527：有效性 vs. 效率

但话说回来，它还是在我家里。

But again, it's still in my house.

它还是没有个固定的地方。

Again, it still doesn't have a home.

我一直拖着没做这个决定。

I have delayed making this decision.

我觉得自己挺有理的，因为我给它起了个名字叫“保留箱”或者“时间旅馆箱”。

I feel justified because I called it a keep box or I called it a time hotel box.

但实际情况是，

But the reality is.

这对我来说没什么用，因为我的保留箱就堆在车库里。

It's not effective for me because I keep boxes just sit in my garage.

这些年我翻过好多保留箱，里面都是十年前或者二十年前我塞进去的东西。

I have gone through so many keep boxes over the years of things that I stuck in a keep box twenty years before or ten years before.

到现在我已经很清楚它们对我没用，但就是觉得特别有吸引力。

To the point where I now know they don't work for me, but they feel so appealing.

为什么？

Why?

因为感觉这样很高效，感觉我能更快搞定这件事，但实际上并没有，因为那东西还在我家里，现在只是被塞进了某个不知名的箱子里。

Because it feels like it's efficient, because it feels like I'm going to get this done faster, except that I'm not because that thing is still in my house and now it's in some random box somewhere.

也许我给它贴了标签什么的，但它还是躺在某个箱子里。

And maybe I have a maybe I have it labeled and all that kind stuff, but it's still in a box somewhere.

而且我的房子并没有变得更好打理，因为——

And my house is not getting easier to manage because.

那些东西还在那儿。

That stuff is still there.

我的东西还是多到应付不过来。

I still have more stuff than I can handle.

所以归根结底，这方法对你管用吗？

And so so it comes down to does it work for you?

我明白，玩具轮换、保留箱、还有“时间会证明”这些想法听起来都挺好的，就像在说“对，这主意不错”。

I get that the idea of toy rotation and the idea of a keep box and the idea of time will tell is all this stuff that's like, yes, that sounds like a great idea.

因为感觉做决定，停下来做一个真正合理的决定，

Because it feels like making the decision, stopping to make a real legitimate decision.

感觉像是在浪费时间。

Feels like I'm wasting time.

为什么？

Why?

因为做决定很难，做决定让我感到不知所措，让我觉得卡住了。

Because making a decision is hard and making a decision makes me feel overwhelmed and it makes me just feel stuck.

所以如果我能直接把它移到这边，不做决定，那感觉更高效，因为我已经移动了它，但如果我移动了它，它并没有真正放到一个固定的地方，那我并没有真正整理好。

So if I can just go ahead and move it over here and not make a decision that feels more efficient because I've moved it except that if I've moved it and it didn't actually go to a real home, I haven't decluttered it.

所以，这并不有效。

And so therefore, this is not effective.

因此，这也不高效。

Therefore, it's not efficient.

好的，那把这个排除掉，我该怎么判断保留箱对你来说是否高效呢？

Okay, so taking that out and saying I have to do how do you know if keep boxes are efficient for you?

去你放保留箱的地方看看，数一数有多少个，有多少已经放了好一阵子了。

Go look in whatever space where you would put a keep box and see how many are there and how many have been there for a while.

这样你就知道了，其实挺简单的。

That's how, you know, it's actually pretty easy.

去看看那个地方。

Go and look at that space.

然后说，对，我就是把保留箱放这儿，然后去看看，说，哦，这些箱子里的东西都放了好几年了。

And say, yeah, this is where I put keep boxes and go and look and say, oh, there's stuff in boxes that has been there for years.

感觉上好像更高效。

It feels more efficient.

其实并没有更高效，因为并没有更有效。

It is not more efficient because it is not more effective.

因为如果这些东西接下来二十年就只是放在箱子里。

Because if it's just going to sit in a box for the next twenty years.

那就不算高效。

That's not efficient.

因为你的房子实际上并没有变得更好。

Because your house isn't actually getting any better.

那你怎么做呢？

So how do you do this?

好的。

Okay.

所以，在我的反拖延流程和新书里，你可以去 danak.white.com/procrastinate 看看。

So in my anti procrastination process and my new book, you can go to danak.white.com/procrastinate.

如果你现在正在听这个播客，你会在节目结尾听到。

There is if you're listening to this in real time, you are going to hear at the end of this podcast.

如果你在YouTube上看，你可以点击视频描述里的链接。

If you're watching on YouTube, you can click the link in the description of the video.

但你会听到关于如何预购、如何领取预购奖励、为什么预购这么重要等等所有的细节。

But you're going to hear like all the ins and outs of how to preorder and how to claim preorder bonuses and why preorders matter so much and all that.

但我确实有这本关于拖延症的书要出版。

But I have this book about procrastination coming out.

那么，面对一个让人不知所措的情况，还能高效应对，这到底是什么样的呢？

Well, what does it look like to face an overwhelming situation and actually be efficient?

好，我们来聊聊效率。

Well, we're going to talk about Effectiveness.

好的，那我们就把它拆解成小步骤。

Okay, so we're going to break it down into small steps.

我知道你已经听过无数遍了。

And I know that you've heard a million times.

就做下一件小事。

Just do the next small thing.

很好。

Great.

但我为自己创建了一套反拖延流程，而且其他人也开始用了。

But I have created an anti procrastination process for myself to use and that others are starting to use.

我希望你读完这本书后也能用起来。

And I hope you will use when you read the book.

但这个流程会告诉你，那些小步骤到底是什么？

But this process tells you what are those small steps?

好的，前三个步骤就是“看”。

Okay, and the first three steps are look.

不带任何承诺地看，我不打算对它采取任何行动。

Noncommittal look, I'm not going to do anything with it.

我把“看”当作一个合理的步骤，因为如果我连看都没看，那肯定还没开始。

I'm going to count looking as a legitimate step because if I haven't even looked, I definitely haven't started.

但一旦我看了，奇怪的是我的大脑就开始运转了。

But once I look, it's strange how my brain starts to go.

哦，好的，看是一个合理的步骤。

Oh, Okay, looking is a legitimate step.

看是既高效又有效的。

It is efficient and effective to look.

如果我在真正面对问题、正视自己的处境之前就制定计划，那我怎么能真正处理这件事呢？

If I am making a plan before I've ever actually looked at the problem head on face on looked at my own situation, how I can actually deal with this.

我没法高效，因为我不知道问题到底是什么，所以也就没法有效。

I can't be efficient because I can't be effective because I don't actually know what the problem is.

好，所以我可以先看看，然后再做计划。

Okay, so I can go ahead and look before I ever make a plan.

第二步，做简单的事，做那些我已经知道该做的事。

Step two, do the easy stuff, do the stuff I already know to do.

我会把这些做完。

I'm going to get that done.

不是把它列在计划里，而是直接去做。

Not putting it on a plan, but actually going ahead and doing it.

第三步，不带承诺的尝试。

Step three, non committal experimentation.

我一直在说这个，我想在最近两期播客里我都提过。

I've been talking about that, I think in the last two podcasts I've mentioned it.

但这种不带承诺的尝试对很多人来说都是一种解脱，包括我自己，因为我会想，我要去试试看。

But this non committal experimentation is such freedom for so many people, me included, because I'm like, I am going to experiment.

我给自己一个学习的机会。

I am giving myself permission to learn.

如果我尝试了某个方法，发现它不好用、不奏效，那我也算学到了东西。

And if I learn that something I tried is not good and doesn't work, I count that as learning.

然后我就想，好，我现在知道了以前不知道的事情。

And I'm like, okay, I know something now that I didn't know before.

等到我真正列出计划、制定方案去完成这个项目的时候，我已经是另一个人了。

And then by the time I make my list, out, my make my plan for how to actually finish this project, I am a different person.

我对这个让人头疼的项目的看法也完全不一样了。

And my perspective on this overwhelming project is completely different.

我知道自己在面对什么了。

I know what I'm dealing with.

我手头有实际的东西了。

I have actual in front of me.

我确切地知道哪些方法有效，哪些无效。

I know for a fact what some things that do work and some things that don't work.

而且这个项目比一开始我还没看的时候小多了。

And this project is so much smaller than it was way back here before I even looked.

它小多了，因为我先把容易的事情做完了。

It's so much smaller because I did the easy stuff.

很多时候，我知道有些事情必须得做。

And so many times there are things I know I have to do.

所以如果我先把那些事情做了，做完之后我就可以制定计划了，但先做计划感觉更高效。

And so if I will go ahead and do those things, I am ready to make my plan after I do those things, but it feels efficient to make my plan first.

但如果你面对的是一个让人不知所措的情况，不管是杂乱无章，还是职业上的事情，不管是什么，如果你面对一个让人不知所措的情况，你说我需要坐下来制定一个计划，我想问你一个问题。

But if you're facing an overwhelming situation, whether that be clutter, whether that be, you know, a career thing, whatever it is, if you're facing an overwhelming situation and you say, what I need to do is sit down and make a plan, I wanna ask you this.

你以前这么做过吗？

Have you ever done that before?

你有没有制定过计划，然后又弄丢了那个计划？

Have you ever made a plan and then lost that plan that you made?

你有没有开始制定计划，然后变得特别不知所措？

Have you ever started to make a plan and then got so overwhelmed?

以至于你放弃了制定计划。

That you stopped making the plan.

因为如果这件事已经困扰你很久，你也拖延了很久，那么很有可能。

Because if it's something that's been weighing you on you for a long time that you've been procrastinating on for a long time, there is a pretty decent chance.

这不是你第一次考虑制定计划了。

But this is not the first time you've thought about making a plan.

不管是在脑子里计划，还是在纸上计划，或者在一个大大的Trello板上计划。

Whether it's in your head, you're making a plan or on paper, you're making a plan or on a big old Trello board that you're making a plan.

所以在制定计划之前，你可以做很多事情。

So there's a lot you can do before you ever make a plan.

好消息是，很多曾经让我感到不知所措的事情。

And the good news is so many things that felt overwhelming.

我其实在第一步到第三步就已经完成了。

I'm actually done with by steps one through three.

就像，我已经搞定了。

Like, I'm done.

我只需要正面面对它，先做简单的事情，继续做简单的事情，并且不带承诺地去尝试，然后突然间我就完成了。

All I needed to do was face it head on, do the easy stuff, keep doing the easy stuff and noncommittally experiment, and then all of a sudden I'm done.

但即使你没有完成所有事情，你也处于一个更好的位置来制定一个真正高效的计划，因为你已经知道什么有效，什么无效。

But even when you don't, even when that doesn't finish everything, you are in such a better position to create an actual efficient plan because you already know what is effective and what's not effective.

好的。

Okay.

所以，把效率当作执念往往会适得其反。

So efficiency as an obsession tends to backfire for us.

如果你现在因为追求效率而抗拒去做，你需要评估你一直以来的做法是否真的有效。

If you are resisting take it there now in the name of efficiency, you need to assess the actual effectiveness of doing it the way that you've been doing it.

你最终是不是像我说的那样，弄得一团糟？

Do you end up with the bigger mess that I talk about?

这就是为什么它被称为“无混乱整理法”。

That's the reason it's called the no mess decluttering process.

你最终是不是需要重新做决定？

Do you end up having to remake decisions?

你会不会因为要重新做决定而感到沮丧，因为之前被压得喘不过气，隔了太久，都忘了当初是怎么决定的？

Do you get frustrated at the idea of having to remake decisions because you forgot what the decision was before because it's been so long since you got overwhelmed?

然后现在你又回到这个项目，面对这种情况，不得不重新做决定，你就想，哎，谁在乎呢？

Well, and now you're back to this project and you're in this situation and you have to remake that decision and you just go, oh, who cares?

然后你就把所有东西又塞回去了。

And you shove it all back in.

要根据你已完成的事情的实际效果来评估效率。

Assess the efficiency according to the effectiveness of what you have already done.

如果它没有效果，如果它并没有真正让你的房子更容易打理，

And if it is not effective, it's if it's not actually making your house easier to manage.

那它就不算高效。

Then it's not efficient.

即使从纸面上看，它似乎应该是高效的。

Even if the idea of it on paper feels like it should be efficient.

好的。

Okay.

好的。

Alright.

希望这些对你有帮助。

I hope that was helpful.

希望你能听明白。

I hope it makes sense.

也希望你觉得自己被理解了。

And I hope you feel understood.

我的目的不是要说，嘿，你做事效率不高。

Like, my goal is not to be like, hey, you're not being efficient.

那不是我的目的。

That's not my goal.

从来都不是。

It's never my goal.

我的目的是想说，我懂你。

My goal is to say, I get it.

我一直在跟这个作斗争。

I fought against this forever.

还有一件事。

Here's the other thing too.

关于能量，有句话是这么说的。

One of the things that said about energy.

那句话怎么说来着？

What does say?

效率意味着产生想要的结果。

Efficiency means producing a desired result.

对。

Okay.

所以，我是不是在用最少的浪费来完成工作并得到结果？

So am I getting the results or not of doing work with the least amount of waste?

我不想浪费时间、金钱、精力，或者时间。

I don't wanna waste time, expense, effort, or time.

要珍惜你的情绪能量。

Value your emotional energy.

我知道体力是有限的。

I understand that physical energy is limited.

时间也是有限的。

Physical time or time is limited.

但情绪能量同样要珍惜。

But value your emotional energy.

要珍惜那些不需要做决定就能完成的事情。

Value the decision free steps.

在整理时，那些是垃圾，我们说的不是需要做决定的东西。

With decluttering, it's trash, and we're not talking about anything that requires a decision.

我们说的是那些我们已经知道是垃圾的东西。

We're saying stuff we already know is trash.

我们说的是那些我已经知道怎么处理、不需要做决定的简单事情。

We're saying easy stuff that I already know what to do with doesn't require a decision.

明显的捐赠物就是那些不需要做决定的捐赠物。

Obvious donations are obvious donations that don't require a decision.

如果你没有任何不需要做决定的东西，那就进入下一步。

If you don't have anything that doesn't require a decision, then you move on to the next step.

但是，尽可能多地清除那些不需要做决定的东西，就是在尊重情感能量这一事实。

But eliminating as many things as you can that don't require a decision honors the fact that emotional energy.

情感能量是宝贵的资源。

Is a precious commodity.

要高效，要保护你的情感能量，最好的方式就是。

And being efficient being protective of your emotional energy, the best way to do that.

先把那些不需要做决定的事情做了，而且做这些不需要决定的事情。

Is to go ahead and do anything that doesn't require a decision, but also doing the things that don't require a decision.

意味着你已经开始了。

Means you've started.

这意味着，原本让你感到不堪重负的整体事情现在小了很多，这样完成它所需的情感能量也就更少了。

It means that the overall thing that overwhelmed you is now significantly smaller, which then requires less emotional energy to then get it done.

感觉答案就是

It feels like the answer.

逼自己尽快开始行动。

Is to work myself up to work as fast as possible.

但上次我拼命赶工的时候，其实并没取得什么实质进展，反而比之前状态更糟了。

But when that feels like the answer, okay, last time I worked as fast as possible, I didn't actually make real progress because I ended up worse than I was before.

所以这次我决定再给自己加点速，做得更快一点。

So this time I'm going to work myself up to be even to put even more fastness into this.

我觉得我会这么做。

And I think I'm going to do that.

但问题在于，调动起这些精力需要花很大的力气，对吧？

But then the problem is it takes a lot of effort to work up all that energy, right?

比如，我得拼命让自己兴奋起来。

Like, I'm going to really work myself up.

结果我却花了很多时间在思考、幻想或者试图让自己兴奋上，而实际上并没有真正开始行动。

But then I spend a lot of time thinking about or wishing I could or trying to work myself up and the working myself up isn't actually doing anything.

这并没有起到作用。

It's not being affected.

我努力让自己振作起来，但什么都没发生。

Nothing is happening as I'm trying to work myself up.

如果我不再强迫自己振作，而是直接去做那些不需要振作就能做的事情。

If I will say instead of working myself up, I'm going do the things I don't have to work myself up for.

那么事情就完成了。

Then things are done.

这才是有效的。

That's effective.

实际上这样效率更高。

That's actually more efficient.

好的。

Okay.

希望这些对你有帮助，我们下周再聊。

I hope this was helpful, and I will talk to y'all next week.

再见。

Bye.

好的。

Okay.

现在主节目结束了，我要分享一些幕后细节，讲讲为什么预购这么重要。

Now that the main podcast is over, I am going to share all the details like the behind the scenes stuff about why preorders matter so much.

所以我把这段放在九月份和十月初所有播客的结尾。

So I'm actually putting this at the end of all of my podcasts for this preorder period in September and very beginning of October.

所以你可能之前听过这段。

So it's possible you've heard this before.

如果听过，直接跳过就行。

And if you have, just skip it.

好的。

Okay.

开始吧。

Here goes.

我就不自我介绍了吧，因为如果你在这儿，那你就是自己人。

I am not going to introduce myself because if you are here, you're one of my people.

所以我要讲讲预售为什么这么重要，这些幕后的事儿。

So I am giving behind the scenes on why preorders matter.

我想先说清楚。

I just want to be clear.

我现在做的这个，不是推销。

I don't view what I'm doing right now as a sales thing.

我其实只是想跟那些已经知道自己迟早会买这本书的人聊聊。

I'm really wanting to just talk to those of you who already know that you're going to get the book eventually.

也许你读过我其他的书。

Maybe you've read my other books.

也许你听过我讲拖延症，或者你就是觉得，对，Dana懂我。

Maybe you've heard me talk about procrastination or you just you're like, no, Dana gets me.

这个话题，我想听她讲讲。

This is a subject that I want to hear from her on.

如果你已经知道这一点，我现在做的只是想帮你理解为什么我这么努力地推动预购，以及预购如何有帮助——不仅对你或对我，而且希望对那些需要被理解和尊重他们独特大脑类型的人，以及那些需要帮助的人组成的社区有帮助。

If you already know that, what I'm doing right now is just trying to help you understand why I push for pre orders so hard and how they'll be helpful, not just to you or to me, but hopefully for the community of people who exist, who need to have their unique brain type understood and honored, and they need the help.

我要解释预购是如何产生巨大影响的。

I'm going to explain how it is that preorders have a huge effect on.

一本书最终能触达多少人。

How many people a book ultimately reaches.

好的。

Okay.

行。

All right.

首先，我想明确一点，我没有妄想。

So first, I want to just be clear that I'm not delusional.

我确实可能在有些事情上妄想，但有些事情我并没有妄想。

I am I'm sure I'm delusional about some things, but these are some things I'm not delusional about.

第一，我知道。

Number one, I know.

我知道，任何一本书要拿到预售都不容易。

That getting preorders on any book is hard.

这是我的第六本书，包括那本儿童书。

This is my sixth book, including my children's book.

我知道，让拖延症患者去预订一本书，那更是难上加难。

I know that getting procrastinators to preorder a book is an extra huge challenge.

我是说，我觉得这本书就是写给我的核心读者的。

I mean, I feel like this book is written to my core audience.

所以之前每次我努力推预售的时候，我都是在跟拖延症患者说话。

So all the other times that I've been trying to get preorders, I've been talking to procrastinators.

我知道，要登上畅销榜——这个我待会儿会讲到——是非常难的一件事。

I know that hitting a bestseller list, which I'm going to talk about in this time together, is a huge reach.

真的，非常难。

Like, it is.

很可能不会发生。

Probably not gonna happen.

我知道。

I know this.

这是我的第六本书。

This is my sixth book.

我知道这其中的门道。

I know how this goes.

对吧？

Okay?

我对此并不抱有不切实际的幻想。

I'm not delusional about that.

我知道一个作者能做的都做了，预购数字可能很高。

I know that an author can do everything she can do, Can get huge preorder numbers that.

感觉完全应该上榜，但最后还是没上，真的完全没法控制。

Totally feel like they should make the list and then not make the list still, like there is literally no way to control it.

这其实是我作为作者最烦的事，就是有人跟我解释这个。

This is actually my biggest pet peeve as an author is when people try to explain that to me.

嗯，你知道的，即使你预购量很大，我知道。

Well, you know that even if you got huge preorder, I know.

我真的受不了别人跟我解释这个。

Literally can't stand it when people try to explain that to me.

我知道求着别人预购很烦人。

I know that asking or begging for preorders is annoying.

别担心。

Don't worry.

我完全知道。

I totally know.

好，我有很多话要说。

Okay, so I've got a lot of words.

这是我第二次录这个了。

This is my second time to record this.

我尽量不因为任何原因停下来。

I'm going to try not to stop for any reason.

就算我说错了，我也会继续说下去。

I'm just going to keep on going even when I mess up.

我打算说得快一点，因为上次录了三十六分钟，我觉得你不想听那么久。

I'm gonna try to go a little faster because last time it took me thirty six minutes and I don't think you want to listen for thirty six minutes.

那我们开始聊吧。

So let's talk.

拖延症患者拖延的一个原因是，我们觉得自己没有掌握所有需要的信息。

One reason that procrastinators procrastinate is because we don't feel like we have all the information that we need.

我们不是什么都懂。

We don't know everything.

我们不完全知道该怎么做这件事。

We don't know exactly how to do the thing.

我们也不完全清楚这件事为什么重要。

We don't exactly know why the thing matters.

所以我们就等着，想着，我要等到我了解更多、更明白的时候再说。

And so we wait thinking, I'm going to wait until I know and understand more.

而且很多时候，机会就从我们身边溜走了，我们根本没能做成那件事，因为我们一直没等到自己觉得懂得够多的时候，然后我们就会想，真希望我当时不管三七二十一就做了，因为很多时候，事情结束之后我们才明白。

And then a lot of times the opportunity passes us by and we don't get to do the thing at all because we never got to this point where we understood enough and then we think, I wish I would have just done it anyway, because a lot of times we understand after it's over.

所以我今天的目标就是把所有信息都告诉你们，因为我知道拖延症患者的脑子是怎么运作的，因为我就是个拖延症患者。

So that's my goal here is to give you all this information because I know how the brains of procrastinators work because I am a procrastinator.

所以我想把所有信息都给你们，这样你们就不会缺什么了。

So I want to give you all the information so that you're not lacking any.

这可不是你拖延下单或预购的原因。

That's not the reason that you procrastinate on ordering or pre ordering.

首先，让我把话说清楚。

First of all, let me just be clear.

你需要这本书吗？

Do you need this book?

如果你不需要这本书，我不希望你买。

If you do not need this book, I do not want you to buy it.

如果你买不起这本书，我也不希望你买。

If you can't afford this book, I don't want you to to buy it.

请让你的图书馆订购这本书。

Ask your library to order it.

这也是一个很大的帮助。

That's a huge way to help as well.

过去十六年，我一直在写关于整理和家庭管理的文章。

For the past sixteen years, I've been writing about decluttering and home management.

现在我在写关于拖延症的书，因为我意识到我一直在写拖延症。

Now I'm writing about procrastination because I realized I've been writing about procrastination all along.

我知道如何教人们面对令人不知所措的情况。

I know how to teach people how to face overwhelming situations.

并识别出

And identify.

他们能做什么来开始行动。

What they can do to get started.

我知道如何教人们如何坚持到底，直到完成。

I know how to teach people how to keep going until they finish.

这些都是我的专长领域。

These are my areas of expertise.

现在，我已经把这些整理成了一个反拖延流程，如果你已经了解我的无杂物整理流程。

I have now put that into a an anti procrastination process, if you already know my no mess decluttering process.

而且它对你有效的话，你会喜欢这个反拖延流程的，因为它可以应用到任何让你感到不知所措的情况，不仅仅是杂物。

And it works for you, you're going to love the anti procrastination process because it can be applied to any situation that overwhelms you, not just clutter.

好的，预购对你有什么好处呢？

Okay, how does it benefit you to preorder?

嗯，我不喜欢白白索取而不给予回报。

Well, I don't like to ask for anything without giving something in return.

所以，如果你预购的话，你会立刻通过邮件收到书的第一章。

And so if you're going to preorder, you immediately get the first chapter of the book delivered via email.

你还可以观看我与已经读完这本书的人进行的四次策略讨论，我们会讨论他们各自拖延的具体情况，我会帮助他们将我的五步反拖延流程应用到那个情况中。

You're also going to get access to four strategy sessions that I did with people who've already read the entire book, where we talk through their unique situation where they're procrastinating and I help them apply my five step anti procrastination process to that situation.

好的，你可以选择听这些讨论，或者看视频，或者阅读文字记录。

Okay, you can either listen to these or watch them on video or read the transcripts.

好的，这是你预订的另一个额外福利。

Okay, so that's another thing you get as a preorder bonus.

你还会得到的是，加入一个直播读书俱乐部，这本书一出版就会开始。

The other thing that you're gonna get is you get to be part of a live book club that will start once the book is released.

所以我们会连续四周见面，你可以提问，我们会一起讨论这本书，而且你可以在整个十月和十一月观看录播。

So for four weeks, we'll meet, you can ask questions, we'll talk through the book, and that will be available to you to watch the recordings of for the entire month of October and November.

所以一旦这些内容发布，你到十一月底之前都可以观看，而且你会有权限访问。

So like once those come out, you'll have through the end of November to watch those, and you'll have access to that.

这就是预订这本书你能得到的东西。

So that that's what you get for pre ordering.

顺便说一下，要获得这些福利的唯一方式就是填写danak.white.com/procrastinate上的表格。

Just so you know, the only way to get those things is to fill out the form at danak.white.com/procrastinate.

明白了吗？

Okay?

那些卖书给你的人，他们对这些额外福利一无所知。

The the people selling you the books, they don't know anything about these bonuses.

他们不会负责把这些东西寄给你的。

The They're not gonna be the one sending them to you.

你只有到我的页面，dannykwhite.com/procrastinate，填一下表格，告诉我们你预购了这本书，附上你的订单号，我们才会把这些东西发给你。

You're only gonna get them when you come to my page, dannykwhite.com/procrastinate, and fill out the form telling us, hey, I pre ordered this book, here's my order number, And then we'll send you those items.

那四次课程具体是什么呢？

What are those four sessions?

其中一次，我和一位女士聊了聊，她面临一个艰巨的任务，要把亲人送进养老院。

And one of them, I talk with someone who has the daunting task of moving a loved one into assisted living, an assisted living facility.

她甚至还没开始着手。

Like she hasn't even started yet.

这任务实在太庞大，让人不知所措。

Like it's just this huge daunting task that's overwhelming.

所以我们一起探讨了如何用反拖延的方法来应对，具体怎么做，以及如何着手开始。

So we talk through the anti procrastination process, what that looks like, how to get going on this task.

还有一位，她三年来一直想完成一床被子。

Another one is somebody who has been wanting to finish a quilt for three years.

我觉得我们都能感同身受，对吧？

I think we can all relate to that, right?

还有一个例子是，有人换了职业，在原来的工作单位有退休账户，需要把这些钱转到新的账户里。

Another one is someone who's changed careers and has retirement accounts at the old career and needs to move them into a new, you know, a new a new account.

然后我还和一个人聊过，她有超过三万张照片，都是人生中特别珍贵的时光，但这些照片分散在不同的硬盘和U盘里。她想把照片整理到一起，打印出来，趁儿子还愿意陪她坐着翻看这些照片的时候，给他看看。

And then I talk with someone who has over 30,000 photos from a really special time of life, and they're on different hard drives and different thumb drives, and she wants to bring them together, print them out so that she can actually show them to her son while he's still young enough to want to sit with her and look through all of these photos.

这些都是让人感到压力很大的情况。

And these are overwhelming situations.

我不是去跟她说，哦，你这样做、那样做、再这样做，就搞定了。

I am not there to say, Oh, do this, this, this, and this, and you're done.

不不不。

No, no, no.

我是去告诉她，如何把反拖延的方法应用到她的具体情况中。

I'm there to say, here's how you apply the anti procrastination process to your situation.

所以，不管你有没有遇到这些情况，你都会学会如何开始改变对拖延的看法。

So whether you have those situations or others, you're going to learn how to start changing your thinking around procrastination.

好的。

Okay.

这样你读完这本书后，就能把方法用在自己的情况上。

And so that you'll be able to apply the process to your situation when you read the book.

我为什么这么拼命推预售？

Why am I pushing so hard for preorders?

我想让你回想一下，你意识到自己在打理家务上并不孤单的那一刻。

I want you to think back to the moment when you realized you were not alone in your struggles to maintain your home.

我想让你想想，当你发现“哦，还有像我一样的人”时，那种感觉是什么样的。

I want you to think about how it felt to realize, oh, there are other people like me.

我不是唯一一个大脑这样运作的人，而且真的有希望。

I am not the only one whose brain works like this and there's actually hope.

这就是我希望发生的。

That's what I want to happen.

对于那些大脑和我们一样的人。

For people whose brains are like ours.

那些可能永远不会去搜索整理收纳信息的人，然后发现，哦，原来外面有人跟我大脑运作方式一样，但他们可能会去搜索拖延症的信息。

Who might never go looking for information on decluttering and then find, oh, there are people out there whose brains work like mine, but they will go looking for information on procrastination.

好的，所以我想把消息传出去。

Okay, so I want to get the word out.

现实是，如果我只是说，嘿，这就是我谈论拖延症的方式，那些预订播客、预订节目、在文章里写我的人，如果我只是说，嘿，我谈论进展，我谈论整理收纳的方式跟别人不一样。

The reality is that when I just say, hey, this is how I talk about procrastination, the people who are booking podcasts, booking shows, writing about me in articles and stuff, if I was just saying, hey, I talk about progress, I talk about decluttering differently than other people.

他们会说，不一样？

They'd be like, different?

哦，不一样很吓人，因为我们希望人们喜欢这个。

Oh, different is scary because we want people to like this.

那如果他们不喜欢呢？

And what if they don't like that?

因为你说的话跟别人不一样。

Because what you're saying is different.

我们知道用不同的方式谈论这些东西有多有帮助。

We know how helpful it is to talk about this stuff differently.

但那些负责宣传的人并不了解。

But the people booking publicity don't.

这会让他们感到害怕，对吧？

It makes them scared, right?

所以，能让他们意识到‘哦，这是人们想听的内容’的，是方法的成功。

So the thing that makes them realize, oh, this is something people want to hear is the success of.

对吧？

The method, right?

比如，《生活速度下的断舍离》卖出了那么多本，你们都在讨论它，还有很多人说这个方法对他们有效，这些数字和反馈给了它可信度。

Like like the fact that Decluttering at the Speed of Life has sold so many copies, the fact that y'all talk about it, the fact that we have numbers out there of people talking about this method works for me, that gives it credibility.

好的，所以我也想为拖延症建立这样的可信度。

Okay, so I want to build that for procrastination as well.

而建立可信度最好的方式，

And the very best way to build credibility.

就是登上畅销书榜单。

Is hitting a bestseller list.

这是快速建立信誉的一种方式，这样我们就能把消息传出去。

It's a way to very quickly build credibility so that we can get the word out.

畅销书排行榜。

A bestseller list.

几年前，我曾在《华尔街日报》上榜，那是一个奇怪的星期，我的电子书卖疯了，他们有一个专门针对电子书的榜单。

I've hit The Wall Street Journal years ago on some random weird week when my ebook ebook sold like crazy and they had a list that actually went for that ebooks.

我想我也上过《出版商周刊》，可能因为《为其余的人整理》那本书。

And I think I've hit Publishers Weekly, maybe for organizing for the rest of us.

但我们都知道那个最大的榜单是什么，就是《纽约时报》畅销书排行榜。

But we all know what the big list is, The New York Times best seller list.

再说一次，我不是妄想。

Again, I'm not delusional.

我不是妄想。

I'm not delusional.

但如果我们不谈论它，你就不会知道。

But also, if we don't talk about it, then you don't know.

哦，这样看来这还挺有用的。

Oh, that's how this could be beneficial.

登上《纽约时报》畅销书排行榜，自然就增加了可信度。

Hitting The New York Times best seller list automatically lends credibility.

任何畅销书排行榜都有用，但那个榜单特别有分量。

Any bestseller list, but specifically that one.

跟你说实话，我很难把“畅销书”这三个字说出口。

It's really hard for me to say bestseller, just so you know.

那个榜单会自动吸引那些人的注意，他们会想，我们需要一个拖延症专家来谈谈这个问题。

That list automatically catches the attention of people who are like, we need a procrastination expert to talk about this.

哦，这个人写了一本关于拖延症的书，还上了榜。

Oh, this person has a book about procrastination that has hit the list.

他们看到这个，自然就知道这是人们想听的话题。

They see that and they automatically know this is a subject people want to hear about.

而且这个人就是他们想听的对象。

And this is a person who they want to hear it from.

这种自动获得的信誉在传播信息方面非常有价值，能让更多人知道还有希望。

That automatic credibility is incredibly valuable in spreading the word so that more people know there is hope.

哦，原来有办法顺着大脑的节奏来，而不是跟它对着干。

Oh, there is a way to work with my brain instead of against it.

那书是怎么登上畅销榜的呢？

So how does a book hit the best seller list?

这里有个大家不明白、我以前也不懂的事情。

Here's the thing people don't understand that I didn't used to understand.

大多数人都不懂。

Most people don't understand.

畅销榜其实是根据一周的销量来定的。

Best seller lists are based on one week's worth of sales.

累计销量多少并不重要。

Cumulative sales over time do not matter.

就是一周内集中爆发的那一波销量。

It is one rush gush of sales in one week.

畅销榜就是根据这个来的。

That is what the seller lists are based on.

好的。

Okay.

这就是为什么预售这么重要。

The reason pre orders matter so much.

因为，你知道，我们是在书出版前一个月讨论这个的。

Is that, you know, we're talking about this a month before the book comes out.

这本书的每一笔预售。

Every preorder that this book has.

因为书还没真正出版，这些预售都会算作书出版后第一周的销量。

Because the book hasn't actually come out yet, those preorders count as sales for the first week that the book comes out.

所以这是一种在第一周就获得巨大销量的方法，这样就有可能登上畅销榜。

So it's a way to get a huge number for that first week, which then gives the possibility that it could hit a best seller list.

明白了吗？

Okay?

累计销量其实不重要。

Cumulative sales don't matter.

《生活速度下的整理术》八年卖了超过五十万本。

Decluttering at the Speed of Life has sold over half a million copies in eight years.

我直接告诉你吧，很多上过《纽约时报》畅销榜的书，整个生命周期都卖不到五十万本。

I'm just going to tell you a lot of books that have hit The New York Times best seller list have not and will not sell 500,000 copies in their lifetime.

这个数字跟黄金的提奥比起来，确实是个很大的销量。

That is a huge number of copies, compared to Theo of Golden.

但对一本书来说，这确实是个很大的销量。

But like it is a huge number of sales for a book.

不过对真正的榜单来说，这并不重要。

But it doesn't matter for an actual list.

而那本书从来没上过《纽约时报》畅销榜，因为它从来没有在单周内卖出很大的量。

And that book has never hit The New York Times bestseller list because it's never sold a huge number in one single week.

明白吧。

Okay.

所以，它就没有那种自动的权威性，就是那种“纽约时报畅销书”的标签能带来的东西。

So therefore, it doesn't have the automatic credibility that the little this is a New York Times bestseller would give it.

好。

Okay.

所以这就是为什么我们这么拼命推预售，因为那是唯一能在第一周带来大量销售的办法。

So that's why we push so hard for pre orders, because that is the only way to get a big rush of sales in that first week.

好，这样一旦上了榜单，它自然就能触达更多人，因为它在榜上，所以就有潜力在接下来的几周继续卖得更多。

Okay, which gives it the chance once it's on the list, it automatically reaches more people because it's on the list and therefore has the potential to continue selling more in future weeks.

但这就是作者们推预售的原因。

But that's the way that's the reason that authors push preorders.

好，另一个原因，也是最基本的原因，我们推预售是因为。

Okay, the other reason, the most basic reason why we push preorders is that.

预售数字。

Preorder numbers.

是书商和出版商用来决定店里放多少书、印多少书的依据。

Are the things that booksellers and publishers use to decide how many books to put in their stores and how many books to print.

就像那样。

Like that.

这是最基本的原因。

That's the most basic reason.

是的，我们当然希望能上榜，但同时也想表明人们关心这个话题，并且想听这位作者讲。

Yes, we would love to hit a list, but also showing that people care about this subject matter and want to hear about it from this author.

这决定了有多少书会进入印刷流程，而且它们必须经过印刷，还得被书店订购，这样书才能获得势头，接触到更多人。

That is what determines how many books even go through the printing process and they have to go through the printing process to and they have to be ordered by bookstores to then be available for the book to gain momentum and reach more people.

好的，所以这就是他们必须考虑的事情。

Okay, so that's what they have to look at.

他们有实际的预购数字可以参考。

They have actual preorder numbers to look at.

他们不是在猜测。

They're not guessing.

这是生意。

This is business.

这也是一个容量的问题。

It's also the container concept.

书店的货架空间有限，他们会把最看好的书放上去，这不仅仅是凭感觉，而是根据实际数据，看哪些书人们真的会买。

They only have so much room on their shelves and they are going to put the things on their shelves that they most believe, not just in their heart, but actually according to numbers, are going to be the books that people are actually going to buy.

所以，这也是预售如此重要的另一个原因。

Okay, so that's another reason that preorders are so important.

对。

Okay.

而且，只要一周的销量，就能永远成为《纽约时报》畅销书作家。

Also, it only takes one week to be a New York Times best selling author forever.

所以我们才这么重视预售，就是为了第一周的销量。

That's why we push so much into these pre orders is for that first week of sales.

明白。

Okay.

那我们的目标销量是多少？

So what numbers are we going for?

数字是故意模糊的。

Numbers are ambiguous on purpose.

目的是不让任何人钻空子。

The goal is that nobody game the system.

我不想钻空子。

I don't want to game the system.

如果你不需要这本书，请不要买。

Please don't buy this book if you don't need it.

明白吗？

Okay?

但我们知道的数字是多少呢？

But what are the numbers that we know?

以前他们说是七千。

They used to say 7,000.

现在有时候我听到一万。

I now sometimes hear 10,000.

但实际上，真的没法知道具体数字，因为这取决于那周还有哪些新书上市，以及那些老书那周卖得怎么样。

But realistically, there's not any way to know because it depends on what other books come out that week, how well other books that have existed for a long time do that week.

真的不是你能知道确切数字的事情。

It really is not something that you can know an exact number.

但我们心里大概有个数，比如，如果我想有机会上榜，我至少得瞄准第一周卖出至少一万本。

But we have a general number in our head of like, okay, if I'm going to have a chance, I need to aim for at least 10,000 at the very least to be sold in that first week.

明白吗？

Okay?

另外要知道的是，纽约时报的畅销书榜单是经过精心挑选的。

Other thing to know is that specifically the New York Times bestseller list is curated.

书必须卖出相当可观的数字才能被考虑，但最终，就算你卖了几百万本，也可能上不了榜，因为这是一个由编辑挑选书籍的榜单。

Books have to sell an impressive number of books to even be considered, but ultimately, you could sell bajillions of books and not be on the list because it is a list where the books are picked to be on there.

它们必须赢得自己的位置，但这是一个经过策划的榜单。

They have to earn their place, but it is a curated list.

明白吗？

Okay?

就是这么运作的。

That's how this works.

我也知道，因为我从来没上过那个榜单，而且我作为一个出了很多书的作者，也不在他们关注的作者名单上。

I also know that because I have never hit the list before, and I'm an author who has a lot of books out there, that I'm not on their Authors to Watch list.

如果你去谷歌搜索2026年10月即将出版的精彩非虚构类书籍，我的名字不会出现在上面。

If you Google exciting non fiction books coming out in October 2026, my name is not going be on there.

对你来说可能很精彩，但外界并没有关注到。

It might be exciting to you, but it does not have the attention out there.

所以我们必须卖出非常惊人的数量，才能有机会。

So we have to have a very impressive number of books to even have a chance.

再说一次，我并没有期待能上榜，但我至少得试试。

Again, I'm not expecting to hit it, but I got to at least try.

好的。

All right.

接下来，我要告诉你我认为自己最大的挑战是什么，说实话。

And then I'm gonna tell you about what I think is my biggest challenge, honestly.

我不是在抱怨，而且我也不会改变任何事。

And I'm not complaining, and I would not change anything.

我会再做一次我接下来要告诉你的事，我觉得正是这件事导致了最大的挑战。

I would do again what I'm about to tell you is the thing that I did that has caused this biggest challenge, I believe.

我上一本书是我最用心写的一本。

My last book was the book of my heart.

书名是《耶稣不在乎你乱糟糟的家》。

It was Jesus doesn't care about your messy house.

这本书是精神层面的，我知道这可能会对我的职业生涯产生负面影响，因为我的职业生涯是建立在非精神层面的内容上的。

It was spiritually focused, and I knew that that could have a negative effect on my career because my career is built on not spiritually focused content.

所以我在写的时候就知道这可能会对我的职业生涯不利。

So I went into it knowing this could negatively affect my career.

说实话，直到大约六个月前，我还觉得，我不认为它对我的职业生涯有负面影响。

Honestly, I would say until about six months ago, I was like, I don't think it's negatively affected my career.

大家对此都很支持，真的。

Like, I don't People have been really great about it.

读过这本书的人反响都很好。

It's had a great reception from the people who've read it.

销量不算特别好，但这也在我的意料之中。

It hasn't sold that great, but that's what I expected.

然后我意识到，它对我的职业生涯的负面影响在于，书店和出版商决定印多少本的时候。

And then I realized, oh, this is how it negatively affects my career is that bookstores and honestly, publishers choosing how many they're going to print.

他们最看重的就是。

The most logical thing for them to look at.

我上一本书的销售数字。

Is the sales numbers from my last book.

他们会想，嗯，她上一本书卖了多少本，我们就按这个数字来决定下一本书印多少，或者书店会订多少本来上架。

Like, well, this is how many people bought her last book, so those are the numbers that we have to go on for how many to print or how many booksellers are going to order for the next book to keep in their store.

但那本书只吸引了我读者中很小的一部分。

But that book only appealed to a very small fraction of my audience.

我知道这本书。

I know that this book.

这本书就是为每一个说过‘她的思维方式和我一样’的人写的。

Is literally for every single person who has said her brain works like mine.

你需要让拖延症患者把事情做完。

You need procrastinators get stuff done.

如果你觉得，当你听我说话、听到我的声音或者读我的书的时候。

If you think that when you listen to me or you hear me or you read my books.

但纸上的数字并不能反映这一点。

But the numbers on the paper don't show that.

所以这是一个合理的挑战。

So that's a legitimate challenge.

一个我能接受的挑战。

One that I am fine with.

但这意味着我需要大量的预售数字来对抗这一点。

But it means I need major preorder numbers to fight that.

让书店那些人注意到。

To make people bookstores things take notice.

事情就是这样。

It just is what it is.

好的。

Okay.

我一点也不会改变什么。

Wouldn't change a thing.

好的。

Okay.

那我们来聊聊这本书成功的话怎么帮到你，因为，对，就是你。

So let's talk about how this book being successful would help you because yeah, You.

就是说，你想帮你自己。

Like, you wanted to help you.

好的。

Okay.

我希望你想想，被理解在你自己的改变过程中占了多大分量，不只是那种“哦，她懂我”的感觉，还有那种“哦，她真的懂我”的感觉。

I want you to think about how much being understood was part of your own Change process, like not only seeing, oh, she understands me, but also, oh, she understands me.

还有成千上万的人说，他们的大脑运作方式和她描述的一样。

And there are thousands of other people saying that their brain works the way that she says her brain works.

然后你开始觉得，哦，我不是有问题的。

And you start to feel like, oh, I'm not broken.

我不是一个人。

I'm not alone.

好的，对。

Okay, yeah.

这就是我希望发生的。

That's what I want to happen.

关于拖延症这个话题，我会讲很多，书里确实讲了很多关于我们大脑如何运作，以及我们擅长的事情如何有时会适得其反，导致拖延并引发问题。

On this subject of procrastination, I'm going to talk a lot, I do talk a lot in the book about how our brain works and how the things we're great at and how that sometimes ends up backfiring into procrastination and causing problems.

所以，

So that.

这就是我想提供的，围绕拖延症建立一个社区和一种语言，这样我们就不必觉得脑子里发生的这些事情是孤立的。

Is what I want to provide to create a community and create a language around procrastination to where we don't have to feel like this stuff that goes on in my head.

不，让我们把那个也纳入讨论。

No, let's make that part of the conversation.

如果这本书能火起来，得到它应得的关注。

If this book could take off and get the traction that it I believe it deserves.

那就能帮助更多的人。

It could help so many more people.

现在，我们来聊聊一些具体细节。

Now, let's get into some nitty gritty here.

在哪里下单有关系吗？

Does it matter where you order?

有也没有。

Yes and no.

好的，我希望你在方便的地方下单。

Okay, I want you to order wherever it works for you.

对，就像你平时买书的地方，我希望你在那里下单。

Okay, like wherever you already buy books, that's where I want you to order.

但如果你在想，我可以从大家都买书的地方订，也可以从小书店订，那就选小书店吧，因为这样能帮到他们，我们也想这么做。

But if you are like, I could order it from the place where everybody orders or I could order it from the smaller bookseller, choose the smaller one just because that's going to help them and we want to do that.

而且这也是大家比较看重的一种多样性。

But also it is something that is looked for like variety.

我们不想——他们在盯着，确保没人想钻空子。

We don't want to they're watching to make sure that nobody's trying to game the system.

所以从你想订的地方订就行。

So order from the place you want to order.

但如果要在两个地方之间选，那就选一个稍微特别一点的地方。

But if it's a choice between two, go with the one that's gonna be a little more unique of a place to order.

但别因为这个就不订了。

But don't let that hold you back from ordering.

我宁愿你从最方便的地方订，也不要想着“我得选最理想的”，结果最后连预售都没订。

I would rather you order from the place that's easiest than think, oh, I need to do the most ideal thing and then not actually preorder.

这些你会在书里了解到的。

You'll learn about that in the book.

好的。

Okay.

订购的格式有影响吗？

Does it matter what format you order?

这个我其实不太想说。

This is the one that I actually hate to say.

先说清楚，不管你订什么格式，都能拿到预购奖励，而且任何格式的预购都有帮助。

Just to be clear, you will get the preorder bonuses for any format that you order and any format that you preorder is helpful.

确实是这样。

It is.

但格式真的有影响吗？

But does it matter which format?

确实有影响。

It actually does.

大多数畅销书榜单是根据实体书来计算的。

Best seller lists, the majority of them are based on physical copies.

而且，实体书的预购数量会影响书店的进货量。

Also, physical copies being preordered is what affects how many get put in bookstores.

实体书的预购数量会影响印刷量。

Physical copies being preordered affects how many are printed.

实体书对出版商和书店来说风险最大。

Physical copies are the riskiest ones for the publisher and for the booksellers.

所以预购实体书能给他们信心去承担这个风险。

So preordering physical copies is what gives them that confidence to take that risk.

所以如果你只听有声书，那就订有声书。

So if you only listen to audiobooks, order the audiobook.

如果你只用电子阅读器看书，我很喜欢我的电子阅读器。

If you only read on your e reader, I love my e reader.

那就订电子版。

Order the digital copy.

但如果你和很多人一样，告诉我你最终会三种格式都买，因为你喜欢听书，想随身携带，还想做标记，那么如果你知道自己最终肯定会买实体书，我希望你能预购实体书，因为那会很有帮助。

But if you are one of the many people who tell me that you ultimately order all three formats because you like to be able to listen to it, you wanna have it on the go, and you wanna be able to mark it out, then I would ask if you know you're already gonna eventually order the physical copy, I would ask that you preorder the physical copy because that is helpful.

好，那我们来说说，我知道我快讲到二十六分钟了。

Okay, so let's talk I know I'm getting to twenty six minutes here.

也许就是这样吧。

Maybe it is what it is.

我其他的书离登上畅销榜有多近？

How close have my other books gotten to hitting a bestseller list?

我想从另一个角度来看这件事。

I wanna do this as a perspective.

好吗？

Okay?

因为我知道当人们说，哦，她在YouTube上有将近25万粉丝或订阅者。

Because I know that when people say, oh, she's got almost 250,000 followers on subscribers on YouTube.

我敢打赌那些人中有一半会预购她的书。

I'll bet you half of those people preorder her book.

不。

No.

如果有一半的人预购我的书，那我肯定能打破各种纪录。

If half of those people preordered my book, I would break all kinds of records.

但实际有多少人呢？

But how many do?

只有很小很小的一部分。

A very tiny fraction of that.

所以我会尽量告诉你我的真实数据，因为我也不是完全清楚精确的数字。

So I'm going to tell you what my numbers are as best as I know because I don't know exact and perfect.

但根据我能看到的信息和出版社告诉我的情况，这就是我其他书的实体书在预购和第一周内的订购量，而实体书对畅销榜的影响最大。

But from the things that I'm able to see and what publishers are able to tell me, this is how many physical copies, which is the thing that has the most effect on bestseller lists, physical copies of my other books were either pre ordered or ordered in the first week.

所以这是一周的销量，而这一周的数据对榜单来说才是关键。

So this was one week's worth of sales, which is the thing that matters for the lists.

这是最大的一周销量，因为包含了预购和之前几本书第一周的销量。

The biggest one week worth of sales because it was the preorder plus the first week of my previous books.

《如何管理你的家而不崩溃》是2016年出版的。

How to manage your home without losing your mind came out in 2016.

那是我第一本书。

That was my first book.

我预售了970本纸质书。

I had nine seventy pre orders of physical copies.

《生活速度下的断舍离》在2018年出版，大约一年半之后。

Decluttering at the Speed of Life came out in 2018, about a year and a half later.

那本书的纸质版订购了2167本。

That one had 2,167 copies of physical copies ordered of that.

《为我们其余的人整理》，这本书人们倾向于买纸质版，因为里面有很多图片。

Organizing for the rest of us, which is one that people tend to want to get in physical because it has a lot of pictures in it.

那本书的纸质版在首周预售或订购了3200本。

3,200 physical copies of that book were pre ordered or ordered in the first week.

然后是《耶稣不在乎你乱糟糟的房子》。

And then Jesus Doesn't Care About Your Messy House.

1711本。

1,711.

这就是我们面临的挑战。

That's that's what we're up against.

我们需要卖出。

We would need to sell.

五倍的数量。

Five times as many.

我们需要有预售或者首周的销量。

We would need to have pre orders or first week of sales.

五倍于。

Five times as many for.

我们《生活速度下的整理》那本书的销量。

As we did with decluttering at the speed of life.

才有可能冲击大榜单。

To even have a chance of hitting a big list.

好的。

Okay.

我知道这是个很大的目标。

I know it's a huge goal.

我知道这不太现实。

I know it's not super realistic.

不过，我还是会问，因为这就是我们在这里的目的，而且你还在听。

However, I'm gonna ask because that's what we're here doing and you're still listening.

所以我不妨问问，对吧？

So I might as well, right?

就是看看，如果我的YouTube订阅者中有4%预购了，我们就有机会。

Just see that like if 4% of my YouTube subscribers pre ordered we'd have a chance.

或者，如果买过《生活速度的整理》的人中有2%预购了实体书。

Or if 2% of the people who have gotten a copy of Decluttering at the Speed of Life pre ordered a physical copy.

我们就能做到。

We could do it.

好，我还有几句话要说。

Okay, I have a few more words.