting our defenses.

被候补名单的人不得不最后一个上，处境真不妙。

Poor waitlist has to go last in unenviable position.

我一看，马特，你真是太有趣了。

And immediately, Matt, I'm watching this, and you are so funny.

我记得拍摄这段时，整个教室里都是群演，你让大家笑个不停。

And I remember I remember too when we were filming this, you know, whole classroom full of background actors, and you were making everyone crack up.

这很有趣。

It was funny.

我超喜欢这一点。

I love that.

当时就是啊。

It was yeah.

这是我拍摄试播集时的一个核心回忆。

It's like a core memory I have of filming the pilot.

这太棒了。

And That's so cool.

我觉得真正的区别在于，像你有《橘子是新的黑》这样的经验，拍这部剧时比像我这样几乎没怎么拍过戏的人更有活力。

Really the difference too, I think of, like, you know, having that experience, like, being on Orange is the New Black and coming into this with with a little bit more pep in your step than, you know, someone like me that really hadn't worked that much.

是的。

Yeah.

这也挺有意思的。

It's interesting too.

对吧？

Right?

因为我们很可能是在同一天拍摄了那些场景，也就是维奥拉说《逍遥法外》的那些片段。

Because we probably filmed that those scenes the same day we filmed the scenes that how to get away Viola saying how to get away with murder.

对吧？

Right?

因为从观众的角度来看，只要你身处同一个地点，比如那个教室，你就会尽量把所有能安排的内容都堆进去。

Because, like, for the audience perspective, again, anytime you're in the same location, you know, like, which is that classroom, you're trying to, like, stack everything you can in that.

对吧？

Right?

这样你就不用来回奔波了。

So you're not having to go back and forth.

但我记得，我觉得那可能是我拍摄的第一天，或者差不多是那天；我记得当时刚来《女子监狱》时，和扮演霍恩斯塔奇的帕布罗·施雷伯一起工作，看到他在那个角色里表现得非常幽默，还自由发挥了很多。

But I I remember I think that was one of, like, I don't know if that was the my first day of shooting might have been, but I feel like I remember coming in and on Orange is New Black, I remember working with Pablo Schreiber who played Hornstache and seeing him as kind of a comedic character in that take a lot of, like, liberty.

我记得他总会做一些让我觉得‘天啊，这怎么回事？’的事情，然后我看剧本时就会特别困惑。

And I remember being he would do do things that I was like and then I'd look at the script and I'd be like, I'm so confused.

这到底出现在哪里？到底发生了什么？

Like, what where is this on like, what's happening?

哦，是的。

Oh, yeah.

但后来我明白了，他在做他该做的事。

But then I realized, I'm like, oh, he's doing the thing.

你知道的，他就是在占据一些空间。

You know, he's like taking up some space.

我记得刚开始时想着，我觉得我应该这么做。

And I remember going into it thinking like, I think that this is what I should do.

一开始，我想着要仔细斟酌我的选择。

And initially, I wanted to, you know, kind of like vet my choices.

当我拍《女子监狱》的时候，我感觉要拘谨得多。

You know, when I was on Oranges New Black, I felt much more timid.

对吧？

Right?

而且你知道，我当时也在那个剧里，是常驻或可能常驻的配角，这对观众来说是完全不同的概念。

And also, you know, I was even on that show, I was a recurring possibly recurring costar, which is a very different thing for the audience.

那就像你只演五句台词，然后可能再回来一次。

That's like your kind of build at, like, five lines and to maybe come back.

然后在第二季的某个时候，我变成了常驻特邀演员。

And then at some point in the second season became a recurring guest star.

但这是我第一次在《如何摆脱谋杀案》中成为系列常驻演员。

But this is my first time being a series regular on How to Get With Murder.

是的。

Yeah.

而且你知道，我基本上想做的就是创造很多创作空间，类似于先行动后道歉，而不是先请示再行动。

And, you know, I felt basically, what I wanted to do was kinda create a lot of creative room, sort of like ask for forgiveness rather than ask for permission.

所以我总是想，每次拍摄都尽量做点不一样的东西。

So I was like and and I always want to I try to, like, do something different in every take.

我觉得当我真正投入我想做的工作时，就让剪辑师去把它们整合成他们想要的样子，这样能保持新鲜感。

Think when I'm really, like, doing the work I wanna do, and then kinda let the editor put it together into what they want, but it keeps it fresh.

这让内容更有趣。

It keeps it interesting.

这让一切更显自然 spontaneity。

It keeps it spontaneous.

但我记得刚来的时候，我就想试试看能不能一鸣惊人，尽可能多地提供各种选择。

But I remember coming in and and just being like, let me like kinda try and blow the doors off and present as many options as possible.

我只是在创造一种，我该怎么形容呢？

And I'm just creating like a large how do I describe it?

就是一种广阔的潜在可能性，而不是从小处着手再慢慢扩展。

Just like a a vast possibility of potential rather than like starting small and then trying to like work my way out.

所以是的。

So Yeah.

那就是我当时真实的做法。

That was me in real time doing that.